Why does God say We in some places the Quran ?
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Salam Alihawa,
This is particularly in response to the below quote. Truthfully some of the other points you have made hold water but there is no stance against the forgiving argument.
i fully agree with you that no one has the authority to forgive people except ALLAH. but i think ALLAH gives some of this authority to the ones He chose in these verses
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On that Day, no intercession will be of help, except for he whom the Almighty allows and accepts what he has to say.Q 4385-86
And blessed is the One who possesses the sovereignty of the heavens and the earth, and everything between them; and with
Him is the knowledge of the Hour, and to Him you will be returned.
And those whom they call on besides Him do not possess any intercession; except those who bear witness to the truth, and they
fully know.do you think that it is possible that ALLAH granted malaika this authority since they always obey him?
or, do you think it is possible that the involvement of jibril or malaika in this forgiving case is just in informing the good news?
if that's the case then i find no grammatical or logical error in 252 and 258We really have to understand what the Quran is conveying by intercession.
407 Those who bear the Throne and who (are) around it glorify (the) praises (of) their Lord and believe in Him and ask forgiveness for those who believe, "Our Lord! You encompass all things (by Your) Mercy and knowledge, so forgive those who repent and follow Your Way and save them (the) punishment (of) the Hellfire.
408 Our Lord! And admit them (to) Gardens (of) Eden which You have promised them and whoever (was) righteous among their fathers and their spouses and their offspring. Indeed You, You (are) the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.The Angels pray to Allah to forgive those who believe. This praying on others account is also known as intercession.
in?ter?ces?sion
in(t)rseSHn/
noun
the action of intervening on behalf of another.
"through the intercession of friends, I was able to obtain her a sinecure"
synonyms mediation, intermediation, arbitration, conciliation, negotiation; More
the action of saying a prayer on behalf of another person.
"prayers of intercession"Shiin-Fa-Ayn = to make even that which was odd, make double, pair, make a thing to be one of the pair, adjoin a thing to its like, provide a thing which was alone with another, protect, mediate, intercede, be an intercessor. shaf'un - pair, double. shafa'at - likeness/similarity, intercede or pray for a person.
But the Angels are not as the prayer clearly demonstrate in any position to do any forgiving contrary to what you would presume 252 and 258 are saying.
If you want to make the claim that the intercession is as in protection then that is no longer in support of your argument, because protection is not forgiving. It is true though, that whoever Allah chooses to forgive then the Angels will intercede to protect them from the punishment of the HellFire but that is not actively forgiving.
We understand that this authority of intercession is also given to the prophets as the prophet is encouraged to pray for those who come to him with charities and seek forgiveness from Allah. Although this does not mean that the intercessions of these authorities Prophets and Angels is automatically accepted, it is contingent on the person on who's behalf their interceding's repentance and sincerity. In fact, here are two examples of intercession being addressed in Quran
980 Ask forgiveness for them or (do) not ask forgiveness for them. If you ask forgiveness for them seventy times, never will Allah forgive them. That (is) because they disbelieved in Allah and His Messenger, and Allah (does) not guide the people, the defiantly disobedient.
In what possible context can the Angels assist Allah in the forgiving of sins?
He Who Created and Judges is The One Forgives not His creations.2462 Only the believers (are) those who believe in Allah and His Messenger, and when they are with him for a matter (of) collective action, not they go until they (have) asked his permission. Indeed, those who ask your permission, those believe in Allah and His Messenger. So when they ask your permission for some affair of theirs, then give permission to whom you will among them, and ask forgiveness for them (of) Allah. Indeed, Allah (is) Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
I think this serves to prove that We is not referring to anyone but Allah.
Perhaps we cannot grasp the use of this particular grammar, but it does not mean we should assume anything different than what the Message itself conveys.There is only One God, He is Supreme, He is the All-Mighty and All-Wise and Has Power and Dominion over all things and He shares no partner in His Dominion and He needs no one to protect Him.
In fact the righteous in their salat pray
17111 And say, "All Praise (is) for Allah the One Who has not taken a son and not is for Him a partner in the dominion, and not is for Him any protector out of weakness. And magnify Him (with all) magnificence."Again Allah needs no assistance to forgive His creations, He alone is worthy to forgive you.
7456 And not will pay heed except that wills Allah. He (is) worthy to be feared, and worthy to forgive.
Another point is that the Angels themselves will receive judgement. So how can they be partners in forgiving of your sins if they themselves are subject to the Judgement?
