If no Soul pays for other soul`s sins. Why I must pay for what Adam did ?
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Salam,
If I may add my 2 cents worth...
Our parents did not get expelled from "Heaven", they were simply expelled from "the garden" (a place where there is an abundance of food and shelter/warmth) - 20118-119.
Going back to "the garden" is possible if you are able to find the way (like the Children of Israel found when they were led by Moses). The path lays through a mountain pass, which can be entered by crouching/crawling 4154). Stupidly, they decided to go back down to the "lower" life (261).
Like someone whose parents were born in the lush forests of the amazon, but emigrated to the desert of the middle east and gave birth to their children there...that is the example of our parents and how we ended up here.
exactly you get ur two cents peace
thats what actually there but lot of the people cannot grasp the real situation...
in other words life was easy for our parents in that garden but they make it difficult due to disobideince of God, its the result of outcome of choice what they pick...
in this planet lot of places are consider as heavens while other consider as hell... life in africa and life in europe got huge difference...
in one place of planet the abdundance of food and material is on extreme , while on other places people are even suffering to have clean water.. and on some places people are worried about their lives...
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Peace
If no Soul pays for other soul`s sins. Why do I must pay for what Adam and Eve did ? Why do I must be in this petri dish, this Planet Amnesia and planet of suffering. Having this weak fragile body. That gets sick, old and etc...
You are paying for no one's sins, everyone is responsible for their deeds to their equivalent value and face consequences of something. Read later in this post for further answers.
Just because a long time ago a man and a woman sinned ? What does my Soul have anything to do with this ?
Read later in my post.
Who am I ?
You are a "to-be-manager" (or to-be-angel) deluded into thinking you are something/someone else.
Is this a dream ?
It is a test.
Am awake ? Or Im asleep ?
Depends on your present level of consciousness.
It seems like 99%, heck 100% of things in this existence is for distraction. But distracting from what ?
From knowing your true nature. The contradiction on Earth is made to be corrupting.
What is the truth ?
The truth is that you have been submitted to a body which modern man calls Homo sapiens and submitted to be broken off from your Originator and have to grow while under its delusion. Now the matter is about what you shall choose, the bodily or the spiritual.
Im not buying this story of two sinners which is the reason Im undergoing this "TEST". There must be something else...
Yes, there is another reason. You are here as a "seed" of your Originator, with a spirit in the Originator's image and have to cultivate the seed in you. But this is not without an imposed challenge which is the world in which you live and the main challenge is your body which you might believe is you.
Adam's story about the garden is an ancient parable. Everything in the story symbolizes something. The fruits of the tree are all the pleasantries in the world. The snake is the instinct constantly enticing us to indulge. The eating of the fruit and thus discovering the bodies is realizing the body has sexual stimulation. The expelling out of the garden is the rejection of the spiritual and further distancing from your Originator. Nevertheless you are in the bodily for all this time, but the further away you are from the Developer the more deluded you are.
Adam's story is distorted by poor translators.
Adam's name means Persistence, and it could be seen as related to the story. To abstain from the tree and seek to shun the bodily is to be able to persist. Continuous consumption of the fruit leads to spiritual death.
Dal-Waw-Miim (Dal-Alif-Miim) = To continue, endure, persist, remain, persevere, last, stand still, keep alive.
Be well
Amenuel -
No soul pays for other soul's sins in judgement day.
As for the beginning, and what Adam did, did Adam really cause all this to start ? or was all this the plan of God ? pr
The story about the garden is an ancient parable which is also fairly misrepresented through degradation caused by an inadequate linguistic skill available in the world. You might read my post to hansolo.
"Project Adam" was started as an expansion phase of the consciousness of "God". Every subject has the image of the spirit of "God" albeit undeveloped much like a seed, but faces a severe delusion containing a deception that it has an identity with the accompanying body.
Adam's name contains a cryptic message to what everything is about. Adam's () name means "be persistent" in Arabic as well as other root-sharing Semitic languages. See root reference in the post to hansolo.
Be well
Amenuel -
Peace
If no Soul pays for other soul`s sins. Why do I must pay for what Adam and Eve did ?
Why do I must be in this petri dish, this Planet Amnesia and planet of suffering. Having this weak fragile body. That gets sick, old and etc...Just because a long time ago a man and a woman sinned ? What does my Soul have anything to do with this ? Who am I ?
Is this a dream ? Am awake ? Or Im asleep ? It seems like 99%, heck 100% of things in this existence is for distraction. But distracting from what ?
What is the truth ? Im not buying this story of two sinners which is the reason Im undergoing this "TEST". There must be something else...Peace
Salaam/Peace Hansolo,
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134- That is a congregation that has passed away; to them is what they have earned, and to you is what you have earned;
and you will not be asked regarding what they did.38- Every body/soul (=nafs) is held only by what he/she earned.
