IS EARTH STATIONARY/FIXED?
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peace hk,
The only hitch in this verse is that TAQUM is one among the signs of Allah which according to you the verse is in future tense.
No. In my previous reply, I offered a rendition which is present tense. However, prior to that I said it could be interpreted several ways, one example being future tense.
Some thing in future cannot be a sign for mankind.
What about signs that discuss the end times, j-day, after we die, prophecies, etc - or do they not exist in Quran?
Your two statements below are not compatible
The later part of the verse have absolutely no connection with the former part. There is zero message of the verse.
Absolute statement, implying definitive understanding of verse.
Vs.
I could not understand anything what Allah wants to convey in this verse.
Implying no understanding of verse.
Now I disagree even with swerve/deviate because the heavens are a canopy/ceiling therefore they do not have any course so that they deviate/swerve.
Perhaps you can clarify, as per Quran, what you are referring to by "heavens"?
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Peace
I have come across three verses in the Quran which says that the earth is stationary/fixed. This is by no means that I want to prove that the earth is stationary but want to understand the deeper meaning of the verses.
Lo! Allah graspeth the heavens and the earth that they deviate not, and if they were to deviate there is not one that could grasp them after Him. Lo! He is ever Clement, Forgiving 3541 (Pickthall)
Zay-Waw-Lam = it went away, passed away, departed/removed/shifted, ceased to exist, came to naught, become remote, to turn/swerve, quit, motion/commotion.
Zaalataa (prf. 3rd p.f. dual.) They twain swerve away, come to naught
Tazuula (prf. 3rd p.f. sing.) She swerves away, comes to naught
Tazuulaa Swerve away, come to naught
Zawaal (v.n.) Fall; Passing away (LANES LEXICON)And among His Signs is this, that heaven and earth stand by His Command then when He calls you, by a single call, from the earth, behold, ye (straightway) come forth 3025
STAND to stop or remain motionless or steady on the feet a cessation of motion halt or stop.
Qaf-Ra-Ra = to be or become cool, remain quiet, be steadfast, be firm, refresh, be stable, be firm, receive satisfy, affirm, agree, settle, last. qarar - stability, a fixed or secure place, depository, place ahead. qurratun - coolness, delight. aqarra (vb. 4) - to confirm, cause to rest or remain. istaqarra (vb. 10) - to remain firm. mustaqirrun - that which remains firmly fixed or confirmed, in hiding, is lasting, which certainly comes to pass, which is settled in its being/goal/purpose. mustaqar - firmly fixed/established, sojourn, abode. qurratun - coolness, refreshment, source of joy and comfort. qawarir (pl. of qaruratun) - glasses, crystals. LANES LEXICON)
Is not He (best) Who made the earth fixed place and placed rivers in the folds thereof, and placed firm hills therein, and hath set a barrier between the two seas? Is there any Allah beside Allah? Nay, but most of them know not! (An-Naml 61)
Allah it is Who appointed for you the earth a dwelling-place and the sky for a canopy, and fashioned you and perfected your shapes, and hath provided you with good things. Such is Allah, your Lord. Then blessed be Allah, the Lord of the Worlds! (Ghaafir 64)
Is the translation correct? Does the verses convey the message that the earth is stationary? YOUR HELP IS NEEDED.
Salaam,
Thank you very much brother for bringing up this topic and aayaat in relation bravo
As per 3541 if this earth is stable then all the skies are also stable.To me Qaaf-Ra-Ra means rest/stay. Please take a look at 225.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
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I see that it says that we should recognize that our world is not just a random heap of molecules that exists by itself. I see that it says that we should acknowledge the governing power of the world. We should see a deliberate design.
Peace brother,
Absolutely! bravo
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
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Peace Wakas
Perhaps you can clarify, as per Quran, what you are referring to by "heavens"?
Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? (Al-Anbiyaa 30)
who created seven heavens in layers. You do not see in the creation of the Most Merciful any inconsistency. So return vision ; do you see any breaks? (Al-Mulk 3)
It is Allah who erected the heavens without pillars that you see; then He established Himself above the Throne and made subject the sun and the moon, each running for a specified term. He arranges matter; He details the signs that you may, of the meeting with your Lord, be certain. (Ar-Ra'd 2)
And We have made the heaven a roof, safe/guarded, and from the signs there of they are averters 2132
And assuredly We have bedecked the nearest heaven with lamps, and We have made them missiles for satans and for them We have gotten ready the torment of the Blaze 675
Then He decreed them as seven heavens in two days, and revealed Unto each heaven the command thereof; and We bedecked the nether heaven with lamps and placed therein a guard. That is the ordinance of the Mighty, the Knower 4112
And We have placed in the heaven great stars and have beautified it for the observers. (Al-Hijr 16)
Blessed is He who has placed in the heaven great stars and placed therein a lamp and luminous moon. (Al-Furqaan 61)
To Allah belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth. Whether you show what is within yourselves or conceal it, Allah will bring you to account for it. Then He will forgive whom He wills and punish whom He wills, and Allah is over all things competent. (Al-Baqara 284)
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Peace,
These verses about the heavens, sometimes known as the "firmament" look like they fit perfectly when applied to the Concave Earth theory.
It is often times confused with the Flat Earth and the Hollow Earth theories which are much different.
Below is a video of the model.-MG
https//youtu.be/wC79vDkb-1c
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Indeed, Earth does not "spin" around itself while whirling/revolving roundabout helios, a "giant fire ball" (400 times its scale) ~ neither in the Qurn (Divine Guidance), nor in Reality (Sense Experience) ! It's the sun/moon luminaries and stars that move/circulate above us in the heavens, each hovering about a fulcrum ? The earth (QA ) is at rest.
?Let ?imagination? picture to the mind what force air would have which was set in motion by a spherical body of 8,000 miles in diameter, which in one hour was spinning round 1,000 mph, rushing through space at 65,000 mph and gyrating across the heavens? Then let ?conjecture? endeavor to discover whether the inhabitants on such a globe could keep their hair on?
If the earth-globe rotates on its axis at the terrific rate of 1,000 miles an hour, such an immense mass would of necessity cause a tremendous rush of wind in the space it occupied. The wind would go all one way, and anything like clouds which got ?within the sphere of influence? of the rotating sphere, would have to go the same way. The fact that the earth is at rest is proved by kite flying.?
Thomas Winships
Did i mention Earth's perfectly observable and measurable FLATness ?
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Hi,
From "the quran" we can also learn that the roof of the earth has a lot of doors and when those doors are opened water falls down, evidence
5411 So We opened the doors of the sky with pouring water.Oh and the earth has eyes yes evidence
5412 And We caused eyes to gush out of the earth. Thus the waters met to a command which had been measured.Quran confirms this all yes
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Qaf-Ra-Ra = to be or become cool, remain quiet, be steadfast, be firm, refresh, be stable, be firm, receive satisfy, affirm, agree, settle, last. qarar - stability, a fixed or secure place
yeh earth is fixed... but fixed in a orbit that what the meaning of fixing,,, fixing volume in running sound dosent make the sound at rest... and other words make it more clear that's the quality of gravity that make u stable like we assume in a running bus that our body is in rest but infact its in motion so when you jump from it body make u push forward so its imp to run and make motions match.. hafiz sahib inertia ,,,
secured place ,, well the meaning are not contradicting but it gives us more explaination..that even in the motion of earth we behave and feel stable ,, that's what allah want to tell you to amaze on it..
Allah it is Who appointed for you the earth a dwelling-place
we need to thanks to allah he is telling us how he controls all the physical laws of physics and make it possible for you to dwell/live/habitate on earth.. earth is appointed as other celestial bodies but earth appointed for living sun appointed for giving heat light energy and obviously gravitational force... moon stars tree water aww everything is appointed for reason.
