No God Exists: Why Should I Be Good to humans?
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It does not have to do with religious conviction but about the affection of the Homo Sapiens body and its influence on the superior Spirit seed of us which in many cases remain undeveloped.
In that sense, most animals are far more individualistic. Plenty of them live without following another of their kind.
That's so sad. I hope I never reach a point when I want to stop learning, insha'allah.
You won't go towards that path because you know how to control mind.
In my classes I've definitely seen professors trying to promote a certain viewpoint. Last semester I had a professor who didn't seem to know that she was promoting a viewpoint (probably because she kept repeating that we could believe whatever we wanted to believe). I think self-awareness is so important. There are so many ways to grow in knowledge, but there are also so many ways to limit ourselves, and limit other people. In my experience people get so wrapped up in themselves they don't see how they are affecting others and projecting their own views onto them. Of course, I am definitely guilty of this as well.
You will probably meet plenty of professors like her. I agree with you about everything you said. We are guilty of limiting ourselves as well as others. But it seems that the mainstream culture can't operate without it.
Interesting hadith. My Muslim professor mentioned something last week about how interpretation causes problems and divisions among religions. He was lecturing like he didn't believe there is any true interpretation of religion that either exists now or can be known anymore.
It seems he is a bit wrong there. Every time I go to find out about the early days of Islam I come across the same old news that Sahih fabrications have been the main driving force behind all the divisions. The problems he speaks about come from the distorted interpretations of Quran verses found in them. We are struggling with the meanings of the verses mainly because of them. But as per 6112, it was bound to happen. Probably, it is a way for Allah to test us?
Sharh Najh ul Balagha by Izz al-Din Abd al-Hamid ibn Hibat-Allah ibn Abi al-Hadid
"Lies were introduced in Hadeeth on merits originally by Shi?a. They in the beginning fabricated many Hadeeth in favour of their man motivated by enmity towards their opponents. When Bakriyya
found out what Shi?a had done they fabricated on their part Hadeeth in favour of their man.?"Then Mu`awiya wrote to his governors saying "Hadith about Uthman has increased and spread in every city, town and region. When this letter from me reaches you, summon the people to relate the merits of the Companions and the first caliphs. And do not let any Muslim relate anything about Ali without bringing something contradicting this about the Companions. This I like better and it pleases me more, it invalidates Abu Turab's claims and those of his Shi'ite in a more definitive way and it is for them more difficult to bear than the virtues and the merits of Uthman."
"Mu`awiya's letters were read out to the people. And many forged reports concerning the merits of the Companions, in which there was no truth, were related. The people went out of their way in relating reports in this vein until they spoke thereof in glowing terms from the pulpits. The teachers in the schools were instructed to teach their young pupils a vast quantity of these until they related them just as they studied the Qur'an and they taught these to their daughters, wives and servants. God knows how long they persisted in this."
In today's time, they are known as institutional truth.
I asked him after class about it, and he confirmed that he didn't believe there is a true interpretation, and it's all a matter of the heart. That's why I try to do good - that desire to be there for others and help them is in my heart.
There are some metaphors in the Quran and Allah does confirm that no one knows all the true interpretations except him. But I don't see it as a reason to reject what we know or find. It is all in signs which unfortunately the sectarians reject.
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reel,
That was the incorrect interpretation of what I wrote.
There are different species whose instincts work in different ways, yet the point is the fact they are following those slavishly and it is which causes them to be lifeless. Being alive is when you determine or at least is a part of determining your own fate rather than being controlled. Humans who are very susceptible to their instincts have no control over much at all but follow those blindly. When you cannot make an independent choice then you have no power of determining either because someone else choose for you, usually because they can abuse your instinctive drive. In the case of being a victim of your instinct is that devised prophetic determinations works well on you as you are lifeless and too influenced by what you are too weak to resist.
The world's events right now is an example of the above. The events of IS (Daesh/Ignorant Satans) was prophesied by Isaiah some millennia ago and those members are pawns of that determination without any ability themselves to desist. It is because the weakness of the instinct and lifelessness is so severe they can be played into the hands of the prophecy. And it is those who compiled the utterly false and incorrect interpretation of Quran who began that evil spiral which has its final trigger now.
Rabb already knew when Quran was made written that things would be like this. It was already prophesied. Quran was to have a false interpretation for a time. It is just a good example of human sheepishness.