Let?s take a look at one of the descriptions of Judgement Day.
Disbelievers destination
3971 And (will) be driven those who disbelieve to Hell (in) groups until when they reach it, (will) be opened its gates and (will) say to them its keepers, "Did not come to you Messengers from you reciting to you (the) Verses (of) your Lord and warning you (of the) meeting (of) your Day this?" They (will) say, "Yes!" But has been justified (the) word (of) punishment against the disbelievers.
3972 It will be said, "Enter (the) gates (of) Hell (to) abide eternally therein, and wretched is (the) abode (of) the arrogant."Fearful/Conscious/Righteous Destination
3973 And (will) be driven those who feared their Lord, to Paradise (in) groups until when they reach it and (will) be opened its gates and (will) say to them its keepers, "Peace be upon you, you have done well, so enter it (to) abide eternally."
3974 And they will say, "All praise (be) to Allah, Who has fulfilled for us His promise and has made us inherit the earth, we may settle (in) Paradise wherever we wish. So excellent (is the) reward (of) the workers."Angels Judgement
And you will see the Angels surrounding around the Throne glorifying (the) praise (of) their Lord. And (will) be judged between them in truth, and it will be said, "All praise be to Allah, (the) Lord (of) the worlds."
Who knows how thin the line is between recognizing the Angels as a Sign and their abilities and involvement in serving Allah in the regulation of the affairs and making association, but I do not want to find out. This is what I am particularly troubled with, because in the Hereafter this will occur
3440 And (the) Day He will gather them all, then He will say to the Angels, "Were these you they were worshipping?"
3441 They will say, "Glory be to You (are) our Protector, not them. Nay, they used (to) worship the jinn, most of them in them (were) believers."
3442 But today not possess power some of you on others to benefit and not to harm, and We will say to those who wronged, "Taste (the) punishment (of) the Fire which you used to deny."If you think about it when the polytheists are associating Isa with Allah, they are not worshipping/serving Isa, they are worshipping/serving the shaytan/ or their own desires or the entities responsible for deceiving them. The prophets and Isa will deny the worshipping/serving of them by the polytheists.
So it is possible that in the same way we can be deceived by these shaytan/ desires or entities(jinn) to associate with Allah. Like the example above the Angels will deny the worshipping/serving of them by the polytheists.
At the very least what my argument is conveying is that it is a stretch to assume We refers to Allah and the Angels in these particular cases which deal with Allah's Supremacy and Dominion and Authority.
At the most it is saying that assuming that We is referring to Allah and anyone else might be a grave association worthy of Hell.
Looking forward to your calculated thought-out response
Peace brother
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Salam Alihawa,
This is particularly in response to the below quote. Truthfully some of the other points you have made hold water but there is no stance against the forgiving argument.
We really have to understand what the Quran is conveying by intercession.
407 Those who bear the Throne and who (are) around it glorify (the) praises (of) their Lord and believe in Him and ask forgiveness for those who believe, "Our Lord! You encompass all things (by Your) Mercy and knowledge, so forgive those who repent and follow Your Way and save them (the) punishment (of) the Hellfire.
408 Our Lord! And admit them (to) Gardens (of) Eden which You have promised them and whoever (was) righteous among their fathers and their spouses and their offspring. Indeed You, You (are) the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.The Angels pray to Allah to forgive those who believe. This praying on others account is also known as intercession.
in?ter?ces?sion
in(t)rseSHn/
noun
the action of intervening on behalf of another.
"through the intercession of friends, I was able to obtain her a sinecure"
synonyms mediation, intermediation, arbitration, conciliation, negotiation; More
the action of saying a prayer on behalf of another person.
"prayers of intercession"Shiin-Fa-Ayn = to make even that which was odd, make double, pair, make a thing to be one of the pair, adjoin a thing to its like, provide a thing which was alone with another, protect, mediate, intercede, be an intercessor. shaf'un - pair, double. shafa'at - likeness/similarity, intercede or pray for a person.
But the Angels are not as the prayer clearly demonstrate in any position to do any forgiving contrary to what you would presume 252 and 258 are saying.
If you want to make the claim that the intercession is as in protection then that is no longer in support of your argument, because protection is not forgiving. It is true though, that whoever Allah chooses to forgive then the Angels will intercede to protect them from the punishment of the HellFire but that is not actively forgiving.
