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Do you have certainty?

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    imrankhawaja
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    If this "Paradise" is the place where religious fanatics are being gathered and having their orgy with 72 virgins, then I hope and I am certain that I would prefer to be in other places.. any other places.
    I vote No

    this idea is from some sick sex hungry people lol,,, infact if we see in this worldy life like arabic people they showoof their wealth by keeping as much women as they want. its an idea based thinking,

    on the other hand , men women are equal in every sense if men have 72 virgins then women must get 72 male virginns thats what equality, rotfl but again in this world our needs and joys are different lets see what is the entrtainment for us overthere.

    same with hellfire people always imagine a flame of fire but my understanding is a depression and unhappy world something like that . not sure yet

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      imrankhawaja
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      It is in the nature of the body, but by getting a greater level of control over flesh it is possible to abstain to a great extent. Of course it is required to procreate, but then getting children should be a conscious decision and no new soul would come into the world if you abstain from the activity.

      The desire to copulate is a very slavish sensation (because of the feeling of craving necessity) and it actually feels better spiritually to abstain.

      Love for your spouse is possible to make without physical interaction as you two are one and bonded in Spirit. Love is also something that you can divide into two sorts, the primitive and the advanced.

      Be well
      Amenuel

      yeh for a marriage couple sex is halal, but i m talking about the people who do sex before marriage or ouside of marriage , i know some of the boys who lose their virginty in 14 or 15 years of age just due to the desire what they have inside , on the other hand the purpose of sex is to create kids. in my opinion avoiding from illegal sex is biggest challange of faith even so called scholoars sufis and pious people cannnot escape from it.

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        IAMOP
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        I know for absolute certainty that Allah is the Truth - The Sublime, the Infinite Light (Nur)
        Science is about to reach a point where all the ayat are known in their true light
        It has already moved through this process
        e.g. "I swear by the falling of stars/position of stars" - General Relativity
        When the Unified Theory of Physics is found, it is going to be identical to Quranic ayat without a single trace of doubt. This is because Nur is the One they are all looking for. This is because Al-Nur is the One who all witnessed that Al-Nur is the Rabb/Master already. Deep down everybody already knows Allah. If people wish to pretend they don't, they are fated for a most severe recompense.

        As for whether one is going to Paradise one can certainly know if people are going to hell (9113)

        As science moves through the study of Consciousness and of the Cosmos (4153) will be verified - the Consciousness/Information Science, the Cosmos (macro-scale/the vastness of space and microscale/the planck scale/that which is less) - we shall realise what we had already known within ourselves, that we are one with the heavens and the earth, part and parcel of it, thus the same laws of physics which cause gravity, strong-electroweak, time dilation, relativity, all these laws are the very same laws which our neurons operate through to handle Information/Knowledge/Data/Truth (Haqq) and falsehood is bound to perish. And Al-Nur is Al-Haqq - THE Truth, THE Light

        The Light is the Absolute Truth which from all other physical creations derive their existence. It is the Absolute Eternity, the Immortal, the Singular. It is the force that moves all, the field that allows all interaction between fundamental forces. It is Being, it is Witness, it is Identity of Its Own Eternal Absolute Union

        E.g. Holographic Principle

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          TheUnseenLight
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          Thank you everyone for contributing

          I have certainty that it is in God's hands to show His Mercy how, we and to whomever He wants. Whatever He will dispose will be the most perfect.

          Huruf, do you have the confidence that you know for sure that God will have mercy upon you? Please answer straightforward, again, I do not mind you explaination, but please conclude with a yes, no, or not sure. Thank you.

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            TheUnseenLight
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            I know for absolute certainty that Allah is the Truth - The Sublime, the Infinite Light (Nur)
            Science is about to reach a point where all the ayat are known in their true light
            It has already moved through this process
            e.g. "I swear by the falling of stars/position of stars" - General Relativity
            When the Unified Theory of Physics is found, it is going to be identical to Quranic ayat without a single trace of doubt. This is because Nur is the One they are all looking for. This is because Al-Nur is the One who all witnessed that Al-Nur is the Rabb/Master already. Deep down everybody already knows Allah. If people wish to pretend they don't, they are fated for a most severe recompense.

