Good is from Allah, Bad is from yourself ?
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Yes of course, Recluse, the interpretation is not correct and the medieval interpreters were fabricating something to cover up the passages to confirm their doctrine and dogma. In fact they did not know what the language said.
The consequence is contradiction even if they made a big effort at making it appear seamless.
I can give you a truckload of passages which cause logical inconsistency and nonsensical inferences.
There is one passage that has a certain topic and the suddenly it jumps to "do not kill yourselves" to directly jump back to the previous topic. That is a literary goof.
If people were honest to themselves they would reflect upon all the nonsense, but they do not.
Both good and bad is from Rabb (God) of course, but what leads to the good versus bad is from oneself, i.e. one faces the consequences of their deeds.
Be well
Amenuel -
If a young person is afflicted by something, such as blindness or worse, this is because of them facing the consequences of their deeds... but from another life. Each time a body dies and you do not go to "Heaven" you experience a reset and you are in a body once more. Bingo. You have Jahennom, the "attachment to flesh" experience and which is recurring unless you solve your situation.
The choice to release someone is entirely up to Rabb, He "picks the ripe fruit" including their seed, but lets the immature drop down again to the ground. It is like heavenly birds coming to eat the fruit including its seed to then leave for another place, somewhere faaar away and better instead of the fruit dropping to the ground and another tree is growing in the same soil and history repeats itself.
And the inspiration to write that just came. Those who got wits about them better pay attention.
Rabb deems people praiseworthy for passing the test and is welcoming them into the realm which is already at hand. The gate inside is open already before the interim is over and, in addition, if it is not joined until then it will not happen. Being able to recognize the imposed contradiction of a world and also taking action against the delusion is a great merit. The World was made to corrupt and consume us, intentionally.
Good night.
Be well
Amenuel -
I can give you a truckload of passages which cause logical inconsistency and nonsensical inferences.
Hi, MoF,
I find that there are inconsistent verses about predestination and free will for example, they seem to be in conflict (?)
If there is a previous thread about such inconsistencies in the Qur'an, I would appreciate if you or someone else could give me the link.
Peace,
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If a young person is afflicted by something, such as blindness or worse, this is because of them facing the consequences of their deeds... but from another life. Each time a body dies and you do not go to "Heaven" you experience a reset and you are in a body once more. Bingo. You have Jahennom, the "attachment to flesh" experience and which is recurring unless you solve your situation.
The choice to release someone is entirely up to Rabb, He "picks the ripe fruit" including their seed, but lets the immature drop down again to the ground. It is like heavenly birds coming to eat the fruit including its seed to then leave for another place, somewhere faaar away and better instead of the fruit dropping to the ground and another tree is growing in the same soil and history repeats itself.
And the inspiration to write that just came. Those who got wits about them better pay attention.
Rabb deems people praiseworthy for passing the test and is welcoming them into the realm which is already at hand. The gate inside is open already before the interim is over and, in addition, if it is not joined until then it will not happen. Being able to recognize the imposed contradiction of a world and also taking action against the delusion is a great merit. The World was made to corrupt and consume us, intentionally.
Good night.
Be well
AmenuelMaybe .. or maybe not, we don't really know.
Good night to you to..
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The verse coming before this says this is what people used to say
Wherever you be will overtake you death even if you are in towers lofty. And if befalls them any good they say, "This (is) from Allah," And if befalls them any evil they say, "This (is) from you." Say, "All (is) from Allah." So what (is wrong) (with) these people, they do not seem (to) understand any statement.478
This is the truth from the verse
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Not knowing? A form of what I wrote is in the real interpretation of Quran and I felt I articulated myself well previously.
Of course it requires people to have faith that it is correct.
Hints at its correctness is in the Bible among distorted verses. "I am who am I" and "I am in the Father and the Father in me" are examples of such.
In Quran its refrain is "La elah ila allah". It is supposed to mean similarly. The only difference is that it is in third-person of the above.
Be well
Amenuel -
Actually the two verses contradict each other, reel, they cause inconsistency. The articulation is not perfect.
All is from God, but the next passage says bad is from yourself.
The alleged say command in the interpretation is for "all is from God", but subsequently it says bad is from yourself. That is not logical and hence inconsistent.
The correct answer is obviously that everything is God.
Be well
Amenuel -
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All is from Allah - statement of fact.
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Bad is from you/me/us/humankind - ?? given the 1st statement, the 2nd statement can only be true if the 'bad' is our perception of events/things. It is our perception that labels something as 'bad'. This is also a lesson for us to think positive of every event that befall not only for those events that seemingly are positive but may not be good for us. Thus, freedom given to us is 100% when it comes to our perception of things and events (thus freedom of choice) but in terms of physical action we are limited by what we are given.
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Although, if you have done good the goodness is a positive consequence of your action and if you have done bad the badness is a negative consequence of your action.
The good is from God and the bad from God as the platform of existence, but you are yourself forming your destiny. You cannot blame God. Putting the blame on God is something that many people who believe in predestination mistakenly do in their inconsistent reasoning.
Be well
Amenuel -
Not knowing? A form of what I wrote is in the real interpretation of Quran and I felt I articulated myself well previously.
Of course it requires people to have faith that it is correct.
Hints at its correctness is in the Bible among distorted verses. "I am who am I" and "I am in the Father and the Father in me" are examples of such.
In Quran its refrain is "La elah ila allah". It is supposed to mean similarly. The only difference is that it is in third-person of the above.
Be well
AmenuelAre you referring to reincarnation?
I have no opinion on that, as it's something I can't possibly know.
Have to go now.
Peace,
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Salaam
I consider this verse before
Think about this the Quran tells us everything we should be doing even which directions we should be facing before we start doing these actions.
What your mind should be on and what you should wear
These are usually the reason bad things happen to us. We disobeyed
I like how it's so perfect that we are always at fault.
There is no way to blame ALLAH.
It's like we live in jean wilder's wonka factory
Lol I'm thinking about the songs he sung and imagining that the gobstopper was the message of ALLAHLol imagine if the golden ticket was their shahada?
Well ALLAH says take with you good conduct if only those kids took with them good conduct....
Recluse, great topic
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Actually the two verses contradict each other, reel, they cause inconsistency. The articulation is not perfect.
All is from God, but the next passage says bad is from yourself.
The alleged say command in the interpretation is for "all is from God", but subsequently it says bad is from yourself. That is not logical and hence inconsistent.
The correct answer is obviously that everything is God.
Be well
AmenuelA member's explanation below. Ignore his criticism about another member.
Enquirer, its sad that you don't know but even sadder that you dont WANT to know. You're hell-bent on proving the quran wrong which stops you from even READING the verses.
Here's the explanation for you
4.78 uses the phrase 'qul kullun min AAindi Allahi '. It doesn't say 'say everything is from ALLAH' but 'everything is from AAINDA Allah'. If you 'rational' (sic) analysis was even a little credible, you'd know that this word shows its part of Allah's Will, like al-islaam is ad-deen AAINDA Allah.
4.79 speaks of the nafs, i.e. the centre of perception, feelings, emotions. This is why the verse says 'ma asabaka min sayyiat FAMIN nafsikka, i.e. its our nafs which says something is 'bad'.
This is why I asked you about the nafs. Sadly, with the superficiality of your analysis doubled with the arrogance of your intention to sentence al-quraan, you don't want to even look at it. It's not 'childish' to ask for a detailed analysis with the actual text rather than 'versions' and coming up with 'far-fetched' nonsense.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=11757.msg81988#msg81988