Could "angel" be a state, and not a creation ?
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Main of faith,
Right after the "your kingdom is not of this world " until the end, I was unable to follow along with your reasoning, and I'd like to if you can refer me to somewhere or just be more explicit. Thanks eatI was quite explicit. Your kingdom is not of this world but your dominion is above matter, although you do control everything including this world. But you do not reside in this world and this was my point, and this is because you will be ethereal, i.e. you will not have a physical body made of matter.
An angel is an expression of God and not a creation in that regard. But of course in a way everything is initiated. What we live through here is a development project, it is a matter of expansion.
Be well
Amenuel -
angels are not possibly light ... they are controllers of affairs that governs the laws of universe by the command of God...
This is correct. It is we who are confined to bodies which are made of "light", or of energy whatever term to use. The source of generation is limitless and therefore the projected energy cannot be destroyed. The Al-Jinn is made of this "energy".
= Jiim-Nun-Nun (root of jinn) = veiled/concealed/covered/hid/protected (e.g. cloth, armour, grave, shield), invisible, become dark/posessed, darkness of night, bereft of reason, mad/insane/unsound in mind/intellect, confusedness.
Become thick/full-grown/blossom, herbage, garden.
Spiritual beings that conceal themselves from the senses (including angels), become weak and abject, greater part of mankind, devil/demon, people who are peerless having no match or equal, a being who is highly potent, sometimes refers to Kings because they are concealed from the common folkThe "Al-Jinn" is literally "the fleshly", outer layer or whatever terms suits you best.
Regarding affairs your statement is almost correct.
you can say that like a government there are different service providers for gov some of them are better than others...
national security is better than army
an army... is better than police
police is better than uni professors
uni professors are better than random public,
random public is better than poor public,,
poor publlic of usa is bettter than poor public in africa..
poor public of africa is better than public of areas where war is going on...a loop of worldy sytem is there...
The "hierarchy" there depends on the strength of the Being.
God system of controling is controlled by some next level creation but they are also serving God... in a position at a level advance ... and kinda immortal...
God is a phenomenon incorporating everyone. It is the core, with everyone contained within like within a singularity, i.e. something that actually does not take any space but yet contains massive amounts of "information". Everyone is contained within this oneness/unity.
we also look in immorality when our species accepted the trust... without thinking the consequnces that its a tough competetion like if you apply for national security 90 students failed in test ...
We are here due to a running test. We have not accepted anything but have been submitted to this as an initial phase of the shaping of our souls, and we are submitted to being perplexed from our origin and have to grow while under a delusion. The test is advanced and could be regarded as difficult, and there are also very few people who are passing through, as progressed subjects. What makes the delusion absolutely great is because we are in an illusion of having an identity with these bodies called Homo sapiens while we actually are of another origin. We are attached to the bodies while our persons are not bound to them necessarily and are of another nature. The spirit of this soul is flawless, perfect, but the delusion is also made to be very corrupting and to consume us. Under this delusion your spirit has to grow and you have to become Being, you need to become an independent Being or otherwise you are only just like a mindless slave good for nothing, wishing of his/her little pathetic worldly paradise which does not exist except in where he/she is right now and is being corrupted by all the failed mindless subjects who have been deceived and lost to the delusion as we speak (write).
And yes, I know, I did not censor that one.
Be well
Amenuel -
I read everyone's opinion,
LastDay3,
you say that Iblees was an angel (creation?state?) that consequently became a Jinn,
therefore losing his (original creation?state?) to becoming a new creation (Jinn, as Jinn is a creation as mentioned by God).So if he wasn't a Jinn, but was an Angel (let's say state) what was his creation then ?
if he was an angel (let's say angel as a creation) And he became a Jinn in both cases he changed creation, according to you.But you've also mentioned this verse and I'm glad you did
"But Satan whispered to them to make apparent to them that which was concealed from them of their private parts.
He said, "Your Lord did not forbid you this tree except that you become angels or become of the immortal." " 720Satan says "become angels".
Although we can't say much about it as he is a deceiver and a liar. But we've got to admit that he uses angels as a state.Salaam/Peace Cerberus,
in my Understanding, first of all, we should absolutely see this clear Fact here.