Is not He (best) Who made the earth fixed place and placed rivers in the folds thereof, and placed firm hills therein, and hath set a barrier between the two seas? Is there any Allah beside Allah? Nay, but most of them know not! (An-Naml 61)
Is the translation correct? Does the verses convey the message that the earth is stationary? YOUR HELP IS NEEDED.
hmm there is nothing difficult to understand in all these ayats of quran.. where is addresses it motionless and stationalry infact all things are in harmony and support of movement lets look at last ayat he made earth fixed in a orbit so gravity makes it fixed for you to hold you down ... as soon you go to look the full verse more hidden meaning will be prevail and rivers in the fold thereof,,, what does this mean to you have you ever encounter a river that is not running ... every river is running and travel downward .. in flat earth is this possible tell me honestly.. in the case of motion less flat earth water cycle is not possible as we know water travel downward.
next is placed firm hills in it.. the know how mountains work the one third size of mountain is on top of surface and more than double size of mountain is in earth same when u hook some nail in the wall... but again do u really think mountain are fixed,, na my frd there are plates that cause earthquake some times...
next is we placed a barrier between two seas ,, what does this mean.. a barrier of gravity as well as properties of heavy/salty water and soft/drinking water.. a barrier of gravity holds the water at the surface and heavy water always stay away from light water and light water finally evaporates...
for more details look Archimedes principal of floating bodies.. we know water can only sink a thing which is heavier than water weight.. so automatically heavy water stay where it is and light water never sink in depthness..furthermore it stays in planet .. in flat earth motionless model Archimedes principal cant work,,
Portuguese exploration of Africa and Asia, Columbus's voyage to the Americas (1492) and finally Ferdinand Magellan's circumnavigation of the Earth (1519?21) provided the final, practical proofs for the global shape of the Earth.
and ending part of verse but most of them dnt know... here is the answer for this
A later classic Sunni commentary, the Tafsir al-Jalalayn written in the early 16th century says "As for His words sutihat, ?laid out flat?, this on a literal reading suggests that the earth is flat, which is the opinion of most of the scholars of the Law, and not a sphere as astronomers (ahl al-hay?a) have it, even if this does not contradict any of the pillars of the Law. Other translations render "made flat" as "spread out".
The evidence for that is the verse in which Allah says (interpretation of the meaning) ?And the mountains as pegs? . He called them awtaad (pegs) even though these mountains may have large flat surfaces. And the same is true in this case."
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A later classic Sunni commentary, the Tafsir al-Jalalayn written in the early 16th century says "As for His words sutihat, ?laid out flat?, this on a literal reading suggests that the earth is flat, which is the opinion of most of the scholars of the Law, and not a sphere as astronomers (ahl al-hay?a) have it, even if this does not contradict any of the pillars of the Law. Other translations render "made flat" as "spread out".
Indeed, QA. soiat (ت, the passive form of vb. saaa (َ , doesn't mean Earth got "spread out" (as the majority miscalculate) but lit. translates as it got flattened, or made level, ie. laid out flat ? put into tabular form.
Earth has no https//1.bp.blogspot.com/-TxHdsKWB3Eg/VuQC9EwBnpI/AAAAAAAAAjY/3vwvpjpaW2gre7gcUmy1FWsdsPPz7LdWA/s1600/398b8c3e58e961cdea0fe626771f3243.png
It's planate, not a "planet".http//airpano.ru/files/Stratosphere-Caucasus/images/image2.jpg
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EARTH IS STATIONARY
Geocentrism? Wasn't that disproven?
Good question. Like many of you, we were surprised to find out the answer to this question is actually no! Many theories have been brought forward to suggest that the earth moves, but so far all experimental evidence has failed to demonstrate the motion of the earth.
Notable experiments that either failed to demonstrate the earth's motion or are supportive of geocentrism
1610 Galileo's Phases of Venus
Tycho Brahe's geocentric model explained this, as well as the retrograde motion of Mars, by having the other planets orbit the sun while Earth remains motionless with the sun orbiting it.1871 Airy's failure (Animated explanation)
Airy pointed two telescopes side-by-side at the same star. One was filled with air, the other with water. If Earth were moving, the aberration of the starlight was predicted to be exaggerated in the water-filled telescope due to refraction.This was not observed.
