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Does Fasting End at Sunset or at Night?

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    aqua
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    An article I've written on this subject

    http//www.sparklywater.com/articles/ramadan-fasting

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      Wakas
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      peace aqua,

      Not that I think when one ends their abstinence is a big deal, i.e. at twilight or a little later, BUT your article contains multiple errors
      http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608453.msg389009#msg389009
      http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608453.msg389096#msg389096

      In addition

      Re 3637 "min" is a partitive, i.e. daytime is literally removed FROM al layl, so then (time adverb, i.e. time has gone by) they are those in darkness.

      You overlook that in 1886 "setting" is in imperfect, i.e. an action ongoing, this is after the use of "maghrib" (the alleged sunset word), so "maghrib" doesn't indicate the sun has departed etc.

      All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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        Mazhar
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        Night starts with its use instead of also contains information that the Sun does not set along a vertical line but at an angle. It is because of the Earth's tilt. The path of the Sun is curved, tilted relative to the horizon.

        The beginning and phases of the night

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          Aladin_from_Azra_tribe
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          Night, day, the Sun and the Moon have their "falak" (pl. of "fulk&quot. This means that they're independent of each other.
          The day and the night's start and end has nothing with the Sun (nor the Moon).

          I wonder where you have found "Earth's tilt" in the Qur'an... Have you found "fulk" of the Earth? I haven't, and I know it doesn't exist, it's just sihr from fasiqoon.

          As said in 7320 we cannot calculate day and night, but how to fast? We have told that the Sun and the Moon are ayats of the day and the night, so if we see the Sun we should know that it's day for sure, and if we see the Moon we should know that it's night. What if we see both? It means that it's night and day same time. Is it?

          We should also know that the Sun and the Moon are "daibayn" which means their behaviour can be predictable, so we can calculate all about them, as the time and place when and where we can see them, or stop seeing them, their orbits, eclipses and so on. But, in the same ayat the night and the day are mentioned, but it's not said that they're daibayn, because they're not. We cannot predict them.

          We should fast till we see the Moon (night's ayat) or till we see any darkness, for which we're sure that it's from the night. In any case, this is before sunset, as day(light) starts before sunrise. 9104 is a proof that the night starts before the Sun sets.

          If we're not sure we can wait for sunset, or for total darkness, even there's no need for this. We should all ourselves understand what is "al-layl" and fast according to that.

          Allah's bless and salam.

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