What is the true Victory?
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Dear Wakas, have you ever bothered to read my slogan signature below my posts. It is,
"Be aware, knowledge is not static. My knowledge of Classic Arabic is evolving too. Hence my understanding of the message continues to evolve. I think, learn, unlearn, relearn and then believe; not believe and claim to know it all."
What is it that you find gibberish? Be objective so we can have rationale discussion for mutual learning.
Regards,
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it will be one more version after that,, this is fourth I think...
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Dear Imran can't you see the state of commotion? It didn't get established in one day. Objective is to dispel it with the truth not intimidation, force, threats or fatawas of apostasy.
lol my dear brother I did not threat you or declare any fatwa. its between you and God make sure what you are doing with the message of God its a act of something which is very serious ,,, you are on other words try to correct God , or try to correct Arabic or try to tell us the Arabic message of that time was infact what you are interpreting in English.. I have no idea..
it would be helpful for me if you tell me a little bit background(from the era of the reciver of quran) of all that work before sharing the revised versions,,, so that I easily understand it all..
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u make me remind of mr shabbir translations ,, he also have a style like this but his method was easy to understand and although message he interpreted in the form of explainations but it barely contradict with original meanings... but your message is bit hard to understand...
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Yes I read your signature.
What is it that you find gibberish? Be objective so we can have rationale discussion for mutual learning.
Dont take my subjective word for it. Read your translation to 5 different people (ideally ones not familiar with your translations) then ask them what are some of the main messages of this work? do you regard this work as clear?
For every variance or negative answer or confused response you get, give $10 to charity. Let us know how much money you end up donating, then we'll talk some more.
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Surah 110 1
Wakas used the word gibberish for this rendition
Whenever, ideology of one who doesn?t worship shall transpire as the conqueror. Let us see it.
Then it shall help in comprehending the state of commotion. Therefore, they shall enter in multitudes into customs and habits of one who doesn?t worship.
Surah 110 3
Then go to and fro, accomplishing the merit and value of your foundation (Rabb); as well seeking it as a covering. Indeed, this is how deep remorse and regret is always expressed.
To which word in the earlier sentence "it" is referent?
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I also did not get " THE ONE WHO DOSENT WORSHIP"
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Surah 110 1
Wakas used the word gibberish for this rendition
Whenever, ideology of one who doesn?t worship shall transpire as the conqueror. Let us see it.
Then it shall help in comprehending the state of commotion. Therefore, they shall enter in multitudes into customs and habits of one who doesn?t worship.
Surah 110 3
Then go to and fro, accomplishing the merit and value of your foundation (Rabb); as well seeking it as a covering. Indeed, this is how deep remorse and regret is always expressed.
To which word in the earlier sentence "it" is referent?
Mazhar, "it" doesn't need to refer to a single word, it can as a pronoun refer to a concept already introduced to listeners. Here, it is referring to a concept of ideology of one who doesn't worship, in previous verse. This concept once widespread and understood well, shall help multitude of people to comprehend that concept of deity/deities for worship and concept of worship itself are the eternal causes for the state of commotion in humans.
Just think about it and look at realities of today and you shall find out that this claim is a fact and reality.
Imran you are not understanding it, because you have either not read following at all, or not read with care.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599853.0
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peace.
Prehaps it is some problem with my logic, but i fail to understand what your translations are talking about. i actualy had to read the arabic to be able to understand it.
God says he made the Quran clear, and this seems to be anything but clear.
I would seriously consider what you are doing with the quran, as God does not approve of people distorting his words.. i am not saying you are, God knows and i do not, but that is what it seems like to me. i find it very hard to follow.
Peace
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peace.
Prehaps it is some problem with my logic, but i fail to understand what your translations are talking about. i actualy had to read the arabic to be able to understand it.
God says he made the Quran clear, and this seems to be anything but clear.
I would seriously consider what you are doing with the quran, as God does not approve of people distorting his words.. i am not saying you are, God knows and i do not, but that is what it seems like to me. i find it very hard to follow.
Peace
Timotheus, which god you are talking about. The one who might have created the text of Quran, or the one who translated its text some 250 years after its supposed advent? One who created the text is saying there is no deity for worship and we shouldn't be worshiping at all.
Just ask yourself do you really know and understand that Arabic text yourself first hand with intermediaries of translation? Certainly, your answer is going to a resounding NO. Then pound what are you doing and what shall you be doing?
Regards,
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Timotheus, which god you are talking about. The one who might have created the text of Quran, or the one who translated its text some 250 years after its supposed advent? One who created the text is saying there is no deity for worship and we shouldn't be worshiping at all.
Just ask yourself do you really know and understand that Arabic text yourself first hand with intermediaries of translation? Certainly, your answer is going to a resounding NO. Then pound what are you doing and what shall you be doing?
Regards,
Peace
I believe in the One who revealed the Quran, who promised to protect it from corruption, the One who says..la ilaha ila hu
No object of worship EXCEPT HIMi know enough arabic to know this, and more, so please dont presume to know anything about me, when in fact, you do not i learned this WITHOUT anyone elses help except Gods, how? because..
al-rahman Alam-al-quran
The Most Gracious, taught the Quran"Just ask yourself do you really know and understand that Arabic text yourself first hand with intermediaries of translation? "
So.. you want me to make you my intermediary???
No thanks.God is sufficient for me.
for you are your deeds and for me are mine.Peace
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Did I ask you to follow me?
If you think you already know enough Arabic, you likely know nothing and will never know anything. However, if you are sincere about learning it. Keep striving on and you would know the truth one day.
Regards,
Peace,
now you are distorting my words!!!i said this
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la ilaha ila hu
No object of worship EXCEPT HIMi know enough arabic to know this, and more
"anyway, i do not desire to argue with you, i simply wished to remind you, prehaps the reminder would benefit.
I choose to place my trust in God, and he is sufficient to gaurd his revelation.. one point of note.."whether arabic or non arabic it is, for those who believe, a guidance and a mercy"
Language is irrilevent. God guides whomever he wills, and leaves to stray whomever he wills
May God guide us all. Peace
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@ bkanwar , if you revised the chapter 112 how you will revise it.. I just want to know the idealogy behind the understanding you have..
peace
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@ bkanwar , if you revised the chapter 112 how you will revise it.. I just want to know the idealogy behind the understanding you have..
peace
Imran, hope you realize there is a difference between the meanings of words ideology and methodology? Did you mean my methodology? I have no ideology of my own. I am just a student of the text of Quran.
Regards,
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Imran, hope you realize there is a difference between the meanings of words ideology and methodology? Did you mean my methodology? I have no ideology of my own. I am just a student of the text of Quran.
Regards,
actually I wanted to know is there is something wrong with other translations or their meanings are different from what you learn from text.. what I understand you just interpreting in hard way .. or using some substitute words sometimes it works sometime it cause confusion may be I still did not get .. just let me know what is it then it will be easy for me to understand ..
peace
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Peace,
brother i do appologize, as my conduct yesterday, was less than what God expects of us as believers. and i do hope my lord will forgive me.i was quite confronting and rude, and the way i went about it was not ok.
what i was trying to say is that, I find it quite hard to follow your translation. Prehaps i am missing context, and you could, god willing, explain somewhat the context of some concepts i dont understand?
Peace
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If you do really consider me your brother. Then there is no need for apology, brothers don't apologizes. They love each other.
I by no means claim to know all Quran. I am trying to understand. I know with reasonable certainty that Allah means "one who doesn't engage in worship", based upon understanding the spellings. Which is the only method to understand any text.
This understanding not only nullifies entire religion Islam, but also all other religions of the world.
