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What is "islam"?

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    Taro_Hiroshi
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    Peace Abdelilah and everyone,

    Peacemaking is not the meaningless proper name of some Arab religion. It is an action that humans must do to meet their obligation to the god and fulfill the trust that they were entrusted with

    You might be right when you say that islam is not the meaningless proper name of some Arab religion.

    Quran 385 If anyone seeks a Deen other than complete devotion to God, it will not be accepted from him he will be one of the losers in the Hereafter.

    Quran 262 VERILY, those who have attained to faith , as well as those who follow the Jewish faith, and the Christians, and the Sabians -all who believe in God and the Last Day and do righteous deeds-shall have their reward with their Sustainer; and no fear need they have, and neither shall they grieve.

    In verse 385 above, the Quran suggests that no Deen other than islam will be accepted from humankind. But in verse 262 above, the Quran suggests that Jews, Nazarenes (Christians), Sabians and people who follow other faiths/beliefs, will be rewarded in the next life. In other words, Judaism, Christanity, Sabianism and other faiths/beliefs will be accepted in the next life. How is this possible? Is there a contradiction between the message in verse 385 and verse 262? Or does the Quran suggest that the word deen doesn't mean religion and that the word islam is not the proper name of some arab religion? And is the Quran suggesting that it is possible to follow Judaism, Christanity, Sabianism or other faiths/beliefs and still be a muslim? If the word deen doesn't mean religion, then what does it mean? Has the word deen been mistranslated by past scholars? Does the word deen mean a "way of life"? And if islam isn't the proper name of some Arab religion, but is a common noun which means peacemaking, does this mean that it is possible to be a Jew, a Christian or a Sabian and at the same time be a muslim (peacemaker)? These questions are worth pondering upon, in my opinion.

    Personally, I am not fully convinced that the word islam only means peacemaking. And I am not fully convinced that the word muslim only means peacemaker. I am open to the idea that the word islam means Peacemaking. And I am open to the idea that the word muslim means peacemaker. But I also think that the word islam and the word muslim has other meanings. I believe that one of the meanings of the word islam is self-surrender/submission. And I believe that one of the meanings of the word muslim is self-surrenderer/submitter.

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      Man_of_Faith
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      If you like to know what Islam is then look for its Semitic root.

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        fye
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        Abrahamic monotheism prophet Abraham is the founder of Islam it's only proper to name it after it's founder.
        Or prophet Abraham's version of monotheism. Like prophet jesus' version of monotheism.
        It's all monotheism one God one theory of creation
        But Islam is prophet Abraham's monotheism. Even sounds like what he named his son who helped build the kabba Ishmael. Or was is isacc?
        Will it's is- what does lam mean?
        Sa-lam means peace so is-lam can't simply mean peace can it?
        Arabic is to mathematical it is well balances like the 0-9 number system which came from the arabs.

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          Man_of_Faith
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          Salam is widely known to come from the root (Siin-Lam-Miim) and it means that something is in harmony, sound, in great balance. What is not widely known is that the root goes further to (Siin-Lam-Waw) which means consolation, comfort, harmony, i.e. has a very close connection to Salam. The Miim in Salam is just a closing suffix indicating condition and another example of word with the same ending is Jahennom where the Miim also gives condition (the word briefly means "in attachment to the bodily&quot.

          Salam abstractly means to be in exaltation, nothing which is shattering one's spirit. To be whole is a way of seeing it in English.

          Be well
          Amenuel

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            fye
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            Oh right Mof do you know what the is- prefix is? It's in Ishmael, Islam, isacc so I'm guessing it may be a root word? Seeing as these things are named by the same person prophet Abraham.
            What language is this from?

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              Yosemite
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              it certainly isn't modern western marxism/socialism

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                Man_of_Faith
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                Oh right Mof do you know what the is- prefix is? It's in Ishmael, Islam, isacc so I'm guessing it may be a root word? Seeing as these things are named by the same person prophet Abraham.

                Your conclusion concerning Abraham's choice of names for his sons is logically sound, he did surely have an intention with the choice, but Is- is not a prefix or root, the Alif is the prefix while the rest of the word is part of the root, such as (Siin-Miim-Ayn) in the case of Ismael which means 'the Hearer' or more properly 'the Hearkener' (as in you take in information and process it). His name ends with Lam and like Amenuel it is in relationship to Allah as you are Such As, you can comprehend like Who Is (God/Rabb). Amenuel means 'who has such integrity' (is realized that way) and certain Jewish scholars interpreted it slightly inaccurately as 'God is with us'. While it is not a false statement it is not linguistically accurate and 'God is in him' is in that case more appropriate in order to philosophically explain the phenomenon. Asmael's name thus means 'who hearkens (grasps unto/takes in) like (Him)'.

                Many ancient Semitic names end in Lam for a similar reason because they gave an attribute of God/Rabb to their children in order for them to imitate their God/Rabb.

                As for your Islam the word is and Alif is the prefix and is the root, and salam means sound, in good condition. (al-selam) is about being in harmony with your soul, the word is an adjective which you attribute to a subject alternatively an object. Salam, the word, is hardly anything that Abraham invented and it is a word with a very old origin. Its morphological meaning is "Spirit (as) Such Thereof" which is in relationship to God/Rabb, all Semitic roots point back to God/Rabb as it was God/Rabb who invented Arabic and Aramaic with their letter system. Basically the word means that you are rock solid in terms of soundness and unbroken, e.g. you are whole.

                Of course there has to be a reason why Abraham chose just Asmael and Ashaq for his two sons, one probably being that the Siin in his sons' names relates to the Spirit just as the Siin does in Selam, but the Alif is still a prefix to the root. Ashaq's name means distant and remote in a positive light like being way distanced from something with the thought of Abraham likely being remote to the relationship to this world. Obviously Abraham wished for his sons to find God/Rabb's Spirit in them and act accordingly to that realization.

                What language is this from?

                Arabic and Aramaic, Semitic root authentic languages, they share the same roots because the letters mean the same irrelevant of which language that uses them authentically and only the grammar differentiates them.

                Be well
                Amenuel

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                  fye
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                  Al-Salem???
                  Why is the "I" in English?
                  Is the s pronounced "sah"?
                  Alam, Alamo, alarm
                  Words that sound similar? Any of these words have similar meaning?

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                    Man_of_Faith
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                    What do you mean with "Why is the "l" in English"? The word is Al-selam and it is spelled in Arabic.

                    The real pronunciation is See or Si as the letter used is Seen.

                    English cannot be compared with these Semitic languages due to their structure.

                    Be well
                    Amenuel

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                      fye
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                      Mof question is Arabic not a language made of many words from other languages like English?
                      I know very little about Arabic.

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