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Was the Quran we have now written and authorised by Mohammed the Prophet ?

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    Hizbullah
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    Example of diversion from standard text

    Several words are missing within a paragraph leading to a different meaning

    Sahih International translation ?? (if) they turn away, Allah will punish them with a painful punishment in this world and the Hereafter. And there will not be for them on earth any protector or helper.

    Sana'a manuscript, ?DAM 0 1-27.1?, translation ?? (if) they turn away, Allah will punish them in this world. And there will not be for them on earth any protector or helper.

    The finishing letter, ?Alif?, in ?yatawallaw?, ?they turn away?, found in today?s standard text of the Quran is missing in the early manuscript under discussion, as indicated by the empty box with a black frame above. Moreover, in the the verb ?yu?addibhum?, ?he (Allah) will punish them?, found on ?Fol. 16r, Z.13?, is not explained with ?adaban aliman?, ?with a painful punishment?, as in the Standard Text (StT). There one finds ?fi?l-dunya wa-?l-ahirati?, ?in this world and in the Hereafter.? The Sana'a manuscript contains only ?in this world? and therefore fits better with the end of the verse in both versions ?And there will not be for them on earth any protector or helper.?

    Emphasis mine.

    http//www.answering-islam.org/authors/oskar/palimpsest.html

    THUS NO PAINFUL PUNISHMENT IN HEREAFTER IN 974 ACCORDING TO SANA'A PALIMPSEST.

    This monumental discovery of a Quran palimpsest could be the smoking gun evidence of possible deliberate human tampering of Quranic verses and casts a doubt over 100% authenticity of the current Arabic text of al-Quran. I am eagerly awaiting completion of research on remaining 40 folios of Sana'a palimpsest and all 15000 Sana'a manuscripts, and archeological discovery of the entire first original Arabic text of al-Quran for further evidence and to see the full extent of such tampering.

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    "Yemeni authorities already debarred Puin and Bothmer from further examination of those manuscripts. In fact, now they do not allow anyone to see those manuscripts anymore except some very carefully selected non-Quranic parchments, which are at display at the ground floor of Dar al-Makhtutat Library."

    "Ursula Dreibholz, a preservation expert, who worked on the Sana?a project for eight years as the chief conservator, is much frustrated by seeing the lack of concern of Yemeni authorities to protect those manuscripts by using modern technology (1983, p. 30-8 ). Neither the security devices are correct, nor is adequate attention being given to the manuscripts to avoid further deterioration (1996, p. 131?45). In fact, Dreibholz (1999, p. 21?5) said that it was her greatest concern to create a safe and reliable permanent storage system for the restored fragments. Also, the poor storage hardly has any protection from insects and water. Most importantly, there is a lack of fire prevention or detection system, keeping in mind the truly catastrophic fires that have destroyed important libraries and artworks around the world throughout history. The Yemeni authorities said they have neither money nor means to install fire protection systems. She does not understand the genuine reason behind the apathy of Yemeni authorities."

    Emphasis mine.

    https//doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2010/10/23/will-the-ancient-quranic-manuscripts-be-the-downfall-of-islam/

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    There is also Muslim historical evidence about existence of various codices of al-quran at the time of death of the messenger which reportedly had significant differences.

    http//www.inthenameofallah.org/Codices%20of%20the%20Quran.html

    Reportedly, caliph Usman arbitrarily chose one of the codices (Zaid's codex) as the standard text of al-quran and burned the remaining! (for example codices of Ibn Masud and Ubayy Ibn Ka'b). Question is, what was he trying to hide and who give him the authority to do what he did? Muhammad? Gabriel? The Infinite Creator? The sectarians own traditions say that Muhammad preferred the knowledge of quran of Ibn Masud over all others. Guess whose codex was conveniently destroyed - the codex of Ibn Masud!

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    If al-zikr is divinely protected/preserved (159), the entire original Arabic text must be present somewhere on this Earth and will be discovered one day. Already the divine protection can be seen in action by the miraculous discovery of Sana'a palimpsest and through modern X-ray fluorescence and ultraviolet imaging technology.

    May the infinite Creator guide us to the truth.

    Quran 1590-91

    Just as We had revealed to the conspirators

    Who have made the Qur'an into form one could not comprehand

    The Quran already prophecised of its distortion made by the conspirators.

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      Adam_The_Warner
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      Peace.
      Here is another view?

      https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iaSY4BB-2Q

      Keep searching or the truth.
      GOD bless you.
      Peace.

      I have seen the video now for 2-3 times already.

      May our Lord increase our knowledge.

      I am really interested now in if the prophet Mohammed did write the Quran he received from God down and what happened to the book.

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        truthseeker11
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        Peace Adam,

        I am really interested now in if the prophet Mohammed did write the Quran he received from God down and what happened to the book.

        Please read chapter 5 of the following book "Conspiracies against the Quran" by Sayed Abdul Wadud, it answers your question in great detail

        http//www.free-minds.org/sites/default/files/Conspiracies.pdf

        Peace

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          Adam_The_Warner
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          Quran 1590-91

          Just as We had revealed to the conspirators

          Who have made the Qur'an into form one could not comprehand

          The Quran already prophecised of its distortion made by the conspirators.

