Incest

huruf

Salamun Alaikum.

The question of incest only arises if we take Adam as an individual human rather than the whole humanity. The story of our ancestors committing incest in order to re-produce is an ancient tale common to Christianity and Islam and probably other world religions as well. But as we know from The Qur'an the law or sunnatullah never changed so therefore the theory of incest is invalid, unless of course you believe that Allah amends his own laws? If we reflect on a Qur'an verse re Adam and his mate as individual beings, then why would Allah use a plural to order them to go down/to descent if it was only Adam and his mate? As Qur'an 338 tells us " We said "Get ye down all from here; and if, as is sure, there comes to you Guidance from me, whosoever follows My guidance, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve".

Peace

almarh0m

Thaat seems quite right to me.

Salaam

Mo_the_Fish

The mainstream understanding of the story of Adam and his wife is that they had children and their children then married each other and that is how humanity began.

This is not the case.
Adam and Eve begat Cain and Able. Cain slew Able. He found a wife beyond Eden. No incest was implied.

huruf

Nothing of that comes from Qur'an.

Salaam

Invalid777

This is not the case.
Adam and Eve begat Cain and Able. Cain slew Able. He found a wife beyond Eden. No incest was implied.

I have not heard of this story before. So where exactly did this wife come from? Did she pop out of nowhere? Was she human?

reel

Okay, something new came in my head. Normally, when God says he made man from earth the matrix conditions us to see it like this
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The verse that makes us think like that
when your Lord said to the angels, "Indeed, I am going to create a human being from clay.So when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of My soul, then fall down to him in prostration 3871-72

Now when we go deeper we get the following verses

Who perfected everything which He created and began the creation of man from clay.Then He made his posterity out of the extract of a liquid disdained.327-8

And Allah has caused you to grow from the earth a growth.7117

The entire clay thing when connected to evolution makes sense.

But since nowhere in Quran, Allah says Adam was the first human, we need not worry about the incest. That's how I see it now.

Yosemite

this seems only an issue to those who believe in the sectarian tales

almarh0m

Salamun Alaikum

" Behold, thy Lord said to the angels "I will create a vicegerent on earth." They said "Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?" He said "I know what ye know not." (230)

" They said "Glory to Thee, of knowledge We have none, save what Thou Hast taught us In truth it is Thou Who art perfect in knowledge and wisdom." ( 232).

Some people wondered how did the malaika know that humans are going to shed blood on earth? The answer is right there in verse 2;32 namely that Allah taught it to them, the malaika cannot know anything that has not been taught to them by Allah just as Adam was taught names of things. To think that the malaika would know something before Allah is just not logical.

Our problem lies in our own faulty reasoning that Adam was the first man and only from him and his mate that we are here today. There is nowhere in the Qur'an did a verse say that our ancestors only created in one geographical location, nor is it reasonable to assume that Adam and his mate were the only human to start the human race. It is highly likely that there were many others Adams and their mates in various parts of Allah's spacious earth. And to prove that, all we need to do is look at the verses which tell Adam and his mate to descent to earth altogether instead of using "both of you". Also by observing the different races and features of humanity that we see everyday. Here are some of those verses;

" Then did Satan make them slip from the (garden), and get them out of the state (of felicity) in which they had been. We said "Get ye down, all (ye people), with enmity between yourselves. On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood - for a time."(236).

"We said "Get ye down all from here; and if, as is sure, there comes to you Guidance from me, whosoever follows My guidance, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve". (23

"(Allah) said "Get ye down. With enmity between yourselves. On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood,- for a time." (724)

"He said "Get ye down, - all together, from the Garden, with enmity one to another but if, as is sure, there comes to you Guidance from Me, whosoever follows My Guidance, will not lose his way, nor fall into misery".( 20123).

If we were to think that the creation of human only took place in one geographic location and with a pair of male and female then we would have accept that the evolutionary process took a much longer time span than commonly thought. Just think of the time it needs to produce children and rear them in one place on earth and for them to travel to corners of the earth to populate it? Think of other creations such as flora and fauna, if they were created in on place only, how would the plants travel to all part of the earth? The answer is Allah created them in many places on earth simultaneously. To stick with the incest tale is to defy logic and to deny the truth from our Lord which he sent to us through the Qur'an and our faculty of reasoning + our common sense.

May Allah increase our knowledge.

Peace
almarh0m

Jafar

Some people wondered how did the malaika know that humans are going to shed blood on earth? The answer is right there in verse 2;32 namely that Allah taught it to them, the malaika cannot know anything that has not been taught to them by Allah just as Adam was taught names of things. To think that the malaika would know something before Allah is just not logical.

Our problem lies in our own faulty reasoning that Adam was the first man and only from him and his mate that we are here today. There is nowhere in the Qur'an did a verse say that our ancestors only created in one geographical location, nor is it reasonable to assume that Adam and his mate were the only human to start the human race. It is highly likely that there were many others Adams and their mates in various parts of Allah's spacious earth. And to prove that, all we need to do is look at the verses which tell Adam and his mate to descent to earth altogether instead of using "both of you". Also by observing the different races and features of humanity that we see everyday. Here are some of those verses;

" Then did Satan make them slip from the (garden), and get them out of the state (of felicity) in which they had been. We said "Get ye down, all (ye people), with enmity between yourselves. On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood - for a time."(236).

"We said "Get ye down all from here; and if, as is sure, there comes to you Guidance from me, whosoever follows My guidance, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve". (23

"(Allah) said "Get ye down. With enmity between yourselves. On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood,- for a time." (724)

"He said "Get ye down, - all together, from the Garden, with enmity one to another but if, as is sure, there comes to you Guidance from Me, whosoever follows My Guidance, will not lose his way, nor fall into misery".( 20123).