1887 Michelson-Morley
Michelson & Morley tried to find a difference in speed between two light beams, one traveling in the direction of Earth's (alleged) orbit and another perpendicular to it. This difference was predicted to correspond to a 66,000 mph orbital motion of Earth.This was not observed.
In spite of the fact that Geocentrism would have explained the results perfectly, Michelson completely ignored that when he published several potential explanations for the dumbfounding data.
Incidentally, Einstein rejected Michelson's hypotheses in favor of his own Relativity. Einstein argued there was no difference in the speeds of the two light beams because lightspeed is constant and unchanging. In spite of the bizarre implications of this theory, such as time-dilation, length-contraction, and relativity of simultaneity, the scientific community came to accept it because the alternative (Geocentrism) was simply unthinkable to them.
1913 Sagnac .PDF
Sagnac was a Frenchman who refused to accept Einstein's theory of constant lightspeed, and designed an experiment to falsify it by measuring a non-constant lightspeed on a spinning disc.He succeeded. Soon after, Einstein revised his original Relativity Theory by declaring it only applied in special cases, like when the observer is not accelerating. That's why it's called Special Relativity.
1925 Michelson-Pearson-Gale .PDF 1 .PDF 2
Despite his failure to prove Earth was orbiting the sun, Michelson set out to prove Earth was spinning on its axis.The experiment was considered a success. However, whereas Michelson believed he had proved Earth is rotating within the aether, Geocentrists believe he proved the aether is rotating around Earth.
1942 Dufour-Prunier
The French duo, Dufour and Prunier, performed a variety of interesting variations on Sagnac's original experiment. They reported lightspeed is always observed to be c+v (where v is the speed of the rotor in Earth's frame) regardless of whetherthe observer is co-rotating with the device
the observer is sitting stationary in the lab (while the optical bench co-rotates with the rotor)
some of the mirrors comprising the optical circuit are stationary in the lab while others co-rotate on the rotor (the light is diverted from a set of spinning mirrors up to a set of stationary mirrors suspended in the air over the rotor, then diverted back down to the spinning mirrors and observer)
They concluded that Relativity is 'in complete disagreement' with the results. Amazingly, mainstream science has been ignoring their experiments for over 70 years... and counting. The support for Geocentrism in these experiments may not be immediately obvious, and it's a little difficult to explain but this video illustrates it nicely.
2004 Wang .PDF
For almost a century, acceptance of Special Relativity prevailed in spite of the experiments of Sagnac and Michelson-Pearson-Gale (Dufour-Prunier was, and still is, simply ignored) because it was argued that they measured lightspeed in an accelerating frame of reference and Special Relativity doesn't apply in such cases.But in 2004, Dr. Wang proved that a non-accelerating observer can also measure a difference in lightspeed, falsifying the commonly accepted explanation for Michelson-Morley (Special Relativity) and proving that Earth is indeed motionless.
Physicist Dr. Robert Bennett has developed a Geocentric theory to explain all of this data (incidentally, it's the only theory in the world which actually tries to make sense of every single one of these experiments). The theory is called A.L.F.A., Absolute Lab Frame & Flexible Aether.
Doesn't Foucault's pendulum demonstrate the Coriolis effect and prove Earth is rotating?
Foucault's pendulum is one of the most famous demonstrations claiming to prove earth's motion. While the basic premise (that the earth rotating underneath the pendulum makes it slowly change direction) might seem to be correct, Mach's Principle requires that the universe rotating around Earth is an equally valid explanation.An alternate, and more plausible, theory is that the universal, rotating aether drags the pendulum around.
How do you explain the Eotvos effect?
Just as a bird flying into the wind experiences greater lift and weightlessness, so a bullet flying eastward, into the aether wind, will experience lift (Eotvos Effect). Earth remains stationary.Well what about geostationary satellites, then?