QURAN TESTAMENT 2/134 & 74/38
So, from these Verses above, we can clearly understand that we are here in this World
not because of that Sin our ancestors (=Adam and Eve) committed in that Garden in the beginning (=2/35),but because actually
each and every one of us is an "Adam" (=it is originally a hebrew name which basically means Man created out of dust (=earthly elements)
and
each and every one of us is an "Eve" (=it is originally a hebrew name which basically means Woman who is a life-giver (=to a baby),because we have already committed the same Sin that our ancestors (=Adam and Eve) committed in that Garden in the beginning (=2/35),
what was that Sin? It was essentially this
Our Lord AL-LAH commanded them not to eat from that "Tree" therein in that Garden (on this Earth), in the beginning,
but then they forgot the Commandment of AL-LAH (=20/115) and ate from that "Tree" therein (=2/35-36).So our Lord AL-LAH commanded unto us here not to follow "Lust", not to commit "Adultery", not to be "Jealous", not to be "Greedy",
not to "Cheat", not to "Steal", not to "Covet", etc.but each and every one of us already forgot the Commandment of our Lord AL-LAH, at some point here, and already committed
one or more of these Sins above.Which (honest and truthful) Human (Man & Woman) among us can deny this Fact?
So we should thus clearly testify against ourselves (=75/14) thateach and every one of us is actually an "Adam"
and
each and every one of us is actually an "Eve"here, and we are here in this World because of our own Sins --due to our such betrayals-- above.
So after this,
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53- (Prophet Joseph said) And yet, I am not trying to absolve my "nafs" (="body/soul"),for, verily, (Human)-"nafs" (="body/soul") does incite (him/her) to evil (=e.g. to lust, adultery, jealousy,
egotism, greed, cheating, gambling, drugs, etc.), except what my LORD has Mercy upon.
(For) certainly, my LORD is Best-Forgiver, Most-Merciful.
QURAN TESTAMENT 12/53
So, when/if we always fight against our "nafs" (="body/soul") (=i.e. against that "evil instincts"
(=e.g. to lust, adultery, jealousy, egotism, greed, cheating, gambling, drugs, etc.)
generated by our "nafs" (="body/soul") above,and thus totally cleanse it by rejecting all those "evil instincts" generated by it,
and by always following all those "good instincts" commanded unto it by our Lord AL-LAH here (=91/7-9),then we may become good/righteous Humans with totally cleansed "nafs" (="body/soul") by the Immense Grace of AL-LAH
unto us. (=91/7-9)If we can become such good/righteous Humans with totally cleansed "nafs" (="body/soul") (=91/7-9)
then our Lord AL-LAH will admit us into HIS Paradise with our perfect Human "nafs" (="body/soul")
that will be created by HIM with exact same DNA make up HE has granted unto each and every one of us here,
even to our very fingertips therein===================
3- Does human think that We will not gather his/her bones (in the Hereafter)?4- Indeed, We are able to perfectly reconstruct his/her fingertips (therein)!
QURAN TESTAMENT 75/3-4
and thus our perfectly reconstructed Human "nafs" (="body/soul") therein
will never get sick, never get older,
no one and nothing will never be able to harm it therein, in no way,by the Immense Grace of AL-LAH unto each and every one of us therein (75/3-4 = 2/3!
Remain in peace/salaam.
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Salam,
Why do you say garden when in the Quran it says Adam was in paradise. For example Surah 235
It says "Janna". Janna is a lush garden (a paradise).
We can see in 1832-42 the example of the man who had a "Janna", but because he wronged himself, God made his "Janna" no longer attractive or green.
Also, I would remind that Adam was chosen to be on "Earth" as a Khalifa (230) - which the Angels objected to. Had Adam been in "Heaven" then it would defeat the entire purpose of choice God made, basically thinking that He put him and his wife in the wrong place, hoping that they would sin so that they could be expelled to "Earth"?!
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Salam,
It says "Janna". Janna is a lush garden (a paradise).
We can see in 1832-42 the example of the man who had a "Janna", but because he wronged himself, God made his "Janna" no longer attractive or green.
Also, I would remind that Adam was chosen to be on "Earth" as a Khalifa (230) - which the Angels objected to. Had Adam been in "Heaven" then it would defeat the entire purpose of choice God made, basically thinking that He put him and his wife in the wrong place, hoping that they would sin so that they could be expelled to "Earth"?!
Khalifa on earth, as Inheriters of earth, sort of "managers". They did "go down" as the verse suggests, but did they keep the title of "khalifa" ?