The wise person, when they could not understand Quran properly or found the available interpretations unsound, would obviously look for the teachings of the Messiah Eysua. There you have a worthy elaboration upon the so-called 'Ten Commandments'. And that without listening to ignorant Christian clerics who even contradict what the man said.
Once more I reiterate Rabb's point to Moses; "I am who am I" and Jesus'; "I am in the Father and the Father in me". In those quotes you have the whole model of spirituality in a nutshell. Those are authentic sayings from a historical perspective.
"La elah ila allah" - to be who is is to be like who is, or by your incorrect understanding of "la" - "no who is except who is like" alternatively "no being except being like". Important to know contains a third-person pronoun suffix though, i.e. by paraphrasing in English "no one is being except who is (definitely) being" (hard to translate the emphatic Allah (double lam) into English).
Wish you would be trusting me on this.
Be well
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reel,
That was the incorrect interpretation of what I wrote.
There are different species whose instincts work in different ways, yet the point is the fact they are following those slavishly and it is which causes them to be lifeless.
Thank you for the clarification. After pondering upon the Quranic verses, I have come to realize that our main struggle is to defend our individualism in a way that we can progress and become more civilized instead of going backward.
Humans who are very susceptible to their instincts have no control over much at all but follow those blindly. When you cannot make an independent choice then you have no power of determining either because someone else choose for you, usually because they can abuse your instinctive drive. In the case of being a victim of your instinct is that devised prophetic determinations works well on you as you are lifeless and too influenced by what you are too weak to resist.
In some places, we don't have any options at all. But I do wonder why it is so difficult for educated people to recognize shallowness and patterns in the events.
The world's events right now is an example of the above. The events of IS (Daesh/Ignorant Satans) was prophesied by Isaiah some millennia ago and those members are pawns of that determination without any ability themselves to desist. It is because the weakness of the instinct and lifelessness is so severe they can be played into the hands of the prophecy. And it is those who compiled the utterly false and incorrect interpretation of Quran who began that evil spiral which has its final trigger now.
Rabb already knew when Quran was made written that things would be like this. It was already prophesied. Quran was to have a false interpretation for a time. It is just a good example of human sheepishness.
The wise person, when they could not understand Quran properly or found the available interpretations unsound, would obviously look for the teachings of the Messiah Eysua. There you have a worthy elaboration upon the so-called 'Ten Commandments'. And that without listening to ignorant Christian clerics who even contradict what the man said.
Once more I reiterate Rabb's point to Moses; "I am who am I" and Jesus'; "I am in the Father and the Father in me". In those quotes you have the whole model of spirituality in a nutshell. Those are authentic sayings from a historical perspective.
"La elah ila allah" - to be who is is to be like who is, or by your incorrect understanding of "la" - "no who is except who is like" alternatively "no being except being like". Important to know contains a third-person pronoun suffix though, i.e. by paraphrasing in English "no one is being except who is (definitely) being" (hard to translate the emphatic Allah (double lam) into English).
Wish you would be trusting me on this.
Be well
Not all the interpretations of the Quran are incorrect. At the same time, not all read the Quran anymore. It is abandoned for which we are a laughing stock for the sectarians.
When it comes to negative world events I see them as more like curse for those who have abandoned the idea of being humans. They don't need to happen. They are here because some groups have gone to an extreme to oppress people. I see it as more like a game now in which all brainwashed groups go around attacking one another.
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I have found little to no accuracy when deciphering Quran during my project. But of course it is not official yet. It is interesting that you can make what you said out in that translation you have, I reckon it has to do with your intelligence and you just happened to find something that looks like it.
Instincts can be suppressed in virtually all cases for a determined person. But I agree, it is indeed hard to separate that primate body from your person, and is so also for me, but it is necessary to make a clear distinction.
Be well
Amenuel -
I have found little to no accuracy when deciphering Quran during my project. But of course it is not official yet. It is interesting that you can make what you said out in that translation you have, I reckon it has to do with your intelligence and you just happened to find something that looks like it.
Instincts can be suppressed in virtually all cases for a determined person. But I agree, it is indeed hard to separate that primate body from your person, and is so also for me, but it is necessary to make a clear distinction.
Be well
AmenuelDon't you think it is arrogant to claim that one knows the entire truth about Quran and then going around saying anyone who doesn't agree with it is simply being a primate?
How does it make one different and truthful exactly???
Examples- I believe science is the only way to knowing the truth. Anyone who doesn't agree with me is crazy.