This is also covered by Mach's Principle. It is also covered by aether theory, where two counter-currents of aether cancel each others' effects at the altitude of the geostationary satellite orbits. See this thread for a more detailed description of this ingenious hypothesis.It should be pointed out here that if geostationary satellites were to prove Earth cannot be motionless, then modern science is doomed, because according to Einstein's Theory of General Relativity, Earth must be able to remain motionless. That was the whole point of Einstein's theory... to enable any object in the universe to be considered as completely motionless. So if you subscribe to Relativity, you cannot refute Geocentrism without also refuting Relativity! Attempt to do so at your own risk...
If Earth isn't spinning, then the stars must be literally circling Earth every 24 hours. But given the vast distance between Earth and the stars, this would mean they are moving faster than light! But that's impossible!
That nothing can exceed the speed of light is actually a common misconception. Even Albert Einstein's Theory of General Relativity lets objects move at any speed, even faster than light, so it's a wonder that this objection is so common. You can read an explanation in this thread from /r/asksciencediscussion. -
Hi,
From "the quran" we can also learn that the roof of the earth has a lot of doors and when those doors are opened water falls down, evidence
5411 So We opened the doors of the sky with pouring water.Oh and the earth has eyes yes evidence
5412 And We caused eyes to gush out of the earth. Thus the waters met to a command which had been measured.Quran confirms this all yes
Peace bro,
Earth does not have eyes... the Arabic word 'A3yn means a pond or a place where water stays all the time.
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Peace bro,
Earth does not have eyes... the Arabic word 'A3yn means a pond or a place where water stays all the time.
salaam bro,
I thought it was obvious that I was being ironic.
Anyway what I find intrestring is that you and some other member only commented on the "eyes" verse.
So do you think the earth has a roof with doors which can be opened (5411)? For me, both verses (eyes and doors) are equally nonsense the way I "explained" them. -
So do you think the earth has a roof with doors which can be opened (5411)? For me, both verses (eyes and doors) are equally nonsense the way I "explained" them.
C'mon bro, haven't you seen Truman Show? There you have a door, albeit very near the horizon. )
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I thought it was obvious that I was being ironic.
965 And if you ask them, surely they will say, "Only we were conversing and playing." Say, "Is it Allah and His Verses and His Messenger (that) you were mocking?"
Anyway what I find intrestring is that you and some other member only commented on the "eyes" verse.
So do you think the earth has a roof with doors which can be opened (5411)? For me, both verses (eyes and doors) are equally nonsense the way I "explained" them.There is a lot of speculation about the "gates" in this response but bear with me I only seek the truth.
5411 So We opened (the) gates (of) heaven with water pouring down
5412 And We caused to burst the earth (with) springs, so met the water(s) for a matter already predestined.If you take this translation and accept the notion that the sky above us is a structured roof as Quran highlights, it is possible to conceive that this roof may have specific designated areas that can be more dense than others upon the will of our Lord. These specific areas can give away under some type of atmospheric pressure and let the waters from above the roof pour down to our plane. It is also not far-fetched to suppose that there could be literally some form of gates in this roof structure.
What I won't do is ridicule, because the truth could be nothing like you'd imagine it to be.
If my Lord says gates then it is gates.
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C'mon bro, haven't you seen Truman Show? There you have a door, albeit very near the horizon.
Great movie.
Actually, I think if the earth was indeed like in the movie then we would have the same situations like Jim Carrey when he tried to escape.
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965 And if you ask them, surely they will say, "Only we were conversing and playing." Say, "Is it Allah and His Verses and His Messenger (that) you were mocking?"
Hi,
I also thought it was obvious that I was not mocking the quran but giving an example about how some twist (knowing or unknowing) verses to make it fit to their conviction.
btw ayaats does not mean verse but signs as per my understanding but I could be wrong.
There is a lot of speculation about the "gates" in this response but bear with me I only seek the truth.