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Why do you say garden when in the Quran it says Adam was in paradise. For example Surah 235
Jannah in Arabic tends to be translated and understood as garden. Paradise is more like "Heaven" which is symbolized by Al-asema which could be seen like talking of bliss.
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Peace everyone,
Everyone seems to be forgetting that Adam was forgiven before he was sent to Earth so his descent had nothing to do with his actions in the garden. Therefore our being on Earth has nothing to do with what Adam did. It was the Creator's plan all along. The real reason for us being on Earth is something else and if you read the quran it explains the reason (service to God - 5156).
237 Adam then received words from His Lord, so He forgave him; He is the Forgiver, the Merciful.
20121 So they both ate from it, and their bodies became apparent to them, and they began to place leaves on themselves from the paradise. Adam had disobeyed his Lord, and had gone astray.
20122 Then his Lord recalled him, and he forgave him, and gave guidance to him.
20123 He said "Descend from this, all of you, for you are enemies to one another. So, when my guidance comes to you, then, whoever follows my guidance, he will not go astray nor suffer."Peace
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Peace everyone,
Everyone seems to be forgetting that Adam was forgiven before he was sent to Earth so his descent had nothing to do with his actions in the garden. Therefore our being on Earth has nothing to do with what Adam did. It was the Creator's plan all along. The real reason for us being on Earth is something else and if you read the quran it explains the reason (service to God - 5156).
237 adam then received words from his lord, so he forgave him; he is the forgiver, the merciful.
Peace
It is because his scene in the garden is an allegory. The "fruit", the "serpent" etc. It is worth remembering that ironically the most primitive part of the brain is called the reptile brain. The serpent is not an ethereal being called Satan but the innate call from the primitive body we are within with our much more superior spirit.
And we are all an Adam to the design and go through exactly the same test. In some languages (e.g. Farsi/Persian) our race is also called Adam.
And like you wrote, our situation on Earth is part of the plan. It is a test whether we will absorb ourselves utterly in the world and forget our origin or realize where we come from.
Be well
Amenuel -
people usually confused when there is a difficulty in understanding language...
coz if we are in a building on sixth floor and and people at sixth floor make noise and break things , the incharge will say them to desend all of you from there to first floor or desend all of you from that building... dosent make that garden the paradise what is not created yet.. or even if it is created we did not qualify to enter it yet ... according to the law before judgement...
desend all of you from garden mean just you are no more the residents of that specific place in which there were facilities required for us to spend life... logic and reasonings suggest it must be on earth , which is suitable for life i mean this life what we have...
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Salaam,
I like your question very much bravo
Adam was not in paradise.
Please take a look at the words Jannah here.
Now you can see where was Adam.handshake
i just read that topic mmkhan its nice i love to read that ..
God bless you
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Khalifa on earth, as Inheriters of earth, sort of "managers". They did "go down" as the verse suggests,
but did they keep the title of "khalifa" ?Salaam/Peace Cerberus,
"khalifa" plural "khulafaa" essentially means "successor," plural "successors,"
for example, prophet Moses (PbuH) appointed his brother prophet Aaron (PbuH) as a "successor" to him (=akhlufni) therein (=7/142),
so, in a same/similar manner, the people of Hood were made "successors" (=khulafaa) after the people of Noah therein (=7/69),
so, in an exact same/similar manner here
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30- And your LORD said to the Angels I am placing a successor (=khalifa) on the earth. .........133- And your LORD is the Rich, Possessor of Mercy.
If HE wishes, HE can make you go away and thus bring after you as successors (=yastakhlif min badikum) whom HE Pleases,
just as HE established you (=i.e. as Human race, with our ancestor Adam and all those first Human population living with him therein
in that Garden =2/35-3
from the seed of another people (=from those prior Humanoid population therein living on the Earth before our ancestor Adam therein)
(as successor (=khalifa) to them therein, as emphasized in the above Verse).QURAN TESTAMENT 2/30 = 6/133
Thereby, I strongly believe that
we (as Human race, with our ancestors Adam and Eve and those first Human population living with them therein at that time, in that Garden, first of all)
were thus made successors (=khulafaa) ---(not to GOD, first of all, and not to Earth, not to anything else)--
but exclusively and only to those prior Humanoid population therein (Homo Habilis Skillful Humans) who were living on the Earth
before our ancestor Adam and Eve therein).In QURAN TESTAMENT I have never seen someone or something to be made successor (=khalifa) to GOD, at all.
In my Understanding, no one can never be a successor (=khalifa) to GOD.
Because our Lord AL-LAH does not need any successor (=khalifa) to HIM, in nowhere, never, at all.If I'm mistaken in my Understanding above, please, give me a clear example in Quran Testament
of someone or something that has ever been made successor (=khalifa) to GOD,that I may clearly see it, first, and then immediately repent and correct my Understanding,
in this case. (2/286 & 3/135-136)May AL-LAH guide all of us to HIS Straight Path. (=5/16)
Remain in peace/salaam.