- Everyone around the world should follow only my secular lifestyle.
- Haahaha, you are just jealous of us because you don't get laid.
- I don't believe in God and this is the truth everyone should follow.
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Hello reel,
You have surely interpreted it strangely to extract that I say "anyone who does not agree with it are primates". That is not what I have said.
Furthermore your interpretation of what I have written is incorrect.
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I do not claim science is the ONLY way of knowing the truth, in fact scientists are not always right, but science can be used to empirically study things.
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I have not claimed that and I am not secular depending on the perspective as I am a theist and even monotheistic deep below (I call the phenomenon mono-pantheism in lack of words since Being (Allah) is One). I am not the only one who have given helpful information about Rabb's realm throughout history.
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That is something you lack knowledge about. I hold back despite it is sometimes painful and it is a deliberate choice in order to combat the instinct.
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What is this claim? "I don't believe in God", where have you gotten this from? I more than believe in God to begin with.
I sense annoyance in you however and thus an emotional outburst. Better control those flows of emotions. I mean otherwise you could have at least come with a better interpretation of my stance as I have elaborated upon it quite much over time.
Be well
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Forgot to mention, everyone here in this world attached to a body is in a primate, EVEN I AM. The difference is I affirm this condition and do not identify myself with it and succumb to is drive which is the real Satan. That is what I have taught rounded up.
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Hello reel,
You have surely interpreted it strangely to extract that I say "anyone who does not agree with it are primates". That is not what I have said.
Furthermore your interpretation of what I have written is incorrect.
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I do not claim science is the ONLY way of knowing the truth, in fact scientists are not always right, but science can be used to empirically study things.
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I have not claimed that and I am not secular depending on the perspective as I am a theist and even monotheistic deep below (I call the phenomenon mono-pantheism in lack of words since Being (Allah) is One). I am not the only one who have given helpful information about Rabb's realm throughout history.
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That is something you lack knowledge about. I hold back despite it is sometimes painful and it is a deliberate choice in order to combat the instinct.
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What is this claim? "I don't believe in God", where have you gotten this from? I more than believe in God to begin with.
I sense annoyance in you however and thus an emotional outburst. Better control those flows of emotions. I mean otherwise you could have at least come with a better interpretation of my stance as I have elaborated upon it quite much over time.
Be well
AmenuelNope, I was not saying you hold onto those views. I gave examples of those who believe anyone who doesn't follow what they follow has some kind of problem. I know you are far more understanding than them. So I wouldn't wish you to follow their path.
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this question we should need to ask from athiest,
if no God exist , and people firmly beleive on it, then this planet will more likely a war ground , every body will rob rape murder everyone, as they know already no body/God will gona ask anything ,
infact they will say there is law and police there, again even if police and law exist ,warlord/don.gansgter keep them in pocket .
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this question we should need to ask from athiest,
if no God exist , and people firmly beleive on it, then this planet will more likely a war ground , every body will rob rape murder everyone, as they know already no body/God will gona ask anything ,
infact they will say there is law and police there, again even if police and law exist ,warlord/don.gansgter keep them in pocket .
A lot of atheists will deny this.
As SarahY said, most people are peaceful and want to live in peace.
IMO people shouldn't do good out of fear of God or eternal Hell or whatever. They should do it for the good of their hearts (and many people do). I've seen many atheists say that because we only have one life to live, that means we should live it as best as we can. We should be good and tolerant to others because we're all only here for a short while anyway and we only have one shot at this.
The above is a very positive approach to life.
Everything is better when there is peace. At some level, cooperation and peace between humans MUST exist. People realize this. Even those who are murderers or terrorists have people in their life that they love and care about (or are at least loyal to). Belief in God, or lack thereof, has nothing to do with this human need for peace (and love).
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As a convinced atheist the most part of my life i think I can help with the question.
The idea of good and bad and therefore equilibrium in this life is not exclusive of religion. Actually most atheists are really good people in all senses and people with a high sense of reasoning. What they don't accept is the idea of a divine being or entity telling you what to do, so what they reject the most is the idea of world and human individuals being controlled by a fabricated idea of a super being. God is for them a form of repression and control, and given what religions actually are, I don't blame them at all. They understand divinity as a tale for unlettered people to behave.