          1590 As for the dividers in what We sent down.

          1591 Theones who have made the Qur'an partial.

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            huruf
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            Peace Adam,

            Please read chapter 5 of the following book "Conspiracies against the Quran" by Sayed Abdul Wadud, it answers your question in great detail

            http//www.free-minds.org/sites/default/files/Conspiracies.pdf

            Peace

            You are a treasur trove.

            Great
            . Salaam

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              Bender
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              You are a treasur trove.

              Great
              . Salaam

              Sometimes when people fail to comprehend something they seek refugee in conspiracies and conjecture.

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                Alper88
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                Another interesting view
                http//quransmessage.com/articles/the%20compilation%20of%20the%20quran%20FM3.htm

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                  imrankhawaja
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                  Was the Quran we have now written and authorised by Mohammed the Prophet ?

                  answer. indeed quran is authorised by God through a messenger.. and its free of violation...

                  if it was fixed the enemes of islam exposed it ages ago,,

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                    Adam_The_Warner
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                    Was the Quran we have now written and authorised by Mohammed the Prophet ?

                    answer. indeed quran is authorised by God through a messenger.. and its free of violation...

                    if it was fixed the enemes of islam exposed it ages ago,,

                    I want to know about how it was compiled. I also want to know about how the Gospel, Psalms and Torah are compiled.

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                      good_logic
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                      Peace Adam.
                      The million dollar question/statement, quote

                      I want to know about how it was compiled. I also want to know about how the Gospel, Psalms and Torah are compiled.

                      This requires hard work, deep research,patience, prayer, belief,trust in GOD Alone...Science ,logic,trust in GOD Alone...Dedication,study of Qoran/bible from cover to cover again and again, trust in GD Alone,...Checking of all information,trusting in GOD Alone...Faith and Reason,more study, trust in GOD Alone...etc...

                      Why did GOD renew His scriptures? Why did GOD protect the last revelation/Qoran? Or did He?...etc.

                      For example did GOD know we will have the technology and Sciences to check His words? Did GOD lock His words Mathematically so we can compare/check them against "men s words"?...

                      May the Lord guide you and give you the patience to dig deeper and deeper...etc.

                      GOD S promise is "certainty at the end o the sincere "journey"to ind GOD s truth.!!!
                      GOD bless you.
                      Peace.

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                        kentuckyfriedchicken
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                        I found this https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-HDFiC2boQ

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                          imrankhawaja
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                          I found this https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-HDFiC2boQ

                          i have plan to see these pages i m also living in birmingham....

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                            truthseeker11
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                            Peace all,

                            I found this https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-HDFiC2boQ

                            There were only 2 fragments (folios) that were discovered not the entire Quran manuscript as the title deceptively implies. Contrast that with approximately 15,000 parchment fragments from almost 900 Qurans that were discovered in Sanaa which were carbon dated to around the same time.

                            Peace

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                              Adam_The_Warner
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                              All praise due to God, Lord of the worlds.

                              Beautiful, by the will of God i saw that video a while ago.

                              I should pay a visit to that library because i live in the Netherlands, not far from England.

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                                All praise due to God, Lord of the worlds.

                                Beautiful, by the will of God i saw that video a while ago.

                                I should pay a visit to that library because i live in the Netherlands, not far from England.

                                be my guest when you come .. inshallah we will go together... i live in the brmingham

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                                  Adam_The_Warner
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                                  be my guest when you come .. inshallah we will go together... i live in the brmingham

                                  By the will of God, my goal is to go first to Jerusalem and bring a copy of the Torah, Psalms, Gospel and Quran with me )!

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                                    NewFreeMind
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                                    be my guest when you come .. inshallah we will go together... i live in the brmingham

                                    is the exhibition still on right?
                                    how did you find the manuscript, worth paying a visit?)

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                                      imrankhawaja
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                                      is the exhibition still on right?
                                      how did you find the manuscript, worth paying a visit?

                                      its untill 5th of august 2016 hardly ten days left , we need to pay a visit to birmingham library...

                                      they are not telling the story from where did they get it , i think as soon exibition finish they will introduce more pages , and earn money everytime thats what the idea i have in my mind God knows best.. its still a mystery how they found these pages...

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                                        its untill 5th of august 2016 hardly ten days left , we need to pay a visit to birmingham library...

                                        they are not telling the story from where did they get it , i think as soon exibition finish they will introduce more pages , and earn money everytime thats what the idea i have in my mind God knows best.. its still a mystery how they found these pages...

                                        That's interesting, the official story is that a researches bumped into a set of old manuscripts piled up somewhere and decided to radio carbon date them (something along those lines); how many pages are there at the moment? have they said that there are more pages to be introduced ?

                                        do you know where the manuscript is going ? I called them and they said that it will be at the museum until the 3rd of August but forgot to ask where it goes after and whether it's possible to see it.

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                                          imrankhawaja
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                                          That's interesting, the official story is that a researches bumped into a set of old manuscripts piled up somewhere and decided to radio carbon date them (something along those lines); how many pages are there at the moment? have they said that there are more pages to be introduced ?

                                          do you know where the manuscript is going ? I called them and they said that it will be at the museum until the 3rd of August but forgot to ask where it goes after and whether it's possible to see it.

                                          no i dnt have any idea where it will go afterwards... and i dnt know they have more pages ... but the official story is just a cover up there is something behind it with the passage of time they will let us know... now adays every fiels is more concerned about money rather than truth... thats what they are doing... its untill 5th august i think..

                                          btw are you from uk

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