will it be possible for any other country to land on moon.
-
Perhaps I already did
"To formulate it with the words used in your translation, it should be read something like this imo
And certainly We have beautified the nearest heaven with lamps, and We have made the nearest heaven a ruzjuman for devils, and We have prepared for the devils a punishment (of) the Blaze."
Where ruzjuman is ofcourse NOT "projectiles".
You are missing the essential point what are you interpreting this Verse as, iyo what is being conveyed by Allah?
What is your understanding of ruzjuman if it is not the most obvious "projectiles" /"pelted stones"/i.e. comets, shooting stars, asteroids ???
A lot of you claim that my interpretations are regressive for the deen but my interpretation is truthful and points to Allah describing another wonderous of His Signs and observable scientific phenomenaSo what is your full and complete understanding Bender?
-
Imran are you Pakistani? I thought you was Egyptian wow
it dosent matter as long we have same God and same color of blood with same emotions, lol, i m not rasict in any sense, but one day i will go to egypt if God wants me to, lol
-
This universe is full of wonder... and as time progress it will be revealed..
The underwater life is just a very tiny fraction of wonder available in this universe..
Very soon another 'strange' life form will also be revealed..Thus how could anyone say that God's revelation has ended 1400 years ago?
green yeh no doubt abbout it,
red , yeh everyday science is giving us new surprises , i was watching a documentry in which they research on some island and they find 10000 new species which was never seen before,
blue infact 1400 years ago God give us the complete set of research in the shape of quran to explore things infact quran is nothing more than a miracle by itself, and if we think properly thats what the reason prophet muhammand never claim any miracle , it was the age of literature and learning science works, with the passage of time understanding of natural laws revelaed by geniuis and interestingly every genius claim they seen dreams about their discovries which help them a lot to soliving equations, infact miracles age people never changed much and they reject it like in the era of moses and jesus christ they show live miracles to them but they still continue to disbeleive,
the time of revelation of quran was in perfect order with modern age and it requirements,
-
Where ruzjuman is ofcourse NOT "projectiles".
this word in sense of noun used twice once as a MISSILE/PROJECTILE/STONE once as a guess,
18 22
675but missiles is some metaphorical sense it may be wrong we have to go to root meaning for this then we will b able too understand what does it really means
ALLAH KNOWS BESTinterestingly missiles were not invented at the the time of revelation,lol so interpreting it for the people of that time may confuse them
-
this world in sense of noun used twice once as a missile once as a guess,
18 22
675but missiles is some metaphorical sense it may be wrong we have to go to root meaning for this then we will b able too understand what does it really means
ALLAH KNOWS BESTWhy do you guys pretend yo don't know about ruzjuman?
Why not just take a look at PRLRa-Jiim-Miim = to stone, cast stones, stone to death, curse, revile, expel, put a stone (on a tomb), speak conjecturally, conjectures, guess, surmise, the act of beating or battering the ground with the feet. rajmun - conjecture, guesswork, missile. rujum - shooting stars, throw off, damned, thrown off with curse. marajim - foul speech. marjum - stoned.
rajama vb. (1)
perf. act. 1191
impf. act. 1820, 1946, 3618, 4420
n.vb. (rajm, pl. rujum) 1822, 675
pcple. pass. 26116rajim n.m. 336, 1517, 1534, 1698, 3877, 8125
It denotes throwing/casting or pelting stones in Classical Arabic Lexicons
http//ejtaal.net/aa/img/ll/10/ll-1090.png
Let us stop pretending and seek the truth genuinely if you are Muslimina
-
You are missing the essential point what are you interpreting this Verse as, iyo what is being conveyed by Allah?
What is your understanding of ruzjuman if it is not the most obvious "projectiles" /"pelted stones"/i.e. comets, shooting stars, asteroids ???
A lot of you claim that my interpretations are regressive for the deen but my interpretation is truthful and points to Allah describing another wonderous of His Signs and observable scientific phenomenaSo what is your full and complete understanding Bender?
Red I think razjm means something like "valueless".
Blue There are more words in your translation with which I do not agree, like "nearest heaven", "lamps" etc but to put it in the same words as your translation, I think it should be understood something like this.
"And certainly We have beautified the nearest heaven with lamps, and We have made the nearest heaven valueless for devils, and We have prepared for the devils a punishment (of) the Blaze."
-
this word in sense of noun used twice once as a MISSILE/PROJECTILE/STONE once as a guess,
18 22
675but missiles is some metaphorical sense it may be wrong we have to go to root meaning for this then we will b able too understand what does it really means
ALLAH KNOWS BESTinterestingly missiles were not invented at the the time of revelation,lol so interpreting it for the people of that time may confuse them
Hi,
stoning/missiles/projectiles/etc does not make in a single verse sense.
Most of times the word is used with shaytaan, and there is one thing for sure shaytaan is not stoned.
Where it is used with people like in 3618It also does not make sense.
WA =AND
What is there to punish left after stoning? So stoning or similar understandings have to be filtered out.
Stoning is nothing more then a shaytaan act invented by some evil shayateen.By the way I believe that there are no primitive words in the quran as "stoning".
Stoning/beheading/electric chair/etc are not rich words, I believe quran uses only rich words like torture/painful/degrade/etc -
Red I think razjm means something like "valueless".
Blue There are more words in your translation with which I do not agree, like "nearest heaven", "lamps" etc but to put it in the same words as your translation, I think it should be understood something like this.
