The creation of the heavens and the Earth
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Peace Sushi.
You will be right if you said Heaven exists. You will be able to confirm from Qoran{235}
But you show me a verse to confirm your claim that hell exists?
Peace.
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@ hawk 99
i can understand , even if we remember God , it takes let say one second to remeber God.
why one second if he is omnipresent.
why 50000 1000 one second 15 seconds doesnt matter , all the time its angels humans or other things that do their works in the frame of time becoz we have limits,
at the first place stops question is illogical as he expect God to travel or he want to hold God in space time qualities , whenever God address something its cannot apply on God , God is ultimate law and he have power over all things , all things depend on him , God dnt depend on anything including time.
God is free of need,and its angels human who need time to travel , so subject is human and other beings , so subject apply to them regarding time , not to God
example did this verse or any verse claim that ,, God take 50000 years to reach to angels,
God travel more than the speed of light,
God is tired after doing hard work of creating this massive universe...NOTE
brother hawk never give up.. specially in the matters of faith, ur end response can discourage believers, -
Imran,
There is absolutely no need for God to travel at all, God is everywhere at the same time. No angels would have to travel either because they are not bound to the physical.
Be well
Amenuel -
'Stops' arguments are perfectly sound.
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Imran,
There is absolutely no need for God to travel at all, God is everywhere at the same time. No angels would have to travel either because they are not bound to the physical.
Be well
AmenuelPICKTHALL
(Whereby) the angels and the Spirit ascend unto Him in a Day whereof the span is fifty thousand years.SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
The angels and the Spirit will ascend to Him during a Day the extent of which is fifty thousand years.YUSUF ALI
The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a Day the measure whereof is (as) fifty thousand years chapter 70 verse 4peace mof,
i want you to interprete this verse whatever understanding you have regarding to your interpretation, then we will proceed talking,God bless you.
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Do you honestly believe in that nonsense?
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Do you honestly believe in that nonsense?
thats what i m saying , arabic wordly meanings are like this , anyway thats what i ask from you, in your understanding how will we encounter these verses,
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Imran,
You would have to do a deep-down investigation of the words in ancient lexicons and see if they have an alternative etymological origin in conjunction with a check against the literal language of the verse. You would also need to check if ALL words used are truly understood properly including grammar words deemed as unquestionable and obvious.
It is a huge project.
Be well
Amenuel -
Do you honestly believe in that nonsense?
I dont know what is "that nonsense" you are talking about MOF
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PICKTHALL
(Whereby) the angels and the Spirit ascend unto Him in a Day whereof the span is fifty thousand years.SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
The angels and the Spirit will ascend to Him during a Day the extent of which is fifty thousand years.YUSUF ALI
The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a Day the measure whereof is (as) fifty thousand years chapter 70 verse 4peace mof,
i want you to interprete this verse whatever understanding you have regarding to your interpretation, then we will proceed talking,God bless you.
I think you got him ,Imran .Good thinking bravo
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Parvez,
So you claim Allah/God/Rabb has a location to travel to? So God could be like the man on the moon?
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@ pervez , my brother my attentions are not to got somebody its not a race or competetion we all are brother and come here on this forum to make our understanding more clear about concepts, peace.
@mof , i can understand what you are trying to say but i m asking an experty advise becoz you know well about these types of interpretation so i need your help to understand these verses, that what i m asking from you just interpret it for me , just for understanding and finding a way out how to encounter all these things which can confuse our understanding, it will be very useful for me,
peace
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I like this post
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604670.msg314093#msg314093peace,
i like that post as well, i have similar understanding, but in the view of ideas everybody can have a right to put their ideas and then calculate results honestly , so that what i was asking from MOF bender and everybody to present their ideas , becoz what i understand they consider angles beings differently what majority believes ,
peace.
