Personal Identity and the Soul

huruf

Sme proof of reincarnation from Qur'an?

If souls have memory while people are alive supposing such thing as reincarnation, whydo they not have memory after they die?

Salaam

hawk99

Peace all,

We can see that the body stays here on earth, and the nafs goes to judgment, but what happens to the ruh after death?
Any opinions?

IAMOP

Epigenetics contains the wisdom sought
Epigenetics allowing for transfer of behaviours down ancestral chain
Dr Bruce Lipton PhD helpful - Spontaneous Evolution, Biology of Belief

Ruh Breath/Shakti
Nafs Individual Identity (Linguistic Structure Output)

23100 - Haply I may do good in that which I have left. By no means! it is a (mere) word that he speaks; and before them is a barrier until the day they are raised.

Be forewarned, beliefs in all besides Absolute Decree (i.e. Pure Noble Guidance) esp. thoughts and ideas of individuals leading to worldview will have profound infinite consequences
More to the story? Find out the true relation between Names ("Taught Adam the names&quot such that all shall clear be Sight
For that foresight, determination, peace make
Error, hindsight, misery obtained, foresight, determination yet once more sought, the lesson first repeated once more

sun

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imrankhawaja

Peace all,

We can see that the body stays here on earth, and the nafs goes to judgment, but what happens to the ruh after death?
Any opinions?

same when a soul is sleeping , in a peaceful atmosphere searching here and there , going in gardens, meeting with people who you like , its like dreams state, an suddenly they wull awake when horn is blown,

for the one who is wicked the state of sleep is uncomfortable ,

in quran death is given example as sleep.

but death and life are gr8 signs of lord to test us, nobody really knows waht will happen, to them after death. but this death exist and we need to understand God is shoing his signs in every aspect of life he is watching over his creation.

near death experiece documentry may be help,

Man_of_Faith

Huruf,

The memory is suppressed. It is reachable by becoming closer to your real person and actually is there all the time but the bodily clouds the perception of it. Past experiences leave an imprint on your "soul" (person) and your balance as a person depends on your past living. This imprint is what Quran speaks of in chapter 2 underneath a fabricated context imposed on an innocent discourse and the language uses the word 'khatam' for it.

The body and the world works as a contradiction to your real spirit of your soul and is designed to corrupt it, all in an ingenious test environment. The "purer" and more physically detached the more hooked up to your real identity you become, and that shows in your way of Being.

Be well
Amenuel

huruf

Huruf,

The memory is suppressed. It is reachable by becoming closer to your real person and actually is there all the time but the bodily clouds the perception of it. Past experiences leave an imprint on your "soul" (person) and your balance as a person depends on your past living. This imprint is what Quran speaks of in chapter 2 underneath a fabricated context imposed on an innocent discourse and the language uses the word 'khatam' for it.

The body and the world works as a contradiction to your real spirit of your soul and is designed to corrupt it, all in an ingenious test environment. The "purer" and more physically detached the more hooked up to your real identity you become, and that shows in your way of Being.

Be well
Amenuel

Sura 2 is a very lonng one, can you be more precise?

Salaam

imrankhawaja

i think MOF is reffering about the verse seven of chapter 2, if i m not wrong.

Edip-Layth (Quran A Reformist Translation)
27 God has sealed their hearts and their ears; and over their eyes are covers. They will incur a great retribution.

The Monotheist Group (The Quran A Monotheist Translation)
27 God has sealed their hearts and their ears, and over their eyes are covers. They will incur a great retribution.

Muhammad Asad (The Message Of Quran)
27 God; has sealed their hearts and their hearing, and over their eyes is a veil;7 and awesome suffering awaits them.

Rashad Khalifa (The Final Testament)
27 GOD seals their minds and their hearing, and their eyes are veiled. They have incurred severe retribution.

Shabbir Ahmed (Quran As It Explains Itself)
27 God (His Law of Cause and Effect) has sealed their hearts and their hearing, and on their sight there is a veil. And theirs will be a tremendous suffering.

Man_of_Faith

Basically I am, yes. Those translations are very weak though. And it is not a correct statement either, because the awakening of one's spirit is entirely up to the person themselves and their way of Being. "The sign is in their way of Being", i.e. one can more or less see whether a person is "guided" (developed) or not by their way of being. In the passage khatam is used to say "the imprint or sign" in order to say how one can distinguish between people. It is good advice in order to know which people to use most resources on and is obvious in a scripture meant as a manual or instruction, although obviously one should never withhold information from anyone (if they care to listen).

