Question regarding transsexualism in the Quran
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@ Savage carrot, i meant myself (though i can't call myself a fully-fledged pegasister as i've only completed 2 seasons so far) ;D
And a comment on the following posts what the... ?
I preferred Care Bears to the Ponies, that's how much of a rebel I was...Not sure when you joined the forum, but don't mind us...crazy happens occasionally and um, welcome to the forum
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i meant myself (though i can't call myself a fully-fledged pegasister as i've only completed 2 seasons so far) ;D
its mean you are still under construction.
same like underconstruction building, its under construction women.
And a comment on the following posts what the... ?
aww dnt worry about these posts , it was part of fun , we always talk serious quranic issue so today i was about to change the rythum
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its mean you are still under construction.
same like underconstruction building, its under construction women.
aww dnt worry about these posts , it was part of fun , we always talk serious quranic issue so today i was about to change the rythum
I was actually referring to the fact that i haven't watched the full series so i can't call myself an obsessive fan yet ;D
And yeah, i noticed it was getting weird. (but my conversation with savage carrot wasn't any less weird)
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bender u are very naughty, i think he is not male, becoz its first time i m encountring mr or miss savage carrot , and i just check his/her profile nothing gender mention there. see thats what happen when u try to uncover the skin of hair.lolx
Just be careful, it knows The Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique yes
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lolxx i hope u will have a nice night, group gang love lolx
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I was actually referring to the fact that i haven't watched the full series so i can't call myself an obsessive fan yet ;D
hmm allright, i was thinking something else.
And yeah, i noticed it was getting weird. (but my conversation with savage carrot wasn't any less weird)
lol, ;D humor is a part of happy life
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Okay, sorry, that does end the discussion. I wrote a whole fell-funded answer (as i always did in this topic), but after saying insulting things like this, there is no point in continuing to talk with you.
http//i.picpar.com/luQb.jpg
http//www.advocate.com/politics/commentary/2011/09/27/oped-live-world-where-everyone-has-hiv
im not pulling this out of nowhere, i didn't write this as an insult, i simply reported on what i sawYou're alienated from reality, and as long as you don't face reality, you'll only become more frustrated. You've been constantly claiming things about the west are just not true and not even realistic, and you keep on insisting on reliability of data which is by current technology impossible to be reliable or complete. Math revolves around one thing reliable data.
CDC, WHO, and others provide reliable data.
I'm not the one running away from reliable data.
A fact that is very visible to the naked eye is that God created a diverse and beautiful world.
What LGBT folks do is not part of it. It goes directly against the quran.
Just saying. Look at folsom street fair. That's enough for me.
You're using fallacious argumentation to dismiss what i have to write. You're attacking my ability to understand mathematics when you're the one who's been dismissing reliable statistics and empirical data all this time.
You're right for one thing, we have to agree to disagree.
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somewhere i was studying the first virus of HIV was happened due to homosexulty and they both were gays, something like that,
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CDC, WHO, and others provide reliable data.
I'm not the one running away from reliable data.
What LGBT folks do is not part of it. It goes directly against the quran.You didn't quote CDC or WHO even once. You only linked to news articles who quote these reports, but haven't shown me the actual reports even once. Yet you ignore this argument, despite me pointing it out many times. The fact that neither of us knows what the report actually says and what the context of this report is, means that makes your own argument invalid. Yet you keep on using invalid statistics to desperately proof your point which does not seem to align with reality at all. If i know the true context of the reports, then i can critically answer to them. Now i can only tell it's most likely taken out of its context. The actual report probably talks about the context of the people they surveyed in a detailed way. The news article however does not mention anything about that. If you truly think a small sample of the people without any context is representative for everybody in a whole country, you don't understand one of the core principles of scientific research. There's a big difference between 'studies suggest' and 'studies confirm'. No matter the context, considering the relatively small sample, this research only suggests. If you keep on insisting they literally researched every single LGBT person in the country, whilst they clearly didn't... Well, i do not understand your stubbornness at all.
Keep this in mind ignorance does not change the reality itself, it only changes your perception of reality. Math is not an excuse for ignorance.
One thing i know if 'facts' are not aligned with reality, then the facts are incomplete. Serious scientists always admit their research isn't complete, and the ones who claim they know everything never get taken seriously, except by sensationalist news websites.Also please stop generalising 'the LGBT community' as if it was a homogenous - no pun intended - community. It is not. The so-called community you are familiar with probably goes against the Quran, the majority of the communities i'm familiar with don't go against it at all, or are 'up for debate'. And when taking the very low references to LGBT issues in the Quran in the context it's written in and the context of the actual world, it doesn't even once say it is wrong in se, but wrong depending on the reasonings behind it. Again, i repeat context. Or do you think God condemns context? (of course he doesnt!)
As i said before, these numbers seem realistic in some communities. But it does not sound realistic at all when taking in mind all the different types of communities that exist.I suggest you discontinue your involvement in this topic to spare yourself from further face loss.
@imrankhawaja that sounds plausible. But again, it only tells you about some homosexuals, which are still a minority, no matter how you toss and turn the facts. Or do you all still think we live in an eighties gay-disco-orgy and they're all dressed like He-Man?
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Sinem if you are indeed of the truthful then yours is a trial so endure it. God created men for women and women for men.
You will be transgressing if your answer to any of the following is yes
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Are you planning on altering your body with hormonal therapy or surgery? Are you going to change the way you were created?
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if you are attracted to men, do you plan on one day being intimate with men? Do you wish to approach men with lust?
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In other news, in Pakistan http//www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-pakistan-transgender-decree-20160628-snap-story.html
thats old story though
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Salam,
How can this be a medical issue...This is a test for you perhaps.
Since your child is so young, he isn't mature enough to make decisions for himself.
6415 Your money and children are a test, and with God is a great recompense.I personally think surgery to change gender is immorality.
Then we also have this verse
2052 He said ?The knowledge of it is with my Lord, in a record. My Lord does not err or forget.?If God had wanted your boy to be born a girl, He would made it. God doesn't err, nor forget.
Then we have the issue about future. Your boy was born a boy. If he goes through that surgery and marries a man later, it will still be committing homosexuality. I can't find verse now, but homosexuality is sinful.
Salam
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I noticed this was 7 years ago brickwall brickwall
Salam
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Just thought it was interesting that traditionalists "accept" transgenders in the Pakistani community.
What does you think it's interesting mean exactly? I am questioning you because your post seems like a subliminal direct response to me. Do you see me as wrong?
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What does you think it's interesting mean exactly? I am questioning you because your post seems like a subliminal direct response to me. Do you see me as wrong?
I just think the problems surrounding transgenders is bigger than people realize. I would disagree with your conclusions yes. It sounds like Pakistan is working towards some form of general acceptance of Pakistani transgenders, but it is also recognized in the article that there are definitely hurdles to get through for that community. Like this thread, there are opposite opinions being expressed in the article.
This topic has been debated a lot in this thread and in the real world so it's unlikely any of us are going to reach an consensus. And that's fine.