            As for whether one is going to Paradise one can certainly know if people are going to hell (9113)

            As science moves through the study of Consciousness and of the Cosmos (4153) will be verified - the Consciousness/Information Science, the Cosmos (macro-scale/the vastness of space and microscale/the planck scale/that which is less) - we shall realise what we had already known within ourselves, that we are one with the heavens and the earth, part and parcel of it, thus the same laws of physics which cause gravity, strong-electroweak, time dilation, relativity, all these laws are the very same laws which our neurons operate through to handle Information/Knowledge/Data/Truth (Haqq) and falsehood is bound to perish. And Al-Nur is Al-Haqq - THE Truth, THE Light

            The Light is the Absolute Truth which from all other physical creations derive their existence. It is the Absolute Eternity, the Immortal, the Singular. It is the force that moves all, the field that allows all interaction between fundamental forces. It is Being, it is Witness, it is Identity of Its Own Eternal Absolute Union

            E.g. Holographic Principle

            I did not ask whether there will be people in paradise or hell, we know there will be and we can all agree to this. What is your stance on "yourself", do you have the certainty that you will be with those in paradise? Thank you.

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              Man_of_Faith
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              There is no "illegal" sex, Imran. Sex is a recommendation to abstain from because it lures forth the instinct also known as Satan. The instinct is the thief here and anything that cuts off from the instinctive drive is beneficial for spiritual health (soundness).

              Sex with your bondmate is at least (hopefully) productive. Additionally a man or woman of fertile age may have problems to control the sex drive and then at least the other can be a solution to get rid of the distraction it may impose. Sex for pleasure alone, no bonding, has no constructive purpose; not procreation nor for the strengthening of ties.

              It is worth mentioning that impulses that could be seen as enslaving is the worst kind of impairment, i.e. to not have control over yourself. Things are about self-control. Progressing further on the path is about mastering the body.

              To give in to these temptations, such as having intercourse with a random person is a show of lack of control. It is just as much show of lack of control as in falling into a rage, showing emotions. All those Ten Commandments that were in the Torah were to mend that and to find a control over your body. Hence Jesus elaborated that adultery is not only the actual sex act but merely looking on a woman with desire is adultery, i.e. it is the instinctive drive towards the act which is detrimental.

              This decree was made as directives or directions, but staunch clerics made it into harsh laws. What is better? To reflect upon their application or reinforce their strictness? (Taken from my reinterpretation of Quran in a "lecture material section&quot

              If people do not know the cause why they do something then it is hard to convince them to do it devoutly. Many people also find little answer in someone saying "because God says so", and they still wish to know "why?". And there is a reason too that God recommended abstention, because the whole world was designed to consume people.

              And sorry to the thread creator for the off-topic post.

              Be well
              Amenuel

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                Recluse
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                If this "Paradise" is the place where religious fanatics are being gathered and having their orgy with 72 virgins, then I hope and I am certain that I would prefer to be in other places.. any other places.
                I vote No

                According to the Qur'an, everybody who believes in the Qur'an goes to an eternal Paradise and everyone who rejects the Qur'an goes to an eternal Hell. There is nothing in between. The good deeds of non-Muslims will never be accepted by the Merciful God. Islamist terrorists for example are all going to enter Paradise, while peaceful non-Muslim "mushrik" people in Japan are going to burn in Hell. Because the Japanese don't believe in "la ilaha illallah muhammadur rasulullah", which is the ultimate crime according to the Merciful God. It's obvious that many people who claim to believe in the Qur'an don't believe in these threats issued by the Merciful God. Their conscience does not allow them to believe such absurdity.....