Be well
Amenuel

hawk99

same when a soul is sleeping , in a peaceful atmosphere searching here and there , going in gardens, meeting with people who you like , its like dreams state, an suddenly they wull awake when horn is blown,

for the one who is wicked the state of sleep is uncomfortable ,

in quran death is given example as sleep.

but death and life are gr8 signs of lord to test us, nobody really knows waht will happen, to them after death. but this death exist and we need to understand God is shoing his signs in every aspect of life he is watching over his creation.

near death experiece documentry may be help,

Your response indicates to me that you are referring to the nafs and not the ruh,
my question is "what happens to the ruh after death"?

Ruh Breath/Shakti
Nafs Individual Identity (Linguistic Structure Output)

I agree with you definitions, same question, "what happens to the ruh after death"?

Comrox

Your response indicates to me that you are referring to the nafs and not the ruh,
my question is "what happens to the ruh after death"?

I agree with you definitions, same question, "what happens to the ruh after death"?

Transferred on perhaps? Like the cycle of energy?

imrankhawaja

Your response indicates to me that you are referring to the nafs and not the ruh,
my question is "what happens to the ruh after death"?

I agree with you definitions, same question, "what happens to the ruh after death"?

i havnt read or research much on this issue, but as far i think, its something regarding to alam e arwah(world of rooh) alme barzakh in arabic , the dimenshn for keeping soul in safe custody and when day of recokening happen these will connected back to characcter and body what will be required to meet up the criteria for hereafter, but usually people consider rooh and soul in a same sense i think these both things are connected with eachother, human being is in a pair like everything is in a pair , consist of body(material) and rooh/soul/charaacter(immaterial) ,

Allah knows best how the things will be adjusted after death, let us die then we will get correct answers, lol

IAMOP

Ruh does not die
To my current knowledge it is unborn

Breath - one part of our Spirit (the inhale/in-breath) is within our body
The other part of our Spirit is outside of our body and flows according to the decree of the Absolute, the Almighty
Yes this means we have existence both within our body and outside of our body
We are just as much 'out there' as 'in here' though one would be compelled to believe by misguided ones that our body is our true nature

Knowledge of this is key to comprehending our true eternal existence
The Ruh shall not be destroyed
The physical body decays
One can send commands directly to the Ruh and the Ruh will respond accordingly. It is interactive. It is a Living Breath
On that day, the Spirit and the angels who stand in lines will not speak except those whom the Beneficent God has permitted, and he will speak the right words.

This is through the still small voice of the Heart. Gently at the level of nearing silence communicate with the Ruh on the in-breath, serenely. One will feel tingles of light flowing through the physical manifestation when this is correctly executed. See where it leads - it is your direct connection to the Absolute, the All-High
There is a nerve centre in the region of the heart which enables this - the Command reaches the heart from Allah and flows out from within by mercy of the Holy
Further research keywords The Little Brain In the Heart

Indeed it is of the greatest favours of our Rabb, the Pure, the Holy, the Wise, the Protector

Jafar

Ruh does not die
To my current knowledge it is unborn

"The soul is never born nor dies at any time. Soul has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. Soul is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. Soul is not slain when the body is slain."
-- Gita, Chapter 2

The notion of beginning and end, birth and death requires the contextual environment of time.

We now understand that time and space was created and can be destroyed.
As matter of fact the destruction of time and space is happening as we speak with the evident phenomenon of black hole.

Time, Space, Our body, Our Identity, Our Ego is merely an illusion..

The spirit soul bewildered by the influence of false ego thinks himself the doer of activities that are in actuality carried out by the nature. Mind is higher than the senses; intelligence is still higher than the mind; and the soul is even higher than the intelligence.
-- Gita, Chapter 2

hawk99

Transferred on perhaps? Like the cycle of energy?

I agree with what you have said in essence.

i havnt read or research much on this issue, but as far i think, its something regarding to alam e arwah(world of rooh)
alme barzakh in arabic , the dimenshn for keeping soul in safe custody and when day of reconkening happen these will
connected back to character and body what will be required to meet up the criteria for hereafter, but usually people
consider rooh and soul in a same sense i think these both things are connected with each other, human being is in
a pair like everything is in a pair , consist of body(material) and rooh/soul/character(immaterial) ,

Are you saying that the ruh and nafs are one and the same which gives you the pairing analogy?
But if you consider body, ruh, and nafs singly we end up with three!

