New proofs (?) prove that PUNISHMENT IN THE GRAVE is REAL
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Peace lost INtheWORLD.
As I have already posted before,I believe Qoran does not support punishment in the grave idea!!!
Have a look at the followingAs I posted in The Quran Message Forum, I brought evidences who support the punishment in the Barzakh. Yourself, in this response, confirm it.
We learn that death is exactly like sleeping; complete with dreams (660, 4046). The period between death and resurrection passes like one night of sleep (2259; 660; 1045; 1621; 1811, 1819, 1825; 3055). ---> The fact that "The period between death and resurrection passes like one night of sleep" can be understandood differently, because as Barzakh is situed in a parallel dimension, the laws that govern it are different from this world. So a "night of sleep" can be in the Barzakh, for example, who know? as 15000 worldy years !
At the moment of death, everyone knows his or her destiny; Heaven or Hell.
For the disbelievers, death is a horrible event; the angels beat them on the faces and rear ends as they snatch away their souls (850, 4727, 791).Consistently, the Qoran talks about two deaths, the first death took place when we failed to make a stand with God's absolute authority (Appendix 7). That first death lasted until we were born into this world. The second death terminates our life in this world (228, 2266, 4011).
THE RIGHTEOUS DO NOT DIE; when their lives on this earth come to the predetermined end, the angel of death simply invites them to leave their earthly bodies and move on to Heaven. Heaven has been in existence since Adam and Eve. Hell does not exist yet. ---> Here you make two mistakes.
The first is that everyone, believer or disbeliever, will enter directly after his death into Barzakh. So the righteous wouldn't enter directly in the Heaven as you claim. Because the righteous will be enter in Paradise after the Judgment Day.
The second is that you claim that "disbelievers will be put to death ? a state of nothingness during which they see Hell day and night in a continuous nightmare that lasts until the Day of Judgment". But how they will see Hell if it is not created yet?
We learn from 8927-30 that God invites the believers' souls "Enter My Paradise."
Do not say of those who are killed in the cause of God, "They are dead." They are alive at their Lord, but you do not perceive.
O you who believe, you shall respond to God and to the messenger when he invites you to what gives you life.* You should know that God is closer to you than your heart, and that before Him you will be summoned.
Those who emigrate for the sake of God, then get killed, or die, God will surely shower them with good provisions. God is certainly the best Provider.
They do not taste death therein - beyond the first death - and He has spared them the retribution of Hell.
(At the time of his death) he was told, "Enter Paradise." He said, "Oh, I wish my people knew.
As for the disbelievers, they know at the moment of death that they are destined for Hell. The angels beat them up on the faces and rear ends (850 & 4727), order them to evict their souls (693), then "snatch their souls" (791).
The Qoran teaches that the disbelievers go through 2 deaths (228 & 4011). They will be put to death - a state of nothingness during which they see Hell day and night in a continuous nightmare that lasts until the Day of Judgment (4046). Hell is not yet in existence (4046, 8923). ---> As I told before, of course the Hell is already existing, how they will see a thing that is not created yet? It is a non-sense. However, even if you are right, although is not the case, this "nightmare" can be the alleged punishment in the grave. Thus, the disbelievers will experience, after all, a punishment, in form of nightmare, if you are true.
As far as people are concerned, the righteous "die." People do not realize that the righteous simply leave their bodies, and move on to Paradise. The verses shown above are self explanatory. They tell us that the righteous die only once - the one death we have already experienced as a consequence of the great feud (3869).
Of course Qoran advises everyone to check all information.
GOD bless you.
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Peace lostINtheWORLD..
I see "Barzakh as "once a person is dead ,there is no coming back to this life.". It is not a place!
Anyway I have given my take on "punishment in the grave". As far as Qoran is concerned there is no such a thing.
The proof you claim to exist is a misunderstanding of verses that never mention "punishment in the grave".
Also punishment is reserved after judgement day.
GOD bless you.
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Peace lostINtheWORLD..
I see "Barzakh as "once a person is dead ,there is no coming back to this life.". It is not a place!
Anyway I have given my take on "punishment in the grave". As far as Qoran is concerned there is no such a thing.
The proof you claim to exist is a misunderstanding of verses that never mention "punishment in the grave".