Another basic point for atheism is the idea of the afterlife and a final yaumidiin. They reject it and exactly because they reject it they live acording to their conciense. Living one life and nothing else drives you to the conclusion that you have to live your life as good as you can, but "as good as you can" does not mean only epicureal pleasures or doing whatever you want. It means living with a clean concious and not guilty. Many atheists are wonderful people, even better than many believers. My husband is an example. The feeling of doing good things and the correct is bigger and more sublime that the feeling of freedom or killing or making fortune or having sex or any other pleasure in this life. Human being knows that in his insight there is something special (reasoning, intelligence, high sense of ethics?) that drives him to reject animal instincts and turns towards cosmic equilibrium. So, having to live with the idea of just one live does not drives you directly to the point that you can do whatever pleases you, there's a higher sense in all of us that makes us search for justice. I believe this justice is God. He won't condemn good people, even if they din't believe in Him. He's not only in the Qur'an, hus ayats are everywhere.
About bad people, killers, rapers, enviers, manipulators... There are of those even among the believers, but I doubt if they can sleep at night, and at some point in their life they would feel bad and repentant, the sense of justice talking inside The point is your life to make sense "what did you do in your life?" You ask yourself "i managed to make a fortune". This is just poor and every human being understands that this is not happiness.
So, what does "atheist" mean it means no god. But what is God? Only the one talking in the Qur'an? Is the Qur'an its only miracle? Good people believe in God, either they practice Islam or they practice this sense of "justice" (isn't it God?) we all have Inside. God has revealed Himself in many ways.
Yeah, I believe there will be many atheist in jannah, and Allah will be pleased with them. -
Peace,
As a convinced atheist the most part of my life i think I can help with the question.
The idea of good and bad and therefore equilibrium in this life is not exclusive of religion. Actually most atheists are really good people in all senses and people with a high sense of reasoning. What they don't accept is the idea of a divine being or entity telling you what to do, so what they reject the most is the idea of world and human individuals being controlled by a fabricated idea of a super being. God is for them a form of repression and control, and given what religions actually are, I don't blame them at all. They understand divinity as a tale for unlettered people to behave.
Another basic point for atheism is the idea of the afterlife and a final yaumidiin. They reject it and exactly because they reject it they live acording to their conciense. Living one life and nothing else drives you to the conclusion that you have to live your life as good as you can, but "as good as you can" does not mean only epicureal pleasures or doing whatever you want. It means living with a clean concious and not guilty. Many atheists are wonderful people, even better than many believers. My husband is an example. The feeling of doing good things and the correct is bigger and more sublime that the feeling of freedom or killing or making fortune or having sex or any other pleasure in this life. Human being knows that in his insight there is something special (reasoning, intelligence, high sense of ethics?) that drives him to reject animal instincts and turns towards cosmic equilibrium. So, having to live with the idea of just one live does not drives you directly to the point that you can do whatever pleases you, there's a higher sense in all of us that makes us search for justice. I believe this justice is God. He won't condemn good people, even if they din't believe in Him. He's not only in the Qur'an, hus ayats are everywhere.
About bad people, killers, rapers, enviers, manipulators... There are of those even among the believers, but I doubt if they can sleep at night, and at some point in their life they would feel bad and repentant, the sense of justice talking inside The point is your life to make sense "what did you do in your life?" You ask yourself "i managed to make a fortune". This is just poor and every human being understands that this is not happiness.
So, what does "atheist" mean it means no god. But what is God? Only the one talking in the Qur'an? Is the Qur'an its only miracle? Good people believe in God, either they practice Islam or they practice this sense of "justice" (isn't it God?) we all have Inside. God has revealed Himself in many ways.
Yeah, I believe there will be many atheist in jannah, and Allah will be pleased with them.The sentence I bolded, I like that sentence a lot. ) Beautiful.
Have you ever seen this video virginia? (click here)
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A lot of atheists will deny this.
As SarahY said, most people are peaceful and want to live in peace.
IMO people shouldn't do good out of fear of God or eternal Hell or whatever. They should do it for the good of their hearts (and many people do). I've seen many atheists say that because we only have one life to live, that means we should live it as best as we can. We should be good and tolerant to others because we're all only here for a short while anyway and we only have one shot at this.
The above is a very positive approach to life.