For example, let's think about this statement, first of all
Teacher John said to the students Stand up, and all of them stood up except Tom, he refused to stand up, ......
the first thing we logically infer above is the Fact that
Tom must be a student among all of those students who were ordered to stand up, in the first place.Because if he was not a student no one would have expected him to stand up, in the first place,
and no one would have blamed him for not standing up thereafter.So, in exact same Way here, in this Verse
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50- And We said to the Angels "Yield to Adam."
So (all of them) yielded (=15/30) except for Iblees/Satan, (because of this) he became of the Jinn (=kana min al-Jinn) therein,
(because) he (thus) disobeyed the Order of his LORD..........
QURAN TESTAMENT 18/50
the first thing we logically and clearly infer above is the Fact that
Iblees/Satan must be an Angel among all of those Angels who were ordered to yield to Adam (=Human), in the first place.
Because if he was not an Angel no One would have expected him to yield to Adam (=Human) therein, in the first place,
and no One would have blamed him for not yielding to Adam (=Human) thereafter!So thereby, we can also clearly infer from the above Verse
there are essentially 3 kinds of Beings, in this respect above, created by our Lord AL-LAH, in the very beginning
- Angels (=they are honorable Servants of AL-LAH who truly loves and serves HIM and they do not disobey or betray HIM.)
=QURAN TESTAMENT 39/75 = 7/206 & 40/7, ......
- Jinns (=they are ardent followers of Iblees/Satan who deeply hates and despises AL-LAH and all of those Jinns
disobey and betray AL-LAH.)
=QURAN TESTAMENT 18/50 = 6/112-113, ......
*But there are also some Jinns who truly repent and return to AL-LAH, these are such good/righteous Jinns here =72/1-4, 11-15
- Humans (=they were honorable Servants of AL-LAH who truly loved and served HIM, but then they were deceived by Iblees/Satan and
disobeyed and betrayed HIM.)
=QURAN TESTAMENT 2/35-38
*So all Humans who truly repent and return to AL-LAH in this World may be among such good/righteous Humans
here and in the Hereafter, forever, inshaAL-LAH =2/38but all Humans who never repent and return to AL-LAH in this World may be among such evil/unrighteous Humans
here and in the Hereafter, forever, in this case =2/39So in this respect, we must absolutely know and unmistakably understand
these clear Facts here,
as strongly emphasized in this previous post here====================
50- And We said to the Angels "Yield to Adam."
So they all yielded except for Iblees, (because of this) he became of the Jinn (=kana min al-Jinn) therein,
(because) he (thus) disobeyed the Order of his LORD.So, will you (still) take him and his progeny (=liar and sinful Jinns such as this here =6/112-113) as allies besides ME,
while they are your enemy?
Miserable for the transgressors is the substitute!QURAN TESTAMENT 18/50
Thereby, we can clearly infer from this Verse above
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Iblees/Satan was indeed an Angel among all of those Angels above who were commanded to yield to Adam (=Human),
in the very beginning. -
But when he disobeyed the Order of our Lord AL-LAH and refused to yield to Adam (=Human) therein,
he consequently became a Jinn therein.
So we can clearly infer that
the ancestor-leader of Jinns (=Iblees/Satan) and all his progeny (=liar and sinful Jinns
such as this here =6/112-113)
are essentially fallen Angels who arrogantly and ignorantly disobeyed the Order of our Lord AL-LAH above.(*If I'm not mistaken, I remember that
Prophet Jesus (Peace be upon Him) calls "Jinns" as the "Angels" of Iblees/Satan therein, for this Reason.)- Because that Iblees/Satan despises and hates our Lord AL-LAH
(*because he himself is a totally sick minded fallen Angel who always wants to be (not a "Servant"
but a direct "Partner," and a "Portion/Share/Piece/Part" of AL-LAH,
to satisfy his hostile, ignorant and arrogant ego therein,
so he always promises to Humans --(basically through his army of such liar and sinful Jinns here =6/112-113)
and thus he tries to deceive them with such lies
from the very beginning of Human history therein= Angels are "daughters" of GOD, according to Iblees/Satan,
that means they are direct "Partners" who are ruling over everything as they themselves
were a "Portion/Share/Piece/Part" of AL-LAH therein,which is utterly refuted and strongly condemned in QURAN TESTAMENT here (43/15-16 = 53/19-23, 26-27).
