IS EARTH STATIONARY/FIXED?
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But that is the case Bender.
Hi,
I have never heard of someone who had similar experience as Jim Carey.
There are no stop signs on the south pole district. If you have the money then you can make a trip to it, like many people are doing now and in the past.There is a tremendous correlation between rocket launches and comets. Look it up.
Have you not come across ALL the many Signs in the Quran that mention that the sky is filled with guards and every time a devil snatches something by sitting to listen he is chased with fire and smoke?
Look at the surah with jinn talking about how they sought to touch the heaven but they found it filled with guards.
Look at surah ArRahman where Allah tells men and jinn to try and go beyond the regions of the heavens and the earth if they can, but they won't be able to without authority.
728 And that we sought to touch the heaven but we found it filled (with) guards severe, and flaming fires.
729 And that we used to sit there in positions for hearing, but (he) who listens now will find for him a flaming fire waiting.5533 O assembly (of) the jinn and the men! If you are able to pass beyond (the) regions (of) the heavens and the earth, then pass. Not you (can) pass except by authority.
There are many more Signs like the above
What do you think when you are reading these Signs or are you pondering at all?
RED When I read translations like "every time a devil snatches something by sitting to listen he is chased with fire and smoke" then for me it's a clear sign that something is totally wrong with the translation. I can think of at least ten "valid" reasons why it totally makes no sense to me.
Yes I ponder on verses of the Quran but I try not to translate them to my conviction, if I do that then I am not reading the verses but my conviction. In this way I can make every verse fit my conviction.btw I have probably a different understanding then yours what a jinn is.
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Why do you assume such translation is wrong? That seems arbitrary.
Forget about the jinn.
My point was that the Quran conveys the heavens are indeed filled with guards and projectiles deter away those who attempt to pass the roof.There is massive evidence in the Quran and it is no translational error.
If so you claim, though, then I'd have to ask how you'd interpret it and also your methodology and sources.You cannot deny that the Quran conveys the heavens are filled with guards or protection.
Please take your time and read all these Signs.1514-18
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675 rujuman= missiles/projectiles
861-4It is clear that the stars, beyond being beautifying phenomena inspiring acknowledgement of Allah as Signs of His Creation of the Heavens and the Earth,
are missiles/projectiles (thrown) set up as a protecting/guarding mechanism against the Roof breachers.Great movie.
Actually, I think if the earth was indeed like in the movie then we would have the same situations like Jim Carrey when he tried to escape.
As soon as we make an attempt to reach the outer of the dome then all kind of obstacles would be thrown at us.That is exactly what the Quran in those Signs posted above is indicating. So please ponder about this and do not mock.
Because the Quran is literally saying that things are thrown =rujuman at those who attempt to approach the ceiling in 675
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Why do you assume such translation is wrong? That seems arbitrary.
Hi,
Because it totally makes no sense to me.
Not only a little bit but like everything.Forget about the jinn.
My point was that the Quran conveys the heavens are indeed filled with guards and projectiles deter away those who attempt to pass the roof.A roof? From what is it made? Till this day no one ever saw a roof or a guard with his/her telescope.
There is massive evidence in the Quran and it is no translational error.
If so you claim, though, then I'd have to ask how you'd interpret it and also your methodology and sources.RED If the quran speaks the truth and your translation is the truth then show me. Have you ever heard of someone who claimed he saw this roof?
You cannot deny that the Quran conveys the heavens are filled with guards or protection.
What do you mean with guards and protection?
Please take your time and read all these Signs.
1514-18
2132
371-10
4112
675 rujuman= missiles/projectiles
861-4It is clear that the stars, beyond being beautifying phenomena inspiring acknowledgement of Allah as Signs of His Creation of the Heavens and the Earth,
are missiles/projectiles (thrown) set up as a protecting/guarding mechanism against the Roof breachers.What roof breachers are you talking about? I seriously have never heard of someone who is on a mission to reach the roof.
How big do you think a star is? I mean if a star is a missile then how big is it's target? To stop me from reaching the roof you seriously do not need a star as a missile?That is exactly what the Quran in those Signs posted above is indicating. So please ponder about this and do not mock.
I do not mock or at least that is not my intention, but sometimes some things are so unrealistic to me that maybe I express myself not in a correct way.