If we were to think that the creation of human only took place in one geographic location and with a pair of male and female then we would have accept that the evolutionary process took a much longer time span than commonly thought. Just think of the time it needs to produce children and rear them in one place on earth and for them to travel to corners of the earth to populate it? Think of other creations such as flora and fauna, if they were created in on place only, how would the plants travel to all part of the earth? The answer is Allah created them in many places on earth simultaneously. To stick with the incest tale is to defy logic and to deny the truth from our Lord which he sent to us through the Qur'an and our faculty of reasoning + our common sense.

Assuming the above verses is factually true.. (With no metaphor injected into the story)

Then the "Malaka" must be an earlier sentient being compared to human..
They can see and understand that the species of which "Adam" belongs to has the habits of being aggressive and killing each others in a conflict.
A consistent observation to the habits of (even today) human and earlier hominid. (as they're naturally a hunter / predator)

Perhaps the Malaka was questioning why choose among the aggressive hominid and not the peaceful and vegetarian Bonobo?

This "Adam" was told to master the art of "naming" which basically associating a concept or thing with an audio / sound symbol.
The entire objective of "naming" is to make COMMUNICATION through exchange of sound easier towards one another.
This implies that this "Adam" was not alone.. there are "others of his kind" where he practices the art of exchanging audio / sound symbol for exchanging thought or idea.

The "Malaka" might not know the "audio / sound symbol" of thing or concept...
It's not because the "Malaka" are stupid being..
It's because THEY DON'T NEED TO..
The means of communication among Malaka is not through exchange of audio / sound symbol.
Perhaps it's through "Telepathy"..

If Human does have the natural ability of "telepathy" then they don't need to know the audio / sound symbol of things either..
As Telepathy is a much clearer and better way of communication, compared to exchanging audio / sound symbol with each others (a.k.a languages)

As of now we have evidence of something named as "Mitochondrial Eve" through tracing of DNA of people living today.
Mitochondrial Eve is the matrilineal most recent common ancestor (MRCA), in a direct, unbroken, maternal line, of all currently living humans.
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve

Definitely she was not living alone... there are others of her kind..
She has mom and dad too...

HP_TECH

Assuming the above verses is factually true.. (With no metaphor injected into the story)

Then the "Malaka" must be an earlier sentient being compared to human..
They can see and understand that the species of which "Adam" belongs to has the habits of being aggressive and killing each others in a conflict.
A consistent observation to the habits of (even today) human and earlier hominid. (as they're naturally a hunter / predator)

Perhaps the Malaka was questioning why choose among the aggressive hominid and not the peaceful and vegetarian Bonobo?

This "Adam" was told to master the art of "naming" which basically associating a concept or thing with an audio / sound symbol.
The entire objective of "naming" is to make COMMUNICATION through exchange of sound easier towards one another.
This implies that this "Adam" was not alone.. there are "others of his kind" where he practices the art of exchanging audio / sound symbol for exchanging thought or idea.

The "Malaka" might not know the "audio / sound symbol" of thing or concept...
It's not because the "Malaka" are stupid being..
It's because THEY DON'T NEED TO..
The means of communication among Malaka is not through exchange of audio / sound symbol.
Perhaps it's through "Telepathy"..

If Human does have the natural ability of "telepathy" then they don't need to know the audio / sound symbol of things either..
As Telepathy is a much clearer and better way of communication, compared to exchanging audio / sound symbol with each others (a.k.a languages)

As of now we have evidence of something named as "Mitochondrial Eve" through tracing of DNA of people living today.
Mitochondrial Eve is the matrilineal most recent common ancestor (MRCA), in a direct, unbroken, maternal line, of all currently living humans.
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve

Definitely she was not living alone... there are others of her kind..
She has mom and dad too...

What we are doing now can be considered telepathy. Or are you hearing sounds from our words?
Totally irrelevant to the OP though I think.
Bonobo really?
I think All we are doing here is speculating aimlessly.

I think the OP is not seeking for consultation from the community on a matter.
The OP is seeking to propagate doubt.
The Way of Allah does not change and there are no contradictions in His Words.
Which means it has not reached you in knowledge what has reached others.

I would recommend for the OP to seek to better grasp this topic on his own through thorough reading from A to Z if this is a true concern of his and seek increase in knowledge from Allah through patience and prayer.

Because I do not believe the OP is contemplating marrying his siblings or anything of the sort.

These kind of questions are not relevant to the improvement of the community but rather is a form of entertaining doubt and inventing conjecture.

Just accept the fact that we were not there and we might not at this present state understand completely what occurred before but in truth the answer is there for those men of understanding.

The reason why the Angels knew or how we spread are not an obstacle for your maintaining of the salat and giving of the zakat.

So do not ask that which if you ask would trouble you before that the Quran is recited.

reel

this seems only an issue to those who believe in the sectarian tales

Problem is that even bible endorses such tales. It is popular worldwide. On the top of that scientists have not found all the missing links. The two can leave us in dilemma. The credibility also suffers from certain myths people take up in the name evolution. There you go

Busted! Gender Myths in the Bedroom & Beyond
http//www.livescience.com/16594-busted-gender-myths-bedroom.html
Examples from the link

Men want "sexy," women want "status"
Men want many sex partners, women want far fewer
Men think about sex more than women do
Women have far fewer orgasms than men do
Men like casual sex more than women do
Women are pickier than men