We understand that this authority of intercession is also given to the prophets as the prophet is encouraged to pray for those who come to him with charities and seek forgiveness from Allah. Although this does not mean that the intercessions of these authorities Prophets and Angels is automatically accepted, it is contingent on the person on who's behalf their interceding's repentance and sincerity. In fact, here are two examples of intercession being addressed in Quran
980 Ask forgiveness for them or (do) not ask forgiveness for them. If you ask forgiveness for them seventy times, never will Allah forgive them. That (is) because they disbelieved in Allah and His Messenger, and Allah (does) not guide the people, the defiantly disobedient.
In what possible context can the Angels assist Allah in the forgiving of sins?
He Who Created and Judges is The One Forgives not His creations.2462 Only the believers (are) those who believe in Allah and His Messenger, and when they are with him for a matter (of) collective action, not they go until they (have) asked his permission. Indeed, those who ask your permission, those believe in Allah and His Messenger. So when they ask your permission for some affair of theirs, then give permission to whom you will among them, and ask forgiveness for them (of) Allah. Indeed, Allah (is) Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
I think this serves to prove that We is not referring to anyone but Allah.
Perhaps we cannot grasp the use of this particular grammar, but it does not mean we should assume anything different than what the Message itself conveys.There is only One God, He is Supreme, He is the All-Mighty and All-Wise and Has Power and Dominion over all things and He shares no partner in His Dominion and He needs no one to protect Him.
In fact the righteous in their salat pray
17111 And say, "All Praise (is) for Allah the One Who has not taken a son and not is for Him a partner in the dominion, and not is for Him any protector out of weakness. And magnify Him (with all) magnificence."Again Allah needs no assistance to forgive His creations, He alone is worthy to forgive you.
7456 And not will pay heed except that wills Allah. He (is) worthy to be feared, and worthy to forgive.
Another point is that the Angels themselves will receive judgement. So how can they be partners in forgiving of your sins if they themselves are subject to the Judgement?
Lets take a look at one of the descriptions of Judgement Day.
Disbelievers destination
3971 And (will) be driven those who disbelieve to Hell (in) groups until when they reach it, (will) be opened its gates and (will) say to them its keepers, "Did not come to you Messengers from you reciting to you (the) Verses (of) your Lord and warning you (of the) meeting (of) your Day this?" They (will) say, "Yes!" But has been justified (the) word (of) punishment against the disbelievers.
3972 It will be said, "Enter (the) gates (of) Hell (to) abide eternally therein, and wretched is (the) abode (of) the arrogant."Fearful/Conscious/Righteous Destination
3973 And (will) be driven those who feared their Lord, to Paradise (in) groups until when they reach it and (will) be opened its gates and (will) say to them its keepers, "Peace be upon you, you have done well, so enter it (to) abide eternally."
3974 And they will say, "All praise (be) to Allah, Who has fulfilled for us His promise and has made us inherit the earth, we may settle (in) Paradise wherever we wish. So excellent (is the) reward (of) the workers."Angels Judgement
And you will see the Angels surrounding around the Throne glorifying (the) praise (of) their Lord. And (will) be judged between them in truth, and it will be said, "All praise be to Allah, (the) Lord (of) the worlds."
Who knows how thin the line is between recognizing the Angels as a Sign and their abilities and involvement in serving Allah in the regulation of the affairs and making association, but I do not want to find out. This is what I am particularly troubled with, because in the Hereafter this will occur
3440 And (the) Day He will gather them all, then He will say to the Angels, "Were these you they were worshipping?"
3441 They will say, "Glory be to You (are) our Protector, not them. Nay, they used (to) worship the jinn, most of them in them (were) believers."
3442 But today not possess power some of you on others to benefit and not to harm, and We will say to those who wronged, "Taste (the) punishment (of) the Fire which you used to deny."If you think about it when the polytheists are associating Isa with Allah, they are not worshipping/serving Isa, they are worshipping/serving the shaytan/ or their own desires or the entities responsible for deceiving them. The prophets and Isa will deny the worshipping/serving of them by the polytheists.
So it is possible that in the same way we can be deceived by these shaytan/ desires or entities(jinn) to associate with Allah. Like the example above the Angels will deny the worshipping/serving of them by the polytheists.
At the very least what my argument is conveying is that it is a stretch to assume We refers to Allah and the Angels in these particular cases which deal with Allah's Supremacy and Dominion and Authority.
