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Why do they say that they have the knowledge of the unseen. Books full of it...

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    Zulf
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    Please clarify

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      no body know whats behind the curtain... there is also a verse like this..

      its Allah who have all knowledge of present past and future , but there is another thing... if God want he can let anybody know what they want to know.. everybody have a speical link with rabb and he know the innnermost thought of our mind...

      God knows what happen to them in this world and what will happen to them hereafter, they did not encompass anything of his knowledge excpet what he will,, chapter 2 255

      peace

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        Please clarify

        When i was ignorant i had books that were distributed among the "salafis" and "sunnis" with whole stories about what they thought will happen in the Herafter when we die.

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          no body know whats behind the curtain... there is also a verse like this..

          its Allah who have all knowledge of present past and future , but there is another thing... if God want he can let anybody know what they want to know.. everybody have a speical link with rabb and he know the innnermost thought of our mind...

          God knows what happen to them in this world and what will happen to them hereafter, they did not encompass anything of his knowledge excpet what he will,, chapter 2 255

          peace

          Point is that their books are written by people who didn't have authority? And in the end we find major flaws and contradictions in them.

          The Quran is complete in justice and fully detailed after all. Even in the Torah/Psalms/Gospel i didn't read the details about the Herafter that i have found in the Quran.

          May my Lord guide me.

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            Point is that their books are written by people who didn't have authority? And in the end we find major flaws and contradictions in them.

            The Quran is complete in justice and fully detailed after all. Even in the Torah/Psalms/Gospel i didn't read the details about the Herafter that i have found in the Quran.

            May my Lord guide me.

            quran is very clear about it...

            and quran is telling to audience the life of a person who died in the sake of God is( alive ) but your are not aware about the in which sense of alive he is.. apparently his body died but the character/spirit never died it trnsform to annother form or dimenshn.. so Allah is telling us we dnt know what that dimenshn is... becoz we simpy cannot understand the phenomenon behind all this untill we are alive...with body..

            then another set of hereafter is judgement day there are also some hints in the shape of examples and for people who was rightoeus they have jooyful life compared to the people who were wicked..

            and the state of between death and judgement day is compared as sleep , but for sure our actions will be blocked or locked so dat we are disconnected with this life span..

            but problem with our scholars they try to show the books like grave punishment, the view of death with horrible face of ghosts on title make people scared lol,, and they write lot of shit which is contradicting with quran..

            for sure whatever is hereafter nobody can explain as it need to get learn , when death approach somebody...
            when you was not born do u have anything in my mind forget about going in future lets go back,, can you let me know where was you or what you was doing 100 years ago... its a big science between all of this and God create all of this not for mere play,, ponder over it...

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              quran is very clear about it...

              and quran is telling to audience the life of a person who died in the sake of God is( alive ) but your are not aware about the in which sense of alive he is.. apparently his body died but the character/spirit never died it trnsform to annother form or dimenshn.. so Allah is telling us we dnt know what that dimenshn is... becoz we simpy cannot understand the phenomenon behind all this untill we are alive...with body..

              then another set of hereafter is judgement day there are also some hints in the shape of examples and for people who was rightoeus they have jooyful life compared to the people who were wicked..

              and the state of between death and judgement day is compared as sleep , but for sure our actions will be blocked or locked so dat we are disconnected with this life span..

              but problem with our scholars they try to show the books like grave punishment, the view of death with horrible face of ghosts on title make people scared lol,, and they write lot of shit which is contradicting with quran..

              for sure whatever is hereafter nobody can explain as it need to get learn , when death approach somebody...
              when you was not born do u have anything in my mind forget about going in future lets go back,, can you let me know where was you or what you was doing 100 years ago... its a big science between all of this and God create all of this not for mere play,, ponder over it...

              Exactly.

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                You are asking why people do what people do, or why they do something apparently contradicting?
                Well, in both cases, there is no clear answer, except that we all live in our own worlds and believe what we believe.
                Don't expect sense from human beings. Even insane things are logical to the insane.