Because the Quran is literally saying that things are thrown =rujuman at those who attempt to approach the ceiling in 675
Let Allah guide you and fill your sudurin with knowledge and wisdom from Him.When you read such translations do you not have a feeling that at least it sounds weird?
You should know that the people who translated the quran are just people like you and me.
When they where translating they had not a dictionary included with the quran, they are just guessing like you and me. -
Hi,
Because it totally makes no sense to me.
Not only a little bit but like everything.A roof? From what is it made? Till this day no one ever saw a roof or a guard with his/her telescope.
RED If the quran speaks the truth and your translation is the truth then show me. Have you ever heard of someone who claimed he saw this roof?
What do you mean with guards and protection?
What roof breachers are you talking about? I seriously have never heard of someone who is on a mission to reach the roof.
How big do you think a star is? I mean if a star is a missile then how big is it's target? To stop me from reaching the roof you seriously do not need a star as a missile?
I do not mock or at least that is not my intention, but sometimes some things are so unrealistic to me that maybe I express myself not in a correct way.
When you read such translations do you not have a feeling that at least it sounds weird?You should know that the people who translated the quran are just people like you and me.
When they where translating they had not a dictionary included with the quran, they are just guessing like you and me.When i was a child (around 35 years ago) i read about the meeting of 2 seas in quran. The explanation of that verse at that time is ok with science and common understanding at that time, which is something like the meeting of mediteranian sea and red sea in suez or anything like that.
But now with the advancement of our understanding, we can see that quran is actually talking about the meeting of salty and fresh water in the ocean literally, which was unthinkable 35 years ago.
Can you imagine what will happen to somebody from our time if he go back 35 years ago (or more) and told the people that quran literally talk about the meeting of salty and fresh water in the ocean and they dont get mixed up at all? almost everyone will mock him, unless the ones with the open mind.
If only all our (we as humankind) research is pointed out to dig what the quran literally say, maybe the fact about salty and fresh water have been found much much earlier.
Do you think that the sky as the roof, gates in heaven, and missile for the jinn that quran talk about has similar case with this? Such as animal communication to sulaiman and among themselves. In my perception, it is a big yes.
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guys , our arguments always started when we think everything by our own perceptive,
one need to understand when God communicates with humans its something that human can understand,
Allah have eyes but his eyes are not like us, limited and lens body parts etc,, but Allah dnt need to see world by lens.
Allah has hands but not like us , that can only bear certain amount of load.
allah has ears bit not like us ..
same way if Allah is refering a roof we suddenly start thinking about the roof what that made up of,, how does it look like,, how does it works , mechanism etc..
now star discussing about material things , infact investigating the source of creation is out of reach,,now see one verse ,, do not the unbelievers see that we created heavens without pillars,, we raised heavens and imposed balance,,
have you ever see a roof in this world without pillars its magical , but we cant make roof here in this planet without pillars gravity make it fall down,, but why you guys are thinking about gravity law in case of Allah he know how to make roof without pillars he know how to rectify the laws of physics,, one need to understnd these things with the power of Allah.. no telescope can grasp a image of roof what you consider roof is not the roof same like pur house ,, by roof mean Allah protected everything in balance under his observation..
time travelling is not possible for us but its Allah who can break the law of physics anytime,
reversal of time in the case of birds flight of abraham,
reversal of time in the case of a person who sleep for one hundred years and bones of donkey he see..but generally laws of physics are going towards fututre same like expanding universe..glass cant be unbroken, we are getting old , time is moving forward, but for him he can change the laws anytimme anywhere he wishes,,
but make sure while discussing the source of God creations we need not to b agressive , we need to understand deeply the characteristics of source.