At the most it is saying that assuming that We is referring to Allah and anyone else might be a grave association worthy of Hell.
Looking forward to your calculated thought-out response
Peace brother
salam HP tech,
thank you for your input. as stated on my previous post in this thread, all my answers before are just my best speculations because i refuse to accept that there are many grammatical or logical error in Quran.
i agree with you about the forgiving judgment must come from ALLAH himself. and i think that the only possible involvement of angel or jibril are in communication process and/or in proposing process (the authority that i mention on the previous post is the authority to propose, not to judge. why proposing needs authority? because nobody can even talk on that day except with His permission and those permission are already approved by ALLAH, because ALLAH keeps his promises).
yes, it might sound pathetic, but it is my best speculation at this moment
if you think those two chance are not possible too, then i have to look for the other options ......
so do you have any other solution to this problem brother? please share me your thought
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You don't have to refuse to accept anything. There is no ill in Quran.
I do not have a solution because there is no problem.You only have a problem if you assume that We could refer to anyone but Allah.
Just as we should not speculate too much about the soul or follow that which we do not have any knowledge of, we should not speculate or assume there are grammatical errors or that We refers to Allah and the Angels in unison.We want to say, yes probably it is Allah and the Angels because they obey all of Allah's commands, but that is only an assumption. Allah states that He is the Doer
Perhaps we just cannot grasp yet how the affairs are regulated by Him, but we cannot speculate/assume that We refers to anyone other than Allah alone.8513 Indeed He, He originates and repeats,
8514 And He (is) the Oft-Forgiving, the Most Loving,
8515 Owner (of) the Throne the Glorious,
8516 Doer of what He intends. -
You don't have to refuse to accept anything. There is no ill in Quran.
I do not have a solution because there is no problem.You only have a problem if you assume that We could refer to anyone but Allah.
Just as we should not speculate too much about the soul or follow that which we do not have any knowledge of, we should not speculate or assume there are grammatical errors or that We refers to Allah and the Angels in unison.We want to say, yes probably it is Allah and the Angels because they obey all of Allah's commands, but that is only an assumption. Allah states that He is the Doer
Perhaps we just cannot grasp yet how the affairs are regulated by Him, but we cannot speculate/assume that We refers to anyone other than Allah alone.8513 Indeed He, He originates and repeats,
8514 And He (is) the Oft-Forgiving, the Most Loving,
8515 Owner (of) the Throne the Glorious,
8516 Doer of what He intends.thank you that is very thoughtful of you )
i can see there is no real problem now, just a curiosity "Why does God say We in some places the Quran ?" just like the name of the this thread )
i still wonder if there is a more logical explanation about this curiosity. at this moment, my answer to that curiosity is still the same.
May ALLAH increase our understanding and iman
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in my opinion, isra' mi'raj is the fake event required to justify big idol worhipping that currently going on and on. these verses imply that Muhammad never ascend to heaven.
in your opinion isra and miraj are fake ,,, fair enough the starting of this chapter is telling the believers how (praised one) recieved revelation.. the isra and miraj event started from the middle of this chapter here some points for you to ponder.. and plz before giving opinions verify your opinion in the light of quran,, here is your answer of your opinion, check these verses,,
5313 And indeed, he saw him in another descent.
5314 At the ultimate point. ( ultimate point ,, where about)
5315 Near it is the eternal Paradise.( eternal paradise cant be in earth)
5316 The whole place was overwhelmed. (which place exactly)
5317 The eyes did not waver, nor go blind.(where exactly eyes get trick)
5318 He has seen from the great signs of his Lord. ( which signs , two discussed here as sidra tu muntaha(lot tree) and eternal paradise)..chapter started from the way how prophet recieved revelation and ,, chapter link in another ocassion where prophet ascends to heavens ,,honestly tell me one thing my brother do you really know how to study quran ,, or you have some doubt about the verses like flat earth...