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                  Recluse
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                  I believe most Muslims will go to hell....

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                    TheUnseenLight
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                    And sorry to the thread creator for the off-topic post.

                    It's all good MoF

                    Peace

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                      TheUnseenLight
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                      According to the Qur'an, everybody who believes in the Qur'an goes to an eternal Paradise and everyone who rejects the Qur'an goes to an eternal Hell. There is nothing in between

                      Peace Recluse, can you go deeper than just saying "everybody who believes in the Quran". It's so broad to just state that, which can be interpreted in many ways. I can say Satan can testify who God is, and knows/believes/acknowledges He has sent scripture as a means for guidance but is one who is of Hell. You see where I am getting at?

                      Thank you.

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                        imrankhawaja
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                        According to the Qur'an, everybody who believes in the Qur'an goes to an eternal Paradise and everyone who rejects the Qur'an goes to an eternal Hell. There is nothing in between.

                        i did not see any verse in whole quran , that is claiming something like that. answer is here in this verse.

                        Indeed those wo believed and those who became Jews and the Christians and the Sabians, those who believed in Allah and the last day and did rightous deeds, so their reward is with their Sustainer, they will have no fear and nor will they grieve. 262

                        second part rejecting quran/bible/psalms or rejecting commandments of Allah of jesus/muhammad/moses means accepting opposite of it , result comes in raping robbering and muderring.

                        in light of this logic if i have a question from you. if somebody rape your sister and mother everysingle day every single hour till the death and what punishment you will suggest from law to give him ? then i will see how merciful and good you are. and we all are like creation/children of God a justful God who is merciful as well as justful. the concept of eternal hell i already explain ,

                        let me explain again , if a rapist rape your mother for one day , punishment should be 7 years worldy time . if he did it every single day and every single day 10 times and your mother lives 100 years then multiplication is like this.

                        100365 = 365000 days 10 = 3650000 days then multiply it with 7 years 36500003657 (days ) after that punishment will be finsih ,is it eternal thats what the figures of worldy punishment . these figures are imposibe for this life , so thats why god will not do unjustice with the weight of atom. hereafter .

                        same with the ratio of murders that are in the account of hitler or any tom dick harry who use their powers wrongly . let them taste the punishment now. thats what logic and understanding tell us. hitler kills 6 million jews wordly punishment of this crime is 6 million multiply by 14 years per murder equal to 84million years. in this life its not possible to punish him , he didnt even get a single day in prison, but dnt worry God justice is waiting for him , after spending 84 million years in hell then lets see what will gona happen with him. may be he get second chance or he recycled again. lolxx

                        note dnt be personal or get angry plz its just an example to make you understand. i try to expalin it before but you did not pay heed to it may be this time some emotions spark inside you and you understand what eternal word actually means.

                        The good deeds of non-Muslims will never be accepted by the Merciful God. Islamist terrorists for example are all going to enter Paradise, while peaceful non-Muslim "mushrik" people in Japan are going to burn in Hell. Because the Japanese don't believe in "la ilaha illallah muhammadur rasulullah", which is the ultimate crime according to the Merciful God.

                        who claim islamic or any terrorist will go to paradise. they will be in the innermost part of hell becoz they are doing in the name of God . and dnt come up with the shahada of typical sunnis, we already know what is the requirement of submission. tell these nonsense to primary school kid. whose brain is under developing. we are not fools

                        i remeber what happen with these innocent japanese in world war 2 , when they already decided to finish the world with their evil partner hitler, innocent japanese rotfl rotfl but i regret what happen to them i think thats how God take his works from righteous, america break the backbone of evil hitler and his allies

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                          imrankhawaja
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                          I believe most Muslims will go to hell....

                          your believing is nothing when the decision is in the hand of great judge God , he recorded the deeds of every single human being and he know how to deal with muslims non muslims and anny body else. if muslim/nonmuslim did something wrong it will be decided in equality. muslim is just a label . character and concept is the real thing.