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Salaam/Peace to All,
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35- And We said O Adam, reside you and your spouse (Eve) in the Garden, and eat from it bountifully as you both wish,
and do not come near this "Tree," or, you will be of those who have wronged.36- But the Satan/Iblees caused them to slip from it, and he brought them out from what they were in,
and We said "Go down (all of you, and your descendants who will come to this World from you); as some of you are
rivals/competitors/enemies to some other;
and on the Earth you will have residence and provisions until the appointed time.37- Adam then received Words from his LORD, so HE redeemed him; (for) HE is the Best-Redeemer, the Most-Merciful.
QURAN TESTAMENT 2/35-37
In my understanding, the most important thing we should clearly see in the above Verses
is the Fact thatthis Sin committed by our ancestor Adam and Eve above is a Sin that is already committed by each and every Male and Female Human here,
who were / are / will be sent to this Earth (because of this) as a descendant of Adam and Eve above --(the reasons of it
is clearly pointed out in my previous post),and our Lord AL-LAH knows what is there in the hearts & minds of all of HIS Human Servants,
and what they would do in every situation (20/110 = 31/34), from the very beginning,and all of us already can clearly testify against ourselves (=75/14)
that we have indeed committed the same/similar Sin (not once, but --unknowingly or knowingly-- already how many times here) that our ancestors
Adam and Eve had committed above, in the first place. (*please, see it again in my previous post above.)For this Reason, our Lord AL-LAH holds all (Male and Female) Humans here equally responsible for committing such a Sin above,
in the first place,
and perfectly teaches us how to purify our selves/souls like our ancestor Adam and Eve rightfully did above (2/37 = 7/23),
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72- We have offered "the Trust" unto the heavens and the earth, and the mountains, but they refused to bear it,
and were fearful of it.
And Human (collectively and rightfully) accepted it --(even before the foundation of this World, in the Sight of AL-LAH therein,
because Humans were granted by AL-LAH the sufficient understanding and capacity to rightfully accept it therein, in the first place =7/172);(but then by betraying it, as we witness it here in the Story of our ancestors Adam & Eve here, in the first place =2/35-36)--
(all of us) became unjust, ignorant --(therein =2/35-36).73- So that AL-LAH will retribute the hypocrite males and the hypocrite females, and the males who set up partners and the females who set up partners.
And AL-LAH will redeem the Believing Males and the Believing Females --(when/if we rightfully do now what our ancestors Adam and Eve did
and thereby our Lord AL-LAH redeemed them therein above =2/37 = 7/23).For AL-LAH is Best-Forgiver, Most-Merciful.
QURAN TESTAMENT 33/72-73
Remain in peace/salaam.
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Salaam/Peace to All,
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141- HE is the ONE Who established Gardens (=Jannatin), trellised and untrellised, and palm trees, and crops with different tastes,
and olives, and pomegranate (therein), .........25- Give good news to those who believe and lead a righteous life that they will have Gardens (=Jannatin) with flowing streams.
When provided with a provision of fruits therein, they will say"This is (exactly) what was provided for us previously (in this World)."
Because they are given it in exact same/similar (=mutashabihan) manner. .........
QURAN TESTAMENT 6/141 = 2/25
Thereby, I strongly believe that
Gardens (=Jannatin) with all their Fruits therein that all truthful Believers will be admitted instantly
at the time of their normal death here (=16/30-32) will beas physical/real as Gardens (=Jannatin) of this Earth with exactly same/similar tasting Fruits therein.
It is also Scientifically accepted Fact now that such a (type 1) parallel Universe which is as physical/real as our Universe here
may actually exist in the farthest corners of our Universe (where the Light cannot even reach here because of the enormous expansion speed
of our Space-Time, from the very beginning.)So, in conclusion, all Humans who have done Good Deeds here and already passed away
may actually be alive now
with their perfect Human body/soul (=nafs) that is in exact same DNA make up and thus exactly same/similar even to their fingertips
therein (=75/3-4),
which never get older, never get sick, and nothing can never harm them therein (=2/38),and they may thus be enjoying the Ultimate Joy/Happiness of attaining the Approval of our Lord AL-LAH therein, first of all (=10/9-10),
and then, they may thus also be tasting all of those wonderful Fruits and Provisions
in those Gardens (=Jannatin) above (6/141 = 2/25);
may our Lord AL-LAH grant unto all of us to join them therein,
instantly, at the time of our normal death here,
at the very end of our Journey here, in this World=QURAN TESTAMENT 16/30-32 = 3/169-171
Remain in peace/salaam.
