Inheritance according to Qur?an
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Yes I question nearly everything.
In the common interpretation clearly women have a disadvantage in terms of inheritance.
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The problem is not "wrong interpretation", but our own attitude towards this book called Qur'an. And the disadvantage of women is not only related to inheritance of course; women are mere posessions of men according to the Qur'an.. because that was the reality back then. It still is the reality in the Persian Gulf, and in parts of Pakistan, Egypt and many other countries. So when it comes to women, I think we can all agree that Saudis are the best 'Muslims' in this respect..
Peace
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Yes I question nearly everything.
Why shouldn't we question everything? Why has the Creator given us these amazing faculties called mind, intellect and conscience, if we are not supposed to use them, or question/ponder about everything in life?
If we are sincerely seeking the truth and asking sincere questions, why would a merciful God throw us into Hell? Even if we made certain mistakes or arrived to certain wrong conclusions in our sincere quest for truth? Blind belief and acceptance of anything is the easiest thing in the world to do, blind belief or acceptance is not a virtue, and it does not benefit us, God or anyone else...
Any fool can do that, just shut off your intellect and conscience. If a real "prophet" came today many people on this forum would blindly reject him and tell him that they will only follow what their forefathers have been following for 1400 years. They would call that prophet a kafir/infidel...
Peace
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If a real "prophet" came today many people on this forum would blindly reject him and tell him that they will only follow what their forefathers have been following for 1400 years. They would call that prophet a kafir/infidel...
Yes, they do.
Be safe
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And it seems only to deal with fiscal matter as it clumsily partitions a greater deal to males as if money is all that is worth anything.
So indeed, you, who question everything, are indeed buying he arrangement made to the Qur'an done male rule through some centuries ad take it as unchallenged law.
So, indeed, your attitude is not better than that of themany you criticize for taking for granted the views elaborated by humans and diregarding the real wording of the Qur'an. Youcertify their sayings. But the text on inheritance to males and females is indeed very straightforward, the anilulation too obvious to see, but still you cling to it, something that is doneby many who blame the Qur0nfor saying this or tht but that if somebody refutes that "this or that" and shows this or that but somethig quite different, get vary angry and cling to the worst interpretaci?n that can be had.
Not that it surprises me.
Salaam
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Are you dealing with rhetorics or joking or did you not read my post or think about my stance, huruf?
I disprove of the interpretation you claim I do. You likely misinterpreted my words.
What surprises you? I have sound arguments, do I not? Point out any logical fallacy please.
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Redundant post.
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The problem is not "wrong interpretation", but our own attitude towards this book called Qur'an. And the disadvantage of women is not only related to inheritance of course; women are mere posessions of men according to the Qur'an.. because that was the reality back then. It still is the reality in the Persian Gulf, and in parts of Pakistan, Egypt and many other countries. So when it comes to women, I think we can all agree that Saudis are the best 'Muslims' in this respect..
Women aren't mere possessions of men, off topic spamming thread.
I disagree -- Saudis are most ignorant and clueless about the book.
It is straight forward women are not disadvantaged on inheritance.411 instructs you the god in offspring yours to the male (i.e. gender) similitude apportion the two (females)
1/2 two daughters (1/4 each); 1/2 two sons (1/4 each)
1/2 two daughters (1/4 each); 1/2 three sons (1/6 each)so if be/are (feminine pl.) nisan/womenfolk fawqa/above two so for them third dual (1/3 x 2 = 2/3) what left
2/3 three daughters (2/9 each); 1/3 two sons (1/6 each)
2/3 three daughters (2/9 each); 1/3 three sons (1/9 each)2/3 four daughters (1/6 each); 1/3 two sons (1/6 each)
2/3 four daughters (1/6 each); 1/3 three sons (1/9 each)and if knat/be she one so for her the half
1/2 daughter; 1/2 son
1/2 daughter; 1/2 two sons (1/4 each)
1/2 daughter; 1/2 three sons (1/6 each)4176 seek ruling your say the god gives ruling you in/concerning al-kalala (the sibling heir; no spouse; no child) if person perished not is for said person offspring and for said person sister so for her half what left and he inherits her if not that be for her offspring
1/2 sister; 1/2 brother
1/2 sister; 1/2 two brothers (1/4 each)
1/2 sister; 1/2 three brothers (1/6 each)so if knat/be dual ith'natayni/two (females) so to them dual the third each (1/3 + 1/3 = 2/3) from what left
2/3 two sisters (1/3 each); 1/3 brother
2/3 two sisters (1/3 each); 1/3 two brothers (1/6 each)
2/3 two sisters (1/3 each); 1/3 three brothers (1/9 each)and if be they of ikh'watan/siblings rijlan/menfolk of wanisan/and womenfolk (3+ sisters) so to the male similitude apportion al-unthayayni/the two (females)
3/5 three sisters (1/5 each); 2/5 two brothers (1/5 each)
3/5 three sisters (1/5 each); 2/5 three brothers (2/15 each)
3/5 three sisters (1/5 each); 2/5 four brothers (1/10 each)2/3 four sisters (1/6 each); 1/3 two brothers (1/6 each)
2/3 four sisters (1/6 each); 1/3 three brothers (1/9 each)
2/3 four sisters (1/6 each); 1/3 four brothers (1/12 each)shows the god for you lest stray ye of and the god in every thing knower
See complete summary...