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in your opinion isra and miraj are fake ,,, fair enough the starting of this chapter is telling the believers how (praised one) recieved revelation.. the isra and miraj event started from the middle of this chapter here some points for you to ponder.. and plz before giving opinions verify your opinion in the light of quran,, here is your answer of your opinion, check these verses,,
5313 And indeed, he saw him in another descent.
5314 At the ultimate point. ( ultimate point ,, where about)
5315 Near it is the eternal Paradise.( eternal paradise cant be in earth)
5316 The whole place was overwhelmed. (which place exactly)
5317 The eyes did not waver, nor go blind.(where exactly eyes get trick)
5318 He has seen from the great signs of his Lord. ( which signs , two discussed here as sidra tu muntaha(lot tree) and eternal paradise)..chapter started from the way how prophet recieved revelation and ,, chapter link in another ocassion where prophet ascends to heavens ,,honestly tell me one thing my brother do you really know how to study quran ,, or you have some doubt about the verses like flat earth...
Salam imran,
I think this discussion about isra miraj deserve its own thread, if it is not discussed already. What do you think?
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Salam imran,
I think this discussion about isra miraj deserve its own thread, if it is not discussed already. What do you think?
w salam brother
its up to you wherever you want discussion, but its not a big deal to talk as these ayats clearly talking about two different occassion one is definately not regarding to earth. thats it
peace ,
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i still wonder if there is a more logical explanation about this curiosity. at this moment, my answer to that curiosity is still the same.
May ALLAH increase our understanding and iman
Are you familiar with the use of Royal We by religious authorities or monarchs?
It is a form of Nosism https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_we pluralis majestatis. Check this wikipedia article.Also look at pluralis excellentiae https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluralis_excellentiae stemming from Hebrew
If you are familiar with this then it shouldn't be hard to accept that these cultures adopted this notion of Royal We from Our Majesty.
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Illogical. And vanity, completely primitive.
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Illogical. And vanity, completely primitive.
I disagree with your statement. Allah is the Owner of Majesty, Honor and Glory and it does not denote vanity, but Exaltedness and Absolute Purity and Nobility and Regard.
Pluralis Majestasis and Pluralis Excellentiae are vanity when human beings like popes and monarchs use them to imitate The Most Gracious, not when Our Lord uses them. They are honorifics and to Allah belongs The Honor ALL.Read these following ayaats in context karim denotes nobility, regard
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Falamma samiAAat bimakrihinna arsalat ilayhinna waaAAtadat lahunna muttakaan waatat kulla wahidatin minhunna sikkeenan waqalati okhruj AAalayhinna falamma raaynahu akbarnahu waqattaAAna aydiyahunna waqulna hasha lillahi ma hatha basharan in hatha illa malakun kareemun
So when she heard of their scheming, she sent for them and she prepared for them a banquet and she gave each one of them a knife and she said, "Come out before them." Then when they saw they greatly admired him, and cut their hands, they said, "Forbid Allah, not (is) this a man not (is) this but an angel noble."23116
FataAAala Allahu almaliku alhaqqu la ilaha illa huwa rabbu alAAarshi alkareemi
So exalted is Allah, the King, the Truth. (There is) no god except Him, (the) Lord (of) the Throne Honorable.Kaf-Ra-Miim = To be productive, generous, precious, valuable, honourable, noble, All-Generous, Most Generous
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Man kana yureedu alAAizzata falillahi alAAizzatu jameeAAan ilayhi yasAAadu alkalimu alttayyibu waalAAamalu alssalihu yarfaAAuhu waallatheena yamkuroona alssayyi-ati lahum AAathabun shadeedun wamakru ola-ika huwa yabooru
Whoever desires the honor, then for Allah (is) the Honor all. To Him ascends the words good, and the deed righteous raises it. But those who plot the evil, for them (is) a punishment severe, and (the) plotting (of) those - it (will) perish.Ayn-Zay-Zay = mighty/potent/powerful/strong, noble/honourable/glorious, resisted/withstood, invincible, overcome (e.g. in argument), exalt, prevail, highly esteemed, precious, glory, "vanity", excellent, proud and hard manner, stern.
uzza - name of an idol of the pagan Arabs regarded by them as God's daughter.'Azza (prf. 3rd. m. sing. asim. V) Prevailed.
'Azzaznaa (prf. 1st. pl. II) We strengthened.
Tu'izzu (impf. 2nd. m. pl. II) thou honour, confer honour and dignity.
'Izzan (v. n.) source of strength.
'Izzatun (v. n.) vain pride, false prestige or sense of self respect, might honour, power.
Al-Aziizun (act. pic. m. sing.) All-Mighty, One of the names of Allah, Unassailable, invincible, powerful in evidences and arguments, strong, mighty, heavy (with 'alaa tell hard upon).
A'azzu (elative) more powerful, that occupies stronger and more respectable position.