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time travelling is not possible for us but its Allah who can break the law of physics anytime,
reversal of time in the case of birds flight of abraham,
reversal of time in the case of a person who sleep for one hundred years and bones of donkey he see..but generally laws of physics are going towards fututre same like expanding universe..glass cant be unbroken, we are getting old , time is moving forward, but for him he can change the laws anytimme anywhere he wishes,,
hi brother,
are you seriously thinking that i propose time travelling research or anything?
i am just giving an "if" situation bro -
hi brother,
are you seriously thinking that i propose time travelling research or anything?
i am just giving an "if" situation bro )lol i didnt say anything to you regarding time travelling ,, i was telling to all of you about the roof thingie ,, people are discusssing the roof of God ,, so i was telling them the way God works is out of human calculations.
we have limit ,while God is limitless in anything , for makin you understand he sometimes compare things even when he compare we have no exact calculation ,, for example,,,
if all the oceans become ink and all trees become pens , the praises of your lord will never finsih.. even if you double the supply of ink..
now Allah is talking on a level of human understanding ,, first of all we dnt even know how much water is inn the ocean,, some how we find out the quantity of water ,, we still dnt know what is the limit of God to write praises ,, as he already told my praises will not finish even after you doouble the supply of ink,,, subhanallah
even here we are unable to calculate.. that what i was tryinng to tell you guys.. time travelling just comes there as a example of Allahz power
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lol i didnt say anything to you regarding time travelling ,, i was telling to all of you about the roof thingie ,, people are discusssing the roof of God ,, so i was telling them the way God works is out of human calculations.
we have limit ,while God is limitless in anything , for makin you understand he sometimes compare things even when he compare we have no exact calculation ,, for example,,,
if all the oceans become ink and all trees become pens , the praises of your lord will never finsih.. even if you double the supply of ink..
now Allah is talking on a level of human understanding ,, first of all we dnt even know how much water is inn the ocean,, some how we find out the quantity of water ,, we still dnt know what is the limit of God to write praises ,, as he already told my praises will not finish even after you doouble the supply of ink,,, subhanallah
even here we are unable to calculate.. that what i was tryinng to tell you guys.. time travelling just comes there as a example of Allahz power
Yes, i fully agree with you about this. Thank you
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Yes, i fully agree with you about this. Thank you
jazak Allah my brother
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Hi,
Peace
Because it totally makes no sense to me.
Not only a little bit but like everything.Don't say it makes no sense to you. It is plausible therefore it makes sense but the issue is that it does not adhere to what you are mislead to believe is scientific truth.
A roof? From what is it made? Till this day no one ever saw a roof or a guard with his/her telescope.
Yes, a roof. The Quran uses roof so do not question me nor react with bafflement. Neither was I its maker.
This question is akin you asking Allah? what is He made of?
How can you ask a human about the unseen? It is nothing but doubt.RED If the quran speaks the truth and your translation is the truth then show me. Have you ever heard of someone who claimed he saw this roof?
Bender this is what you sound like
1793 Or is for you a house of ornament or you ascend into the sky. And never we will believe in your ascension until you bring down to us a book we could read it." Say, "Glorified (is) my Lord! "What am I but a human, a Messenger."What do you mean with guards and protection?
No no read the ayaats my words are not crucial here the Quran conveys this clearly
What roof breachers are you talking about? I seriously have never heard of someone who is on a mission to reach the roof.
US. Government in the 60s was bombarding the high atmosphere in a well-known mission ironically named Operation Fishbowl https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Fishbowl
And that is just humans, while you may argue about jinn there is no doubt they have sought to reach/ touch the heaven.
That is clearly indicated in those ayaats you have refused to comment on after I invited you to discuss them.How big do you think a star is? I mean if a star is a missile then how big is it's target? To stop me from reaching the roof you seriously do not need a star as a missile?
Might as well ask me how big an angel wing is or whether the cow to slaughter is young or old, skinny or fat, yellow or blemished.
Stressing about irrelevant details.
And why do you continuously try to intentionally misinterpret? Look up the actual word, were there missiles in the 7th century? Don't be stupid come on.
I conclude you are certainly deliberately mocking and Allah knows what you doI do not mock or at least that is not my intention, but sometimes some things are so unrealistic to me that maybe I express myself not in a correct way.
Monotheism is unrealistic to the polytheists as well. Indeed the shaytan makes the wrongdoers deeds fair-seeming to them.
When you read such translations do you not have a feeling that at least it sounds weird?
Not one bit. I do not read a translation I look at each word and its root, concordance and context it is used.
You should know that the people who translated the quran are just people like you and me.
When they where translating they had not a dictionary included with the quran, they are just guessing like you and me.There is no guessing in root meaning, concordance and context meaning.
More importantly what is your understanding of those ayaats that I initially posted and asked you to read ?