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    Kanada
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    Where does the 72 Virgins thing even come from? It reminds me of Krishna's gopis in Vrindavan. ???

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      Where does the 72 Virgins thing even come from? It reminds me of Krishna's gopis in Vrindavan. ???

      I believe it comes from a weak hadith that doesn't have a sound "chain of narration."

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        Adam_The_Warner
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        I believe it comes from a weak hadith that doesn't have a sound "chain of narration."

        Quran 2513 And when they are cast into it from a tight crevice, in chains, they call out their remorse.

        Quran 4071 When the shackles will be around their necks and in chains they will be dragged off.

        Quran 7312 We have with Us chains and a raging fire.

        Quran 764 We have prepared for the rejecters chains and shackles and a blazing Fire.

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          Adam_The_Warner
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          misconception

          "There is no Gospel anymore..."

          , and some others..

          "There is no Gospel anymore, because of the council in Nicea"..

          So how can Mohammed let the people of the Gospel judge with the Gospel like 1400 +/- years ago according to the history (I am not a fan of history..)?
          547 And let the people of the Gospel judge with what God has sent down in it. And whoever does not judge with what God has sent down, then these are the wicked.

          Oh, and this verse is another good one to think about

          568 Say "O people of the Book, you are not upon anything until you uphold the Torah and the Gospel and what was sent down to you from your Lord." And for many of them, what was sent down to you from your Lord will only increase them in transgression and rejection. So do not feel sorry for the rejecting people.

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            imrankhawaja
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            Where does the 72 Virgins thing even come from? It reminds me of Krishna's gopis in Vrindavan. ???

            thats just explaination of hoor in the mind of secterian people who always have sick thinking going on their mind... lol

            nothing else.. as far i know the way you feel nice by consuming thing in this life will be differ than consuming and enjoying things hereafter...

            example you really dnt need to drink a wine for getting intoxication , and you dnt need to eat a food or fruit for getting taste... it will be some laws of that life which we cannot grasp now but we can slightly understand... all are examples in a methphorical ways

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              Adam_The_Warner
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              thats just explaination of hoor in the mind of secterian people who always have sick thinking going on their mind... lol

              nothing else.. as far i know the way you feel nice by consuming thing in this life will be differ than consuming and enjoying things hereafter...

              example you really dnt need to drink a wine for getting intoxication , and you dnt need to eat a food or fruit for getting taste... it will be some laws of that life which we cannot grasp now but we can slightly understand... all are examples in a methphorical ways

              Gospel - Matthew 2230 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

              Remember Quran 546 And We sent in their footsteps Jesus, son of Mary, authenticating what was present with him of the Torah. And We gave him the Gospel, in it is a guidance and a light, and authenticating what was present with him of the Torah, and a guidance and a lesson for the righteous.

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                Comrox
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                Quran 2513 And when they are cast into it from a tight crevice, in chains, they call out their remorse.

                Quran 4071 When the shackles will be around their necks and in chains they will be dragged off.

                Quran 7312 We have with Us chains and a raging fire.

                Quran 764 We have prepared for the rejecters chains and shackles and a blazing Fire.

                ?

                Your point?

                EDIT Never mind... no need to reply. fftopic

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                  truthseeker11
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                  Peace Comrox, all,

                  I believe it comes from a weak hadith that doesn't have a sound "chain of narration."

                  Professor Google says the following link claims otherwise (sahih hadeeth with good chain)

                  https//wikiislam.net/wiki/Authenticity_of_72_Virgins_Hadith

                  Peace

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                    Bender
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                    ?

                    Your point?

                    EDIT Never mind... no need to reply. fftopic

                    rotfl

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                      imrankhawaja
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                      Gospel - Matthew 2230 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

                      Remember Quran 546 And We sent in their footsteps Jesus, son of Mary, authenticating what was present with him of the Torah. And We gave him the Gospel, in it is a guidance and a light, and authenticating what was present with him of the Torah, and a guidance and a lesson for the righteous.