Also like to ask posters to stay on topic; thread is on inheritance verses according to Qur'an not about self doubt, futility, or opinions on how to divide wealth etc., perhaps open different topic, this thread is long enough already...
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Peace
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And it seems only to deal with fiscal matter as it clumsily partitions a greater deal to males as if money is all that is worth anything.
Yo said that in your mail. Frothat I understand that you are attributing to the Qur'an favouring males over females. But the Qur'an does ot do so, however since the time of he abasids the jurisprudence has twisted the clear an straightforward words of th Qur'an to inject into a it asumptions and conjecctures that are not there, and if you say that the Qur'an favours males then you are doing the same.
If it is not that what you meant, make it clear because Icould not fet any other thing from what you wrote.
Salaam
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Yo said that in your mail. Frothat I understand that you are attributing to the Qur'an favouring males over females. But the Qur'an does ot do so, however since the time of he abasids the jurisprudence has twisted the clear an straightforward words of th Qur'an to inject into a it asumptions and conjecctures that are not there, and if you say that the Qur'an favours males then you are doing the same.
If it is not that what you meant, make it clear because Icould not fet any other thing from what you wrote.
Salaam
The Qur'an is most definitely treating females like objects of men... they are to always "obey" their husbands, they can even be beaten, they get less inheritance than men, they are not equal witnesses in court and so on and so forth. Come on Huruf, be honest with yourself. I'm sure God loves honesty, don't you think
Peace
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Peace Recluse.
May be according to your understanding ,you may say this
The Qur'an is most definitely treating females like objects of men... they are to always "obey" their husbands, they can even be beaten, they get less inheritance than men, they are not equal witnesses in court and so on and so forth. Come on Huruf, be honest with yourself. I'm sure God loves honesty, don't you think
According to my understanding, it is you who is not honest with GOD s words. Qoran never implies what you say. GOD is fair and just.
Those who take words /verses out of context are telling lies about GOD, and you are not checking properly.
Be fair to Qoran and study it with honesty and sincerity . Do not take what others say about it as truth!!!GOD bless you.
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The Qur'an is most definitely treating females like objects of men... they are to always "obey" their husbands, they can even be beaten, they get less inheritance than men, they are not equal witnesses in court and so on and so forth. Come on Huruf, be honest with yourself. I'm sure God loves honesty, don't you think
Peace
You do need the Qur'an to be awful and you do need that somebody in your place (eg. the Qur'an) bashes women so that you can come up as a redeemr of them.
You seem to me one more run of the mill Qur'an and women hater that attempts to play the Qur'an against women and the women against the Qur'an and to present himself as a redeemer of women in the face of the horrible, tyranical Qur'an.
That is your problem, not the problem of the Qur'an and you parade too much your lack of knowledge of it. the only arguments you seem to be able to use are to repeat ad nauseam that the Qur'an does this and does that. Your word. In that you are exactly like the Muslim bigots, who have their males club and do not want anybody to shake their little arrangment.
If you were sincere, you would be very, very happy to know or to realise that the Qur'an indeed is not like the sick figment you are made to believe. But not only you are not happy with that, you get angry and fight with feet and claws in order to impose that the Qur'an is evil. You prefer an evil Qur'an rather than a sincere and upright Qur'an and you fight so that people do not find any good in the Qur'an.
