Why Solomon build new temple when a central place of worship was in place
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Thanks all, for your feedback
Would you agree that all religions believe in certain sacred time, place, books, people, etc which is necessary to follow their rituals and practise their chosen/adopted/inherited religion(s). I understand that today's reality is that kaaba in Makkah is the central place for its followers - the sacred place. If that sacred place was in existence in ancient past also (must-be built by someone important), I wonder what could have been the reason for building another significantly important sacred place by another significantly important person belonging to the same religion. Was it for different purposes (education, administrative, location convenience, etc)? Does it mean that there were more than one sacred places that were simultaneously in active operations by different people/group within the same religion at the same time in past with equal importance?
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Would you agree that all religions believe in certain sacred time, place, books, people, etc which is necessary to follow their rituals and practise their chosen/adopted/inherited religion(s). I understand that today's reality is that kaaba in Makkah is the central place for its followers - the sacred place. If that sacred place was in existence in ancient past also (must-be built by someone important), I wonder what could have been the reason for building another significantly important sacred place by another significantly important person belonging to the same religion. Was it for different purposes (education, administrative, location convenience, etc)? Does it mean that there were more than one sacred places that were simultaneously in active operations by different people/group within the same religion at the same time in past with equal importance?
The Sabbath was made for men, not men for the Sabbath
-- Mark 2I don't think Solomon belong to the same religion (read Muslim) as those who do their ritual in Mecca, he certainly didn't recite the Shahada properly thus definitely disqualified to be a Muslim. And or he believe in the Quran (or Gospel) let alone Hadiths..
The "place of gathering" was built, as the name implied, as a place for gathering..
It's natural that people build the place of gathering near their location or at least easily reachable by the people that they invite to gather there..Having said that, as the history tells us..
After Solomon built that temple in Jerusalem, few generations after his past away, there's a civil war in the "Unified Kingdom of Israel", the kingdom was later splitted into two, the Northern and the Southern. The Northern gather around mount Gerizim, while the Southern gather around mount Zion (Jerusalem).Why? Because Jerusalem was not inside the territory of the Northern kingdom... so they decide to have a new place. The northerner later on shall be labeled as "Samarites" / "Samaritans"... and they by the Southerner are considered as "A different religion". The Samarites were despised by the Southerners (Judean) and vice versa...
Fast forward through time... we are now seeing a conflict between Sunnis and Shiites.
The Sunnis has clearly defined Shiites as "different religion".. They are 'dangerous', they are "not true Islam" and "We are the true Islam" etc.. etc..
The Sunnis in Mecca is now considering to ban the Shiites from performing their Hajj to Mecca, given they're 'different religion' now.. thus they're a 'kuffar' and their 'blood is halal to be shed'.Soon, it will not be surprising for the Shiites to have a separate and new place for gathering, perhaps closer to where they're living...
I hope the above explain the "reason" on 'building another important sacred place'.
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Peace Jafar,
Soon, it will not be surprising for the Shiites to have a separate and new place for gathering, perhaps closer to where they're living...
If this video is authentic then what you said has already happened
https//m.youtube.com/watch?v=FNnLC7lEGSE
Peace
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Peace Jafar,
If this video is authentic then what you said has already happened
https//m.youtube.com/watch?v=FNnLC7lEGSE
Peace
Voila, I'm not surprised at all..
In this universe there are patterns.. learn them.. and you can somehow predict the future events..
Karbala, is of course the natural choice for them.
I don't see anything wrong with it... -
Thanks Jafar, This means that the sacred place was not built by Abraham and also Solomon was not related to the same religion that considers that building in Makkah as the most sacred place and wrongly associate Abraham (Ibrahim) / Solomon (Sulayman) as part of their religion citing Quran verses as per their view and version of Islam.
Who's is actually corrupt? The group who try to form affiliations with past, OR the religion itself. If not both, should i stop breaking my head about one group/religion vs other and call ALL as corrupt/irrelevant. If I still insist that I am not an atheist and also no more a religious person, then who am I following / believing. Although, having or not having any sacred time, place, book, people is gradually becoming irrelevant for me, I still feel an urge to search for Rabb. Should I accept that all religious + non-religious sources (including rituals, scriptures, beliefs, concepts, people, etc) would provide some value and are subject to some corruption, so accept what is right and reject what's not and when I discover what I considered right earlier is no more so and vice-versa, just take a u-turn - keep going this way!!