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                  You are asking why people do what people do, or why they do something apparently contradicting?
                  Well, in both cases, there is no clear answer, except that we all live in our own worlds and believe what we believe.
                  Don't expect sense from human beings. Even insane things are logical to the insane.

                  I just wanted to share the message. Since i was one of those that followed those books that claim to contain knowledge about the unseen.

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                    I just wanted to share the message. Since i was one of those that followed those books that claim to contain knowledge about the unseen.

                    the word unseen is enough to understand what actually it is,, and only the one who create unseen can view unseen, and its our lord..

                    if somebody say he see unseen it seems he is contradicting with his own words , when unseen can be seen its no longer unseen hmm

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                      the word unseen is enough to understand what actually it is,, and only the one who create unseen can view unseen, and its our lord..

                      if somebody say he see unseen it seems he is contradicting with his own words , when unseen can be seen its no longer unseen hmm

                      They belief that also the books written by the persian bukhari are containing revelations of God. But yet that can't be the case since those books are full with error.

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                        They belief that also the books written by the persian bukhari are containing revelations of God. But yet that can't be the case since those books are full with error.

                        no doubt.

                        humanbeing = error

                        God = perfectly perfect

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                          the word unseen is enough to understand what actually it is,, and only the one who create unseen can view unseen, and its our lord..

                          if somebody say he see unseen it seems he is contradicting with his own words , when unseen can be seen its no longer unseen hmm

                          Still, there are some people who can perceive (sense in different ways, and even actually see) unseen things. Of course, they're usually made fun of.

                          The question is what does 'unseen' mean in the Quranic context?

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                            Still, there are some people who can perceive (sense in different ways, and even actually see) unseen things. Of course, they're usually made fun of.

                            The question is what does 'unseen' mean in the Quranic context?

                            its ilm e gayab or hidden side its a long topic actually have lot of sub routes...

                            but most important part when we start reading chapter two. we can undersstand the unseen is believing in God with logics.. offcourse we cannot percieve it by eyes...

                            who believe in that which is beyond the reach of human perception, and are constant in prayer, and spend on others out of what We provide for them as sustenance; 2 3

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                              The question is what does 'unseen' mean in the Quranic context?

                              I guess you are talking about the word "ghayb".
                              I don't think it means unseen.
                              I think it's something that has past the present/the reality one is living in. As it can not be witnessed anymore by us.

                              examples
                              It is Allah who created the heavens and earth => this is ghayb information, we can never check this.
                              The story of Yusuf => ghayb information, we can never check this.

                              It has nothing to do with seeing dead people, ghosts, etc etc etc

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                                here are some verses , that give better understanding of unseen ,inshAllah

                                He said, "O Adam, inform them of their names." And when he had informed them of their names, He said, "Did I not tell you that I know the unseen of the heavens and the earth? And I know what you reveal and what you have concealed." 2 33

                                O you who have believed, Allah will surely test you through something of the game that your hands and spears reach, that Allah may make evident those who fear Him unseen. And whoever transgresses after that ? for him is a painful punishment.5 94

                                Say, , "I do not tell you that I have the depositories of Allah or that I know the unseen, nor do I tell you that I am an angel. I only follow what is revealed to me." Say, "Is the blind equivalent to the seeing? Then will you not give thought?"6 50

                                And with Him are the keys of the unseen; none knows them except Him. And He knows what is on the land and in the sea. Not a leaf falls but that He knows it. And no grain is there within the darknesses of the earth and no moist or dry but that it is in a clear record. 6 59

                                And they say, "Why is a sign not sent down to him from his Lord?" So say, "The unseen is only for Allah , so wait; indeed, I am with you among those who wait." 10 20

                                And to Allah belongs the unseen of the heavens and the earth. And the command for the Hour is not but as a glance of the eye or even nearer. Indeed, Allah is over all things competent. 16 77

                                gardens of perpetual residence which the Most Merciful has promised His servants in the unseen. Indeed, His promise has ever been coming. 19 61

                                Knower of the unseen and the witnessed, so high is He above what they associate . 23 92

                                peace

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