As far as I am concerned if what you want is what you seem to want you are miserably failing The Qur'an is good, it is up to date and up to sincere peoples hearts and all your venom does not make a dent in its truthfulness. and its pull on upright people.
Salaam
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Peace Recluse.
May be according to your understanding ,you may say this
The Qur'an is most definitely treating females like objects of men... they are to always "obey" their husbands, they can even be beaten, they get less inheritance than men, they are not equal witnesses in court and so on and so forth. Come on Huruf, be honest with yourself. I'm sure God loves honesty, don't you think
According to my understanding, it is you who is not honest with GOD s words. Qoran never implies what you say. GOD is fair and just.
Those who take words /verses out of context are telling lies about GOD, and you are not checking properly.
Be fair to Qoran and study it with honesty and sincerity . Do not take what others say about it as truth!!!GOD bless you.
Peace.There is a lot of clinging at straws dressing them up as sequoias in order to defame the Qur'an and in that, not surprisingly, the apparent extremes go hand in hand.
Salaam, good logic.
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Women aren't mere possessions of men, off topic spamming thread.
I disagree -- Saudis are most ignorant and clueless about the book.
It is straight forward women are not disadvantaged on inheritance.411 instructs you the god in offspring yours to the male (i.e. gender) similitude apportion the two (females)
1/2 two daughters (1/4 each); 1/2 two sons (1/4 each)
1/2 two daughters (1/4 each); 1/2 three sons (1/6 each)so if be/are (feminine pl.) nisan/womenfolk fawqa/above two so for them third dual (1/3 x 2 = 2/3) what left
2/3 three daughters (2/9 each); 1/3 two sons (1/6 each)
2/3 three daughters (2/9 each); 1/3 three sons (1/9 each)2/3 four daughters (1/6 each); 1/3 two sons (1/6 each)
2/3 four daughters (1/6 each); 1/3 three sons (1/9 each)and if knat/be she one so for her the half
1/2 daughter; 1/2 son
1/2 daughter; 1/2 two sons (1/4 each)
1/2 daughter; 1/2 three sons (1/6 each)4176 seek ruling your say the god gives ruling you in/concerning al-kalala (the sibling heir; no spouse; no child) if person perished not is for said person offspring and for said person sister so for her half what left and he inherits her if not that be for her offspring
1/2 sister; 1/2 brother
1/2 sister; 1/2 two brothers (1/4 each)
1/2 sister; 1/2 three brothers (1/6 each)so if knat/be dual ith'natayni/two (females) so to them dual the third each (1/3 + 1/3 = 2/3) from what left
2/3 two sisters (1/3 each); 1/3 brother
2/3 two sisters (1/3 each); 1/3 two brothers (1/6 each)
2/3 two sisters (1/3 each); 1/3 three brothers (1/9 each)and if be they of ikh'watan/siblings rijlan/menfolk of wanisan/and womenfolk (3+ sisters) so to the male similitude apportion al-unthayayni/the two (females)
3/5 three sisters (1/5 each); 2/5 two brothers (1/5 each)
3/5 three sisters (1/5 each); 2/5 three brothers (2/15 each)
3/5 three sisters (1/5 each); 2/5 four brothers (1/10 each)2/3 four sisters (1/6 each); 1/3 two brothers (1/6 each)
2/3 four sisters (1/6 each); 1/3 three brothers (1/9 each)
2/3 four sisters (1/6 each); 1/3 four brothers (1/12 each)shows the god for you lest stray ye of and the god in every thing knower
See complete summary...
Peace
Indeed this seems like some spaming of the thread, sorry for my part, I hope it stops without going further.
Salaam
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You do need the Qur'an to be awful and you do need that somebody in your place (eg. the Qur'an) bashes women so that you can come up as a redeemr of them.
You seem to me one more run of the mill Qur'an and women hater that attempts to play the Qur'an against women and the women against the Qur'an and to present himself as a redeemer of women in the face of the horrible, tyranical Qur'an.
That is your problem, not the problem of the Qur'an and you parade too much your lack of knowledge of it. the only arguments you seem to be able to use are to repeat ad nauseam that the Qur'an does this and does that. Your word. In that you are exactly like the Muslim bigots, who have their males club and do not want anybody to shake their little arrangment.
If you were sincere, you would be very, very happy to know or to realise that the Qur'an indeed is not like the sick figment you are made to believe. But not only you are not happy with that, you get angry and fight with feet and claws in order to impose that the Qur'an is evil. You prefer an evil Qur'an rather than a sincere and upright Qur'an and you fight so that people do not find any good in the Qur'an.