Also punishment is reserved after judgement day.
GOD bless you.
Peace.You makes serious mistakes, like the Hell doesn't exist yet, etc.
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Peace lostINtheWORLD.
Hell is not created yet. It will be created on the Day of Judgment (6917 & 8923)Your Lord dominion will be eight universes. Only seven exist now.Hell will be the eight.
There you go ,hell will be brought forth on that day.
Am I making a serious mistake,or is Qoran making a serious claim?
GOD bless you.
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the state of disbeleivers is like a court in which punishment is due but delayed so its a azab for him untill the day of punishment , a afraid, tenshen, depression, fear, hopefulness , as he already know what gonna happen with him, same a criminal is waiting for thee date of his "phansi" electric chair, or hanging him with rope
its not azab untill date come , azab/punishment started when he sit on that chair/hang till death.
same like grave , disbeleivers will have a sleep but not a sweet sleep that we have in our bedroom, the sleep is like we are sleeping in a cell/jail/qabar/grave whatever u interpret,
thats what the meanings of these verses people refer it to grave punishment its basically nighmare more than azab
the day of judgement is not established yet,
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the state of disbeleivers is like a court in which punishment is due but delayed so its a azab for him untill the day of punishment , a afraid, tenshen, depression, fear, hopefulness , as he already know what gonna happen with him, same a criminal is waiting for thee date of his "phansi" electric chair, or hanging him with rope
According to your logic, I'm already being in the barzakh...
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According to your logic, I'm already being in the barzakh...
its not according to me , who i am nothing more than a slave to my master ,
but if you feel ,afraid all the time about punishment and you already know you will be punished if not follow the master , then its you who make your life hell , its your character/thinking is responsible
make urself in heaven accept whatever Allah say then you will be relaxed atleast , in this life and herefafer is definate.
you are asking a question or situation a thief attempts to robbery , and thinking he will not get caught , if he is lucky he wont get catch by police or law but , there is one ultimate law , that will punish him , in this life he always afraid , anytime police can catch him , he is tensed, depressed afraid ,
but if he listen the law at first place he should not go for robbery,
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Peace,
Bodies of kafirs will be eaten by earth after burial that is what called as azaab alqabr!?!
Even then they are not going to feel the punishment as they don't have any senses.What is your source to pretend that they have any sense? Maybe physically, but not spiritually.
Thus, the soul will be suffer.
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Peace lost INtheWORLD.
As I have already posted before,I believe Qoran does not support punishment in the grave idea!!!
Have a look at the followingWe learn that death is exactly like sleeping; complete with dreams (660, 4046). The period between death and resurrection passes like one night of sleep (2259; 660; 1045; 1621; 1811, 1819, 1825; 3055).
At the moment of death, everyone knows his or her destiny; Heaven or Hell.
For the disbelievers, death is a horrible event; the angels beat them on the faces and rear ends as they snatch away their souls (850, 4727, 791).Consistently, the Qoran talks about two deaths, the first death took place when we failed to make a stand with God's absolute authority (Appendix 7). That first death lasted until we were born into this world. The second death terminates our life in this world (228, 2266, 4011).
THE RIGHTEOUS DO NOT DIE; when their lives on this earth come to the predetermined end, the angel of death simply invites them to leave their earthly bodies and move on to Heaven.
Heaven has been in existence since Adam and Eve. Hell does not exist yetWe learn from 8927-30 that God invites the believers' souls "Enter My Paradise."
Do not say of those who are killed in the cause of God, "They are dead." They are alive at their Lord, but you do not perceive.
O you who believe, you shall respond to God and to the messenger when he invites you to what gives you life.* You should know that God is closer to you than your heart, and that before Him you will be summoned.
Those who emigrate for the sake of God, then get killed, or die, God will surely shower them with good provisions. God is certainly the best Provider.
They do not taste death therein - beyond the first death - and He has spared them the retribution of Hell.
(At the time of his death) he was told, "Enter Paradise." He said, "Oh, I wish my people knew.
As for the disbelievers, they know at the moment of death that they are destined for Hell. The angels beat them up on the faces and rear ends (850 & 4727), order them to evict their souls (693), then "snatch their souls" (791).