                      ? hmm

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                        Comrox
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                        Peace,

                        Peace Comrox, all,

                        Professor Google says the following link claims otherwise (sahih hadeeth with good chain)

                        https//wikiislam.net/wiki/Authenticity_of_72_Virgins_Hadith

                        Peace

                        Well then. Professor Quora failed me. Thanks for the sourced information.

                        Shame on you, Professor Quora.

                        rotfl

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                          Timotheus
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                          Peace be upon you.

                          With the Name of Allah, The Gracious, The Merciful

                          not were those who denied from the people of the book, and the branching off ones, to be freed untill there came to them the clarification

                          a messenger of Allah following after scriptures purified

                          in them, books established

                          and not divided, those who were given the Book, except of after what came to them, the clarification

                          and not they were commanded, except for to serve Allah, with sincerity, to Him, the Bond upright, and to affirm the connection, and to contribute the purification, and this is the established Bond

                          Indeed those who denied from the people of the Book and the brancing off ones, in the flame of Jehhanam are dwelling therein, those, they are the Evil initiates

                          Indeed those who have trusted and achieved the correction, those, they are the good initiates

                          their reward is in the presense of their Lord, a hidden garden abode, flowing forth from beneath it, the rivers, dwelling therein after, Allah is pleased with them, and they are pleased with Him, this is for whoever feared his Lord.

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                            Timotheus
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                            'The Conclusion of the matter, everything having been heard is

                            Fear the true God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole obligation of man. For the true God will judge every deed, including every hidden thing, as to whether it is good or bad'

                            The end of Ecclesiastes, from the Bible

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                              Adam_The_Warner
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                              'The Conclusion of the matter, everything having been heard is

                              Fear the true God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole obligation of man. For the true God will judge every deed, including every hidden thing, as to whether it is good or bad'

                              The end of Ecclesiastes, from the Bible

                              Quran 4163 We have inspired you as We had inspired Noah and the prophets after him. And We had inspired Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and Jesus, and Job, and Jonah, and Aaron, and Solomon; and We gave David the Psalms.

                              Here we see that Solomon was inspired by God.

                              Indeed Ecclesiastes is something beautiful, from another world. When you read proverbs it's like WOW so much Wisdom.

                              But Ecclesiastes goes even further and makes you think twice about Wisdom..

                              Ecclesiastes 129 Not only was the Teacher wise, but he also imparted knowledge to the people. He pondered and searched out and set in order many proverbs. 10 The Teacher searched to find just the right words, and what he wrote was upright and true. 11 The words of the wise are like goads, their collected sayings like firmly embedded nails?given by one shepherd. 12 Be warned, my son, of anything in addition to them. Of making many books there is no end, and much study wearies the body.

                              13 Now all has been heard;
                              here is the conclusion of the matter
                              Fear God and keep his commandments,
                              for this is the duty of all mankind.
                              14 For God will bring every deed into judgment,
                              including every hidden thing,
                              whether it is good or evil.

                              May the Peace be with you brother,

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                                Noon_waalqalami
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                                Peace Wakas, everyone,

                                Another misconception is that the qur'aan has 114 chapters whereas it has been shown how chapter 9 is continuation of chapter 8 and that the qur'aan actually has 113 chapters only.

                                Peace, inconclusive early Qur'ans missing bismillah ch 9 pickup again ch 10...

                                http//www.bl.uk/manuscripts/Viewer.aspx?ref=or_2165_f007v#

                                http//oi67.tinypic.com/16bymit.jpg

                                http//www.unesco-ci.org/photos/showphoto.php/photo/3355/title/highlights3a-letter-po/cat/837

                                http//oi67.tinypic.com/2nk5tfm.jpg

                                Also misconception #of verses old manuscripts initials counted as single verse...

                                http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607061.msg394689#msg394689

                                1st flyer added to homepage www.Misconceptions-About-Islam.com

                                Feedback welcome.