And in every Century, from the very beginning of Human history --(our ancestors Adam and Eve therein, in the first place),
Iblees/Satan always try to deceive Humans by basically promising themthat they will be Angels and Immortal
and thus they will become direct "Partners," who will rule over everything as they themselves
were a "Portion/Share/Piece/Part" of AL-LAH therein,--which is utterly refuted and strongly condemned in QURAN TESTAMENT here (43/15 = 5/17-18, 72-74)--
when-if they listen to Iblees/Satan's (fundamentally misleading and deceitful) advice here
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20- But the Iblees/Satan whispered to them (Adam and Eve),
to reveal to them what was not apparent to them of their bodies, and he saidYour LORD did not prohibit you from this tree; so (if you eat from it) you will become "Angels," and you will (also) be Immortal.
21- And he swore to them --(in the Name of AL-LAH therein) "Certainly, I am for you a Good-Advisor (=i.e. he probably
introduced himself as a righteous "Angel" who is thus giving Good-Advise to them therein =18/50).22- So by deceit Iblees/Satan (thus) brought about their downfall. ............
QURAN TESTAMENT 7/20-22
Remain in peace/salaam.
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Peace Cerbirus.
You asked,quote
And If you can specify (or refer me to somewhere) what you mean by "souls" as you refered to every creature as soul, I'd appreciate it.
Of course we are "souls" living in this body -As garnment- i.e body and soul. But the real person is the "soul" inside the body described here
He is the One who perfected everything He created, and started the creation of the human from clay. Then He continued his reproduction through a certain lowly liquid/Reproduction.
We have been given this chance to redeem ourselves
We have offered the Amana/ responsibility (freedom of choice) to the heavens and the earth, and the mountains, but they refused to bear it, and were afraid of it. But the human being accepted it; he was transgressing, ignorant.*O you jinns and humans, did you not receive messengers from among you, who narrated to you My revelations, and warned you about the meeting of this day? They will say, "We bear witness against ourselves." They were totally preoccupied with the worldly life, and they will bear witness against themselves that they were disbelievers.
Both us and Jinns are on trial in this life
.GOD bless you.
Peace. -
peace GL
why did not jinn are on 33 72
God bless you
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Peace Imran.
GOD is talking to us ( humans) through "our messenger" in 3372May be similarly GOD has sent a messenger to the Jinns
O you jinns and humans, did you not receive messengers from among you, who narrated to you My revelations, and warned you about the meeting of this day? They will say, "We bear witness against ourselves." They were totally preoccupied with the worldly life, and they will bear witness against themselves that they were disbelievers.GOD bless you.
Peace. -
Peace Imran.
GOD is talking to us ( humans) through "our messenger" in 3372May be similarly GOD has sent a messenger to the Jinns
O you jinns and humans, did you not receive messengers from among you, who narrated to you My revelations, and warned you about the meeting of this day? They will say, "We bear witness against ourselves." They were totally preoccupied with the worldly life, and they will bear witness against themselves that they were disbelievers.GOD bless you.
Peace.actually what i wanted to ask, what do you think... the 33 72 is not the time when jinns were already created..by lord..
offer was just for humanity.
peace
God bless you -
Peace Imran.
If anything, Qoran seems to indicate that Jinns were created before the humans after the classification.
" Wa Al jAnna( Jinn) Khalknahu min kablu( before) min naar..."
My understanding.
GOD bless you.
Peace. -
Peace Imran.
If anything, Qoran seems to indicate that Jinns were created before the humans after the classification.
" Wa Al jAnna( Jinn) Khalknahu min kablu( before) min naar..."
My understanding.
GOD bless you.
Peace.peace be with you
i would indeed research what Q-B-L is (dont forget thats a qoph not a kaph)
here we are boxing ourselves into a linear time line based orientation like it means 'previously' but i would seek a better definition of exactly what is means.
peace be with you