"And certainly We have beautified the nearest heaven with lamps, and We have made the nearest heaven valueless for devils, and We have prepared for the devils a punishment (of) the Blaze."
wow
Bender are you familiar with corpus and word for word translations. They are the most accurate translations for that matter.
Which translations do you use. Because using corpus.quran.com I can see grammar, syntax, morphology, transliteration, root concordance and it has a link for the trilateral root of words directly to Project Root List----> which has links to an archive of over 2 dozens of Arabic Lexicons.This is the pipeline I utilize to ensure the translation is accurate I do not satisfy myself with a miser Sahih translation.
This is not MY translation.This is how ALL translators translate this ayaat and others.
What are your methods?
Bender think deeply.
What other possible twisted interpretation can you give into before you accept that what I am telling you is the sound truth?
1)There is no aspect of the root ra-jim-mim that conveys "valueless" it makes no sense in these ayaat describing the devils being "repelled".
Do not make up stuff just because you are unsure, you are essentially saying about Allah what you do not know. Fear Allah if you are indeed a Muslimina brother and take heed in my explanations.
You cannot do away with the interpretation I and the other poster Recluse have brought forth.
2)Valueless makes no sense in this context not in all the other instances in the Quran.
3)You have a primitive understanding of ruzjuman to mean stoning as the chucking of stones.
But it entails a much more sophisticated meaning, like "projectile comet/shootingstar/asteroid" This is an observable scientific phenomena being described by Allah. Another Sign, how can you deny this? It is clear.4)Did Allah not make stones rain down on the companions of Lut?
Was that also primitive?6)For the benefit of all I have explained that these translations are canonical and academically sound.
Now you bring forth your work and methodology or else stop talking about disagreeing with these translations, if you have no material. -
wow
Bender are you familiar with corpus and word for word translations. They are the most accurate translations for that matter.
Which translations do you use. Because using corpus.quran.com I can see grammar, syntax, morphology, transliteration, root concordance and it has a link for the trilateral root of words directly to Project Root List----> which has links to an archive of over 2 dozens of Arabic Lexicons.This is the pipeline I utilize to ensure the translation is accurate I do not satisfy myself with a miser Sahih translation.
This is not MY translation.This is how ALL translators translate this ayaat and others.
What are your methods?
Bender think deeply.
What other possible twisted interpretation can you give into before you accept that what I am telling you is the sound truth?
1)There is no aspect of the root ra-jim-mim that conveys "valueless" it makes no sense in these ayaat describing the devils being "repelled".
Do not make up stuff just because you are unsure, you are essentially saying about Allah what you do not know. Fear Allah if you are indeed a Muslimina brother and take heed in my explanations.
You cannot do away with the interpretation I and the other poster Recluse have brought forth.
2)Valueless makes no sense in this context not in all the other instances in the Quran.
3)You have a primitive understanding of ruzjuman to mean stoning as the chucking of stones.
But it entails a much more sophisticated meaning, like "projectile comet/shootingstar/asteroid" This is an observable scientific phenomena being described by Allah. Another Sign, how can you deny this? It is clear.4)Did Allah not make stones rain down on the companions of Lut?
Was that also primitive?6)For the benefit of all I have explained that these translations are canonical and academically sound.
Now you bring forth your work and methodology or else stop talking about disagreeing with these translations, if you have no material.It doesn't matter how many tools/dictionaries/whatever you bring, in the end the HA will still refer to "alsamaa aldunya" and it totally changes the understanding of the verse.
The reason why I left "razjm" in first place untranslated is that I knew/know that you will never agree (or see a point) to any translation I give it. And because my english is not good enough, my understanding of the word is different from the word I choose to give it, but "valueless" comes at this moment the closest to what I have in mind.
-
It doesn't matter how many tools/dictionaries/whatever you bring, in the end the HA will still refer to "alsamaa aldunya" and it totally changes the understanding of the verse.
No it doesn't....
(puts hand over face)Bender, you cannot make this claim when you are failing to explain HOW and when you are retracting your previous "valueless" interpretation. You are still in doubt about the meaning of all this. I honestly do not want you to haste with the Quran but don't make claims you cannot support just to oppose me because you dislike the understanding which is clear to me.The reason why I left "razjm" in first place untranslated is that I knew/know that you will never agree (or see a point) to any translation I give it. And because my english is not good enough, my understanding of the word is different from the word I choose to give it, but "valueless" comes at this moment the closest to what I have in mind.
It is not about not agreeing you did not present an understanding that suffices logic, context, meaning of the root...on and on...
This is has nothing to do with language, I actually was under the impression you were an English native speaker.
You know what Bender, it is okay then there is no argument between us. The understanding has not reached you yet.
But that is also even more reason why you should not deny or ridicule me, because I am certain of it and Allah Guides the believers. -
No it doesn't....
(puts hand over face)Bender, you cannot make this claim when you are failing to explain HOW and when you are retracting your previous "valueless" interpretation. You are still in doubt about the meaning of all this. I honestly do not want you to haste with the Quran but don't make claims you cannot support just to oppose me because you dislike the understanding which is clear to me.It is not about not agreeing you did not present an understanding that suffices logic, context, meaning of the root...on and on...
This is has nothing to do with language, I actually was under the impression you were an English native speaker.
You know what Bender, it is okay then there is no argument between us. The understanding has not reached you yet.
But that is also even more reason why you should not deny or ridicule me, because I am certain of it and Allah Guides the believers.I do not dislike your understanding, I just think it not the best understanding, just like you think mine is not best, that's all.
And sorry if I ridiculed you in some way.