Everything is better when there is peace. At some level, cooperation and peace between humans MUST exist. People realize this. Even those who are murderers or terrorists have people in their life that they love and care about (or are at least loyal to). Belief in God, or lack thereof, has nothing to do with this human need for peace (and love).
ok how you will gona make understand the one who dnt beleive in God and for his sake if he rob anybody, he is not doin anything wrong, prove me logically theft is wrong, as far he concern if he theft somebody he will live in peace, he cat eat five star hotel food, live a nice life,
he dnt need to worry about suystem, he can bribe system with theft money so, logically robbing for him is not wrong, but its good for him to rob people,i know most of people are kind hearted but there r some freaks out there as well, and i m addressing this to these freaks,
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yeh exactly this video make sense and thats what i m saying God is not unjust and he will decide the matter with everybody according to the conditions pprovided to that soule, peace
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As a convinced atheist the most part of my life i think I can help with the question.
The idea of good and bad and therefore equilibrium in this life is not exclusive of religion. Actually most atheists are really good people in all senses and people with a high sense of reasoning. What they don't accept is the idea of a divine being or entity telling you what to do, so what they reject the most is the idea of world and human individuals being controlled by a fabricated idea of a super being. God is for them a form of repression and control, and given what religions actually are, I don't blame them at all. They understand divinity as a tale for unlettered people to behave.
Another basic point for atheism is the idea of the afterlife and a final yaumidiin. They reject it and exactly because they reject it they live acording to their conciense. Living one life and nothing else drives you to the conclusion that you have to live your life as good as you can, but "as good as you can" does not mean only epicureal pleasures or doing whatever you want. It means living with a clean concious and not guilty. Many atheists are wonderful people, even better than many believers. My husband is an example. The feeling of doing good things and the correct is bigger and more sublime that the feeling of freedom or killing or making fortune or having sex or any other pleasure in this life. Human being knows that in his insight there is something special (reasoning, intelligence, high sense of ethics?) that drives him to reject animal instincts and turns towards cosmic equilibrium. So, having to live with the idea of just one live does not drives you directly to the point that you can do whatever pleases you, there's a higher sense in all of us that makes us search for justice. I believe this justice is God. He won't condemn good people, even if they din't believe in Him. He's not only in the Qur'an, hus ayats are everywhere.
About bad people, killers, rapers, enviers, manipulators... There are of those even among the believers, but I doubt if they can sleep at night, and at some point in their life they would feel bad and repentant, the sense of justice talking inside The point is your life to make sense "what did you do in your life?" You ask yourself "i managed to make a fortune". This is just poor and every human being understands that this is not happiness.
So, what does "atheist" mean it means no god. But what is God? Only the one talking in the Qur'an? Is the Qur'an its only miracle? Good people believe in God, either they practice Islam or they practice this sense of "justice" (isn't it God?) we all have Inside. God has revealed Himself in many ways.
Yeah, I believe there will be many atheist in jannah, and Allah will be pleased with them.The post is about the world where only atheism exists. Not the current time.
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People are social beings that why you should be good to humans. Most people want to live in peace and harmony.
Yet we have jails, murders, illegal wars, divorces....today's wars are based on intelligence reports and crisis design, both are parts of rationality in which the atheism finds its backbone.
Being a social being does not instantly make one good. Fraternity brothers are extreme social beings, but they are more likely to do sexual assault. And some of their houses are known as rape factory.
Apparently humans realise oxytocin and other feel good hormones when they do good.
oxytocin is also released after sex and when shooting for fun. it is the hormone of relaxation. So if someone is in dire need of money he can release it by solving the problem and that can include stealing the money from someone else.
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ok how you will gona make understand the one who dnt beleive in God and for his sake if he rob anybody, he is not doin anything wrong, prove me logically theft is wrong, as far he concern if he theft somebody he will live in peace, he cat eat five star hotel food, live a nice life,
he dnt need to worry about suystem, he can bribe system with theft money so, logically robbing for him is not wrong, but its good for him to rob people,i know most of people are kind hearted but there r some freaks out there as well, and i m addressing this to these freaks,
Even if somebody mentally comes to not acknowledge the existenc of "God", what h or she mentally understands as God, the human fitra nonetheless exists and because of that human fitra there is a clear idea of right and wrong. No person who has not a mental diease lacks it except that he or she deliberately stiffles it becuase mentallyd oes not believee i it or because morally rennounces it. O the other hand there are many self-called believers who in fact stiffle th fitra xand turn themslevs into animals, which of course they can't be, so what they attain is not animality but bestiality.
But even where there is "no god" the fitra tells a person between right and wrong, ad that is the reason that in fact some called who call themselves on believers are in jact just commpassionate and self sacrificig for the sake of others.
Salaam