As far as I am concerned if what you want is what you seem to want you are miserably failing The Qur'an is good, it is up to date and up to sincere peoples hearts and all your venom does not make a dent in its truthfulness. and its pull on upright people.
Salaam
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I'm left speechless by this overly emotional and completely nonsensical rant...
I can absolutely guarantee, and I'm certain that my Creator knows it too, that I'm more sincere and truthful than you are. Sincerity and truth most certainly does not seem to be among your priorities in life... as any objective person on this forum can clearly observe....
And no, the Qur'an is not what you think it is; it's not universal and it is far from "perfect"...
That is your emotion, your blind faith that is speaking...
It has no connection to truth, but if thinking that truly makes you feel better, or makes you believe that it will grant you eternal Heaven, then continue to think like that... it doesn't harm me.. although I definitely wouldn't want to live in a country that is ruled by people with your medieval Arab mindset..
Salaam to you to.
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Huruf,
I think you are confusing me with someone else who has written to you or you gravely misinterpreted what I have made written. And you seem to have missed a truckload of posts I have made in the forum. I am probably one of the most gender neutral in the whole forum, in fact I argue that the Nafs is genderless but one is female or male in the flesh.
In addition you seem to have ignored everything I wrote in the post you attacked as it goes straight against what the sectarian interpretation of Quran says, i.e. an even distribution of inheritance to daughters, also with argument that it is no excuse to say the daughters do not have families to provide for as they also have husbands. And a son could be without wife and the daughter with her husband could need provisions much more than the son.
You also missed that I wrote man and woman is as one body. Obviously this implies a distribution of 50% - 50% within the soul bonding. If the woman is the man and the man is the woman then none of the sexes have a lower value.
Following that reasoning, there is absolutely no reason to distribute less inheritance to the daughters.
If a daughter is single and lives alone she requires just as much money to her living as the son, meaning there is no reason to distribute her with less inheritance due to her physical sex.
So no matter if the woman has a husband or not she will inherit just as much as a man, because if she is bonded she is both man and woman in her husband. No reason either way to deprive her of inheritance.
And inheritance is easy, one shares inheritance within the family branch, so a mother and father do leave behind their things for the children to inherit just as they provided for the children will their children provide for the next generation of children.
And your siblings have no reason to eat up your legacy unless you liked it to be so.
Be well
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Peace Recluse.
May be according to your understanding ,you may say this
The Qur'an is most definitely treating females like objects of men... they are to always "obey" their husbands, they can even be beaten, they get less inheritance than men, they are not equal witnesses in court and so on and so forth. Come on Huruf, be honest with yourself. I'm sure God loves honesty, don't you think
According to my understanding, it is you who is not honest with GOD s words. Qoran never implies what you say. GOD is fair and just.
Those who take words /verses out of context are telling lies about GOD, and you are not checking properly.
Be fair to Qoran and study it with honesty and sincerity . Do not take what others say about it as truth!!!GOD bless you.
Peace.Peace good logic,
The Qur'an definitely says all those things I mentioned, all the 'ulema' and 'fukaha' throughout the entire history of Islam have agreed - including the prophet's closest companions!! They were the receivers of those messages, not you or anyone else here on free-minds.org... So you think the prophet, his closest companions and all the "ulema" and "fukaha"and all the schools of thought knew absolutely nothing and were just making things up for 1400 years until recently? Or were they all liars, every single 'alim' in the entire history of Islam was an impostor?
Only recently have some "modernists" come into the picture trying to make the Qur'an more "palatable" for people in the 21st century. With good intentions obviously, but flawed logic... it's extremely hard for people to accept the "horrible truth" that the Qur'an was directly addressing the Arabs in Arabia 1400 years ago and their own unique problems... that's why it's impossible to take the Qur'an literally or treat it as a book of law for eternity...
Peace.
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Man o Faith
I don't have ay questionwith what you yourself say and you say it, but that was not he matter of may post ad you are igoring my pos. Say whateve ryou want I have n quarrel with it, but you said that The Qur'an favours males over females, I do not care what you favour but if you say that the Qur'an favors males over females that is what I question and I say that you are worng and yu have not deied that you have said that.
That is the question, so not about what you say I have spoken but about what you say the qur'an says, which is false.
Salaam