Pata Nahi!!
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Thanks Jafar, This means that the sacred place was not built by Abraham and also Solomon was not related to the same religion that considers that building in Makkah as the most sacred place and wrongly associate Abraham (Ibrahim) / Solomon (Sulayman) as part of their religion citing Quran verses as per their view and version of Islam.
Of course it is..
The next question to pursue is actually WHY..
WHY they do that?
Trying to understand the background, the motives, the context and the relation..You are on the right track because you started inquiring the WHY aspect of things..
Who's is actually corrupt? The group who try to form affiliations with past, OR the religion itself. If not both,
Corrupt? or Innovative?
Better understand the WHY part first...should i stop breaking my head about one group/religion vs other and call ALL as corrupt/irrelevant.
You better stop..
Understand the WHY question and you will also stop labelling anyone as 'corrupt'...
Afterwards your view of the universe around you shall become healthier.. because you understand more...If I still insist that I am not an atheist and also no more a religious person, then who am I following / believing. Although, having or not having any sacred time, place, book, people is gradually becoming irrelevant for me, I still feel an urge to search for Rabb.
Follow your conscience, your Rabb speaks through it..
Those who asked shall be given an answer, those who seek shall find..Should I accept that all religious + non-religious sources (including rituals, scriptures, beliefs, concepts, people, etc) would provide some value and are subject to some corruption, so accept what is right and reject what's not and when I discover what I considered right earlier is no more so and vice-versa, just take a u-turn - keep going this way!!
Yes studying human behaviours and culture does provide value..
The way to be familiar with truth is to be familiar with falsehood (it's opposite).When you've encountered so many liars, you can easily recognized an honest man / woman like a gold among the river stones..
Your 'hunch' / 'gut feel' is already trained to do so.. -
Entertainers of doubt....
Investigate properly
Nothing discussed here is remotely 1/100th sufficient as evidence to come to any conclusion about anything
Fear Allah and turn to Him
Seek further understanding from The One Whom upon is the explanation of the Quran through humility, prayer and charity. -
Of course it is..
The next question to pursue is actually WHY..
WHY they do that?
Trying to understand the background, the motives, the context and the relation..You are on the right track because you started inquiring the WHY aspect of things..
Corrupt? or Innovative?
Better understand the WHY part first...You better stop..
Understand the WHY question and you will also stop labelling anyone as 'corrupt'...
Afterwards your view of the universe around you shall become healthier.. because you understand more...Follow your conscience, your Rabb speaks through it..
Those who asked shall be given an answer, those who seek shall find..Yes studying human behaviours and culture does provide value..
The way to be familiar with truth is to be familiar with falsehood (it's opposite).When you've encountered so many liars, you can easily recognized an honest man / woman like a gold among the river stones..
Your 'hunch' / 'gut feel' is already trained to do so..Yes. Why does Rabb ask people to do it? Or does Rabb not ask it but people have said things that are not true?
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Yes. Why does Rabb ask people to do it? Or does Rabb not ask it but people have said things that are not true?
Why people asked people to do it?
People said things which are 'beneficial' for them..
People said things which are 'favorable' for them..The rituals, the gatherings benefits the people around the temple, it gives income to the priest, the merchant, the guide,the travel agent etc.. Which in turn resulted in taxation income to the ruler..
The ruler then authorized a regulation, a book, a dogma to ensure the continuation of the rituals..
The rituals thus, are proven to be beneficial for the society...But in any way, such rituals will have no influence to God's law of "cause and effect"..
Every man's way is right in his own eyes, But YHVH weighs the hearts.
To do righteousness and justice is more acceptable to YHVH than sacrifice.
A haughty look, and a proud heart--the tillage of the wicked.
-- Proverbs 21The rites doesn't matter, how is it perform doesn't matter, where is it perform doesn't matter..
"The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath."
-- Mark 2"As Jesus was going out of the temple, one of His disciples said to Him, ?Teacher, behold what wonderful pile of stones and what wonderful buildings!? And Jesus said to him, ?Do you see these great buildings? Not one stone will be left upon another which will not be torn down.?
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But in any way, such rituals will have no influence to God's law of "cause and effect"..
True, the first person I have seen a statement of that was Isaiah in ancient lore. It is the deeds that primarily matter because those reveal what we have in our hearts.