A'izzatan (n. pl.) most respectable and powerful, its sing. is 'Aziiyun.5527
Wayabqa wajhu rabbika thoo aljalali waal-ikrami
But will remain (the) Face (of) your Lord, (the) Owner (of) Majesty and Honor.5578
Tabaraka ismu rabbika thee aljalali waal-ikrami
Blessed is (the) name (of) your Lord, Owner (of) Majesty and Honor.aljalali= Majesty
Jiim-Lam-Lam = To be thick/gross/coarse/rough, rugged/rude/big/bulky, to be great (in size or estimation or rank or dignity), independent, glorious, majestic, to be old or advanced in age, also to be young or not of fit age , firm or sound in judgement, to be eminent, noble or dignified, honourable, mighty, take the main part or portion of a thing, mount/ascend upon/cover a thing, to be exalted or magnificent, give much or many, to move about or shuffle a thing, sink or become depressed, sever/distressing/momentous/formidable.
Pluralis Majestasis
You said you were writing your own translation and you have been researching arabic and hebrew and have become somewhat of an expert.
Pluralis Excellentiae which is from ancient Hebrew grammar should be familiar to you?https//en.wikisource.org/wiki/Gesenius%27_Hebrew_Grammar/124._The_Various_Uses_of_the_Plural-form
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There's a portion of the Quran that speaks those closets to ALLAH and angels holding his throne. Also the book of revelations in the bible speaks of martyrs under his foot or something???
Just know we is most likely ALLAH giving command to his angels and the science and laws of our world are made with balance for set purposes. -
Salam,
From my understanding of 2217 "Indeed, those who have believed and those who were Jews and the Sabeans and the Christians and the Magians and those who associated with Allah - Allah will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection. Indeed Allah is, over all things, Witness."(meaning that in some way, shape or form, the revelations sent to these groups were from Allah). If we look at the Avestan(magian ) texts and the Vedic(Sabean and those who associated w/ Allah) texts, we may be able to glean a meaning.
In the Avestas, there is the concept of Ahura Madza(One of the Beautiful names/ the Avesta Equivalent of Allah) and his Seven Amesha Spenta( I believe that these correspond to Michael, Jibril and the other so-called ArchAngels) please see this info from wikipedia page for further information
Ahura Mazda Middle Persian Ohrmazd (NP Hrmuzd) is the only God.
Vohu Manah MP Wahman (NP Bahman) of cattle (and all animal creation)
A?a Vahi?ta MP Ardwahi?t (NP Urdbihi?t) of fire (and all other luminaries)
X?ara Vairya MP ?ahrewar, of metals (and minerals)
Spnta rmaiti MP Spandarmad, of earth
Haurvatt MP Hordd (NP Xurdd) of water(Harut)
Amrtt MP Amurdd (NP Murdd) of plants(Marut)https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amesha_Spenta
Only Allah truly knows, I'm interested in what everyone else's thoughts are.
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Hello the Quran rejects any equals to ALLAH he's the highest. Have you ever ran into any personal journals like the books of prophets from the king James bible that speak about the straying of people some books speak of war and wide spread fear and others simply speak of ingratitude.
This are journals kept to teach why some people make up things untrue in religion.Why would ALLAH have an equal? Or why does this group sugar cost blasphemy?
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Even my interpretation of Quran does not equal Rabb with us. Rabb encompasses everything, but we are a share of that everything.
In magnitude Rabb is far greater than me or you, but it is like a shared platform, symbiotic, and Rabb does not have any reason to refer to each share as "slave". Rabb can use affectionate addressing for us.
Be well
Amenuel -
Allah is mentioned in the quran 2662 times (according to quran code software). add each number to the corresponding number i.e 2+6+6+2 = 16. Then from each chapter read the 16th word starting from chronological order. This is what it comes up with
and truth partner recited disbelief by among you that (you) man worship we more
lord (god) they were (be, exist) with the inspirationusing google translate and almaany website
It seems a little confusing. But please do your own research and come up with an outcome. And please tell us what you have found or if the above message is correct or not. Allah knows best
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Salaam
Do you see in context clues that ALLAH sent an Angel to do the "we" part?
Compared to verse related to planning which usually don't contain we.Also defining "we" helps we who the party of ALLAH. Who's in the party of ALLAH? Do the angels count as believers? What part do you play?
Maybe ALLAH wishes to teach is to identify with the Quran?