                          the court of judge is not a hollywood court where a criminal get escape with the lack of evidence or bribing the authorities,

                          the courts will be in advance form and God will show you what everybody used to do with proper solid proof in the shape of video clips lolxx. even the thinking inside the mind is recorded by the tecnology of God. he knows what going on inside and outside

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                            Noon_waalqalami
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                            Can anyone here say at this moment, they know for sure he/she is going to paradise?

                            469 say not be I innovation of from the messengers and not know I what happens with me and not with you ...

                            Peace

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                              IAMOP
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                              I did not ask whether there will be people in paradise or hell, we know there will be and we can all agree to this. What is your stance on "yourself", do you have the certainty that you will be with those in paradise? Thank you.

                              That would require me to know my fate
                              My fate can change at any time
                              If I can know fully all my nature
                              Then I can say firmly I am going to one

                              If any uncertainty of oneself
                              Then there cannot be any certitude of destiny

                              Iman is to trust that Allah will bring you to Paradise
                              Satan invites to the Fire, Allah alone invites to Forgiveness and Grace and Sincerity
                              Then to believe in Allah is to grasp the firmest handhold and know deep within that
                              Once you accept Allah wholly that there is nothing left to do but guard from all shirk and munafiq
                              And to do good in abundance and accept righteousness and the ways of the honourable of justice and truth

                              It is wrong to believe Allah will not forgive you - that is non-justice
                              It is wrong to allow kufr's voice to be louder than the voice of the rahmat/mercy of The Cherisher, The One

                              All self-righteousness disguised as either kind shall fade
                              All self-pride and non-humility disguised as either kind shall fade
                              All denial of Love disguised as all forms of insolent speech in all of its disguises, rationalisations, twists and turns, self-delusions, all such shall fade
                              Allah is all-encompassing, supreme, able to restore all sanctity, able to nourish all within
                              Allah is liberator, freedom giver, peace maker, the just, the wise

                              Therefore all who turn to Surrender, to the One, the Supreme, who counts and numbers all the creations in a register,
                              All such are safe and Allah is able to forgive and return all that has been lost and provide all that needs to be returned

                              One can be certain of the hereafter (314)
                              That being the true picture of Life, our destiny, then one shall take all the measures to walk to the Garden
                              With faith in Allah and certainty of one's footsteps and intuition one may cognise where they are heading to in the very present and take the necessary means to protect themselves

                              Make peace with your past, surrender all sorrow to the compassion of the Eternal, for Allah knows and you know not until you are taught

                              sun

                              I recommend some generous soul to make a full flow chart of the quranic decrees - the ways to exit hell in this life and the next, and the ways to enter paradise in this life and in the next
                              Share this flow chart around for all to see
                              There is no need to dwell in untruth for anyone
                              The truth is that all are called to the garden
                              The truth is that Allah only refuses a soul to believe when they have chosen it of their own will through some method - Allah does not will that people associate partners but they themselves choose to reject the clear guidance
                              Hell could not be earned otherwise
                              All could have been guided in spite of their obstinate rejection but that is not Allah's will
                              Allah's command is to guard against the Fire
                              Therefore only those who reject Allah's command to guard against the fire shall rightfully earn Fire
                              All who accept Allah's Supreme Command to guard against the Fire shall not earn Fire but shall earn Heaven on Earth and in afterlife through the good works that are allowed to spring forth by the choice to guard against the Fire

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                                Bender
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                                Peace Everyone,

                                Can anyone here say at this moment, they know for sure he/she is going to paradise?

                                Peace,

                                It may sound strange but I have peace with every outcome, if it is hell then so be it, it means I was evil thus I deserve it. If it is heaven then yay

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                                  imrankhawaja
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                                  Peace,

                                  It may sound strange but I have peace with every outcome, if it is hell then so be it, it means I was evil thus I deserve it. If it is heaven then yay

                                  i feel scared of hell ,lol

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