Ruh does not die
To my current knowledge it is unborn

We agree

Breath - one part of our Spirit (the inhale/in-breath) is within our body
The other part of our Spirit is outside of our body and flows according to the decree of the Absolute, the Almighty
Yes this means we have existence both within our body and outside of our body
We are just as much 'out there' as 'in here' though one would be compelled to believe by misguided ones that our body is our true nature

Peace IAMOP, does this outside of the body entity have a name?

Again all my replies on this subject are speculation, I seek refuge in Allah from Satan and his suggestions.

huruf

Mtter is not different from the whole, it is oonly the dimensions human being are able to perceive. God would be conscious of every dimension, inifinite dimensions and huamns can only perceive three dimensions, or may at the most four. Matter is precisely that perception of realitythre three dimensions only. Like a picture is the perception in two dimensions of things that if we were there we would perceive three dimensions. For those creatures able to perceive more dimensions matter as a concept is not something separate, because they add more dimensions to their perception.

So we conceive of existence beyond the three dimensions, but that does not mean that those are separate existences or things, but our perception is limited to the three dimensions.

For those who claim that matter is one part of human beings not important and spirit or soul is the important part that lives on, I would aske them to provide a clear formulation of such a thing from the Qur'an. Nowehere the Qur'an says we are two clear separate parts One spiritual and one material.

Ruh i something else, ruh from God is a capacity that God bestows on creatures as He sees fit. I gve the ruh for humanity when it evolved from the bashar into the insan.

Salaam

uq

Peace Comrox,

You delve into the farthest bounds of human inquiry. Great question!

I think this question can be approached both corporeally and spiritually.

The corporeal approach will inevitably be overwhelmingly speculative for I don't feel that current scientific knowledge satisfactorily explains the essence or qualities of the soul. By 'soul' I mean 'the person' as distinct from its temporal experiences in this world, that is, 'the person' that probably existed before its entry into this world and the same 'person' that will be resurrected when the Hour comes to pass. In this world, I believe that the soul's experiences occur by way of?

• the sensory faculties which serve as the soul's material feed, and

• the brain's neural activity, including both hormonal and psychological factors, which both serve as the soul's immaterial feed.

I hasten to add that all the above is purely speculative, based only on my rationalising of how I perceive and experience corporeal personal identity and the soul.

The spiritual approach is based on scriptural evidence, and in my view, we are advantaged over secular scientists in having additional knowledge that they are not willing to accept, or of which they are unaware. We know from the Quran that each soul is destined to one of three places damnation, purgatory, or bliss. The decision's we make in this world directly affect our destiny. And to this effect, I believe that decision-making takes place at the point of the soul, and I believe it to be of a binary nature. Decision-making, in my opinion, is aided ultimately by the framework of the brain's neural activity along with the influence of the entire sum of experiences fed to us by our sensual faculties. Then, when the Hour comes to pass, the personal identities that we developed in this world will be divorced from our souls but we will not be unaware of them based on the many Quranic narrations that the soul on the Day of Judgment will be either regretful for what it did, or will be content with what it did in its worldly existence. In this respect, your professor's analogy of seeing a photograph of your younger self is quite apt.

Taken together, the corporeal and spiritual both imprint a transient personal identity onto a lasting and metamorphosing soul that begins its worldly existence free of any worldly experiences, be they material or immaterial.

janet

Sme proof of reincarnation from Qur'an?

If souls have memory while people are alive supposing such thing as reincarnation, whydo they not have memory after they die?

Salaam

Salaam Huruf,
I found this article as I was researching and I thought it had some very valid points. Maybe it will help answer your guestion.

https//reincarnationquran.wordpress.com/

Regards,
Janet.

JavaLatte

Peace,

I think the Qur'an does not inform that we will face reincarnation, but it informs us that we will face resurrection (we will return, and we will through resurrection in our return to meet Allah and be judged for our actions). Not reincarnation, but resurrection - and they're not the same thing.

I have opinion that putting human to undergo reincarnation is something unfair/unjust. Personally, I do not want to repeat this kind of life again and again. Insha'Allah, one time experiencing life like this (in this world/realm) is enough for me - and I want no more.

Sme proof of reincarnation from Qur'an?

Good question, sister.

Comrox