5411 So We opened (the) gates (of) heaven with water pouring down
5412 And We caused to burst the earth (with) springs, so met the water(s) for a matter already predestined.If you take this translation and accept the notion that the sky above us is a structured roof as Quran highlights, it is possible to conceive that this roof may have specific designated areas that can be more dense than others upon the will of our Lord. These specific areas can give away under some type of atmospheric pressure and let the waters from above the roof pour down to our plane. It is also not far-fetched to suppose that there could be literally some form of gates in this roof structure.
What I won't do is ridicule, because the truth could be nothing like you'd imagine it to be.
If my Lord says gates then it is gates.
RED That is great! Me too. And I hope everyone else here too.
GREEN Yes I agree, sorry if it was offending.What you described can be very well true, but for me that is an unlikely scenario for a lot of reasons
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Great movie.
Actually, I think if the earth was indeed like in the movie then we would have the same situations like Jim Carrey when he tried to escape.
As soon as we make an attempt to reach the outer of the dome then all kind of obstacles would be thrown at us.But that is the case Bender.
There is a tremendous correlation between rocket launches and comets. Look it up.
Have you not come across ALL the many Signs in the Quran that mention that the sky is filled with guards and every time a devil snatches something by sitting to listen he is chased with fire and smoke?
Look at the surah with jinn talking about how they sought to touch the heaven but they found it filled with guards.
Look at surah ArRahman where Allah tells men and jinn to try and go beyond the regions of the heavens and the earth if they can, but they won't be able to without authority.
728 And that we sought to touch the heaven but we found it filled (with) guards severe, and flaming fires.
729 And that we used to sit there in positions for hearing, but (he) who listens now will find for him a flaming fire waiting.5533 O assembly (of) the jinn and the men! If you are able to pass beyond (the) regions (of) the heavens and the earth, then pass. Not you (can) pass except by authority.
There are many more Signs like the above
What do you think when you are reading these Signs or are you pondering at all?
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Kings Dethroned. By Gerard Hickson.
The Enlightenment of the World. By John G. Abizaid
Also
Zetetic Cosmogony. By Thomas Winship.
The Terrestrial Plane. By Frederick H. Cook
100 Proofs Earth is Not a Globe. By William Carpenter.
Terra Firma The Earth Not a Planet. By David W. Scott.
Zetetic Astronomy Earth Not a Globe. By Samuel B. Rowbotham.And 200 Proofs Earth is Not a Spinning Ball . By Eric Dubay.
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But that is the case Bender.
Hi,
I have never heard of someone who had similar experience as Jim Carey.
There are no stop signs on the south pole district. If you have the money then you can make a trip to it, like many people are doing now and in the past.There is a tremendous correlation between rocket launches and comets. Look it up.
Have you not come across ALL the many Signs in the Quran that mention that the sky is filled with guards and every time a devil snatches something by sitting to listen he is chased with fire and smoke?
Look at the surah with jinn talking about how they sought to touch the heaven but they found it filled with guards.
Look at surah ArRahman where Allah tells men and jinn to try and go beyond the regions of the heavens and the earth if they can, but they won't be able to without authority.
728 And that we sought to touch the heaven but we found it filled (with) guards severe, and flaming fires.
729 And that we used to sit there in positions for hearing, but (he) who listens now will find for him a flaming fire waiting.5533 O assembly (of) the jinn and the men! If you are able to pass beyond (the) regions (of) the heavens and the earth, then pass. Not you (can) pass except by authority.
There are many more Signs like the above
What do you think when you are reading these Signs or are you pondering at all?
RED When I read translations like "every time a devil snatches something by sitting to listen he is chased with fire and smoke" then for me it's a clear sign that something is totally wrong with the translation. I can think of at least ten "valid" reasons why it totally makes no sense to me.
Yes I ponder on verses of the Quran but I try not to translate them to my conviction, if I do that then I am not reading the verses but my conviction. In this way I can make every verse fit my conviction.btw I have probably a different understanding then yours what a jinn is.