The Qoran teaches that the disbelievers go through 2 deaths (228 & 4011). They will be put to death - a state of nothingness during which they see Hell day and night in a continuous nightmare that lasts until the Day of Judgment (4046). Hell is not yet in existence (4046, 8923).
As far as people are concerned, the righteous "die." People do not realize that the righteous simply leave their bodies, and move on to
Paradise. The verses shown above are self explanatory. They tell us that the righteous die only once - the one death we have already experienced as a consequence of the great feud (3869).Of course Qoran advises everyone to check all information.
GOD bless you.
Peace.Your response is totally demolished quoting only ONE verse
"Then , We would have made you taste double life and double death. Then you would not find for yourself against Us a helper" http//quran.com/17/75
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its not according to me , who i am nothing more than a slave to my master ,
but if you feel ,afraid all the time about punishment and you already know you will be punished if not follow the master , then its you who make your life hell , its your character/thinking is responsible
make urself in heaven accept whatever Allah say then you will be relaxed atleast , in this life and herefafer is definate.
you are asking a question or situation a thief attempts to robbery , and thinking he will not get caught , if he is lucky he wont get catch by police or law but , there is one ultimate law , that will punish him , in this life he always afraid , anytime police can catch him , he is tensed, depressed afraid ,
but if he listen the law at first place he should not go for robbery,
Forget all this Neo-Mu'tazili Philosophy.
"Then , We would have made you taste double life and double death. Then you would not find for yourself against Us a helper" http//quran.com/17/75
The double punishment after death is
1/ punishment in the barzakh
2/ punishment in the Judgment Day -
I cannot see in this aya 17.75 anything that speaks of barzakh or of a third term beides life and death. Inn this life he would suffer double and after death he would suffer double. There is no third element beside those two. And it is not unsusual in the qur'an to assert that eveil people will suffer unishmet or curse in this life and in the other.
Salaam
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I cannot see in this aya 17.75 anything that speaks of barzakh or of a third term beides life and death. Inn this life he would suffer double and after death he would suffer double. There is no third element beside those two. And it is not unsusual in the qur'an to assert that eveil people will suffer unishmet or curse in this life and in the other.
Salaam
"Then , We would have made you taste double life and double death. Then you would not find for yourself against Us a helper" http//quran.com/17/75
Double punishment AFTER the death.
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Of ocurse after death instead of sufferinng let us say 5 inn the pain sacale he suuffers 10 but it is still one punishment. By that logic the he would have to have two lives before death inn order to also suffer double punishment in this life. And you are mmissing whompletely the point, a poit which is made several times in the Qur'an which i the responsibility before God. A prophet, if he does right gets double (multiplied) reward and if he does wrong gets double punishment. It i very, very simple and not problematic at all. Same a the women of the prophet if they were guilty of fahisha got double punishment and nd double in the hereafter and so on.
Salaam
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Of ocurse after death instead of sufferinng let us say 5 inn the pain sacale he suuffers 10 but it is still one punishment. By that logic the he would have to have two lives before death inn order to also suffer double punishment in this life. And you are mmissing whompletely the point, a poit which is made several times in the Qur'an which i the responsibility before God. A prophet, if he does right gets double (multiplied) reward and if he does wrong gets double punishment. It i very, very simple and not problematic at all. Same a the women of the prophet if they were guilty of fahisha got double punishment and nd double in the hereafter and so on.
Salaam
This is only speculation.
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I have good laughs with you. it is the pan calling th ekettle black.
Salaam
Claro ejem, ahora usted me viene con lo de "la sart?n le dijo al cazo".
You have not intelligent answers to counter-argument.
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http//www.authentictauheed.com/2013/07/485-punishment-of-grave.html
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I have good laughs with you. it is the pan calling th ekettle black.
Salaam
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Then how when the angels take them in death, striking their faces and their backs? (47, 27)
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"And if you could but see when the angels take the souls of those who disbelieved... They are striking their faces and their backs and , "Taste the punishment of the Burning Fire" (8, 50)
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The Fire; they are exposed to it, morning and afternoon, and on the Day when the Hour will be established (it will be said to the angels) "Cause Fir'aun's (Pharaoh) people to enter the severest torment!" (40, 46)
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We shall punish them twice, and thereafter they shall be brought back to a great (horrible) torment. (9, 101)
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