                                Peace Wakas,

                                http//www.misconceptions-about-islam.com/women-less-share-inheritance-males.htm

                                The above explanation is a misconception, contradicts, and proven mathematically false.

                                inheritance verses summary...

                                http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604035.msg385440#msg385440

                                http//oi65.tinypic.com/2nu2f7n.jpg

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                                  huruf
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                                  4.11

                                  This does no say ha o the male twice as to he female. Wha i says is tha the par to he one male is like he part of he wo femles. Which is nno at ll he same. Each female hs a par which is nno hafl the par of the male but similar to he par of the oher emale and the par of the male. There is not part undivided or commonn for the two females. Each females inheris her part and if the are two, hen each of te pars of the females are he ame as the part of the male.

                                  o ay ht he male gets double, Arabic hsmeans to state it, and o sate tha the females get he half also here are means to sateit.

                                  Bu what is stated in arabic is ta el unthiyain get each her pat annd that the par of the male is equeal to each of those pars.

                                  o rea te par of the feale as one undivided is invention and makes o sense either gramatically or legally. And it is so much so hat that is what was applied by he muslims up o he Abbasides when i ws politically changed.

                                  Salaam

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                                    imrankhawaja
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                                    Peace, inconclusive early Qur'ans missing bismillah ch 9 pickup again ch 10...

                                    http//www.bl.uk/manuscripts/Viewer.aspx?ref=or_2165_f007v#

                                    brother that link shows there is bismillah in the start of chapter... is that chappter 8 or 9

                                    peace

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                                      Noon_waalqalami
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                                      4.11

                                      This does no say ha o the male twice as to he female. Wha i says is tha the par to he one male is like he part of he wo femles.

                                      Peace huruf, too many typos and what it says mathematically ...

                                      411
                                      instructs you the god in offspring yours to the male (i.e. gender) similitude apportion the two (f)

                                      Applicable only when there are exactly two females...

                                      1/2 two daughters (1/4 each) + 1/2 one son
                                      1/2 two daughters (1/4 each) + 1/2 two sons (1/4 each)
                                      1/2 two daughters (1/4 each) + 1/2 three sons (1/6 each)

                                      4176
                                      and if be they of siblings rijlan/menfolk of wanisan/and womenfolk (3+) so to the male (i.e. gender) similitude apportion the two (f)

                                      Applicable only when there are exactly three+ females...

                                      3/5 three sisters (1/5 each) + 2/5 one brother
                                      3/5 three sisters (1/5 each) + 2/5 two brothers (1/5 each)
                                      3/5 three sisters (1/5 each) + 2/5 three brothers (2/15 each)

                                      2/3 four sisters (1/6 each) + 1/3 one brother
                                      2/3 four sisters (1/6 each) + 1/3 two brothers (1/6 each)
                                      2/3 four sisters (1/6 each) + 1/3 three brothers (1/9 each)

                                      brother that link shows there is bismillah in the start of chapter... is that chappter 8 or 9

                                      Peace imran, link is start of manuscript 740 to ch 8 need to scroll forward to ch 9 already posted.

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                                        Wakas
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                                        peace Nun,

                                        I can change the wording to the following (see changes in bold)

                                        This is only partially true. Shares of inheritance should be stated in a will, and can be done in any way a person chooses however in cases where there is no will or a will leaves leftover wealth/property/etc The Quran has a default system that can be used for such cases . In this default system, a male can receive more than a female sometimes because they have a wider duty of care for maintenance of the family/household .

                                        This would be satisfactory?

                                        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                                          Noon_waalqalami
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                                          peace Nun,

                                          I can change the wording to the following (see changes in bold)

                                          This would be satisfactory?

                                          Peace Wakas, a bit better although reason for more inheritance cannot be tied to responsibility in different verse.

                                          Likewise females often inherit equally e.g. 1/2 daughter and 1/2 son or even inherit/favored more if 2+ sons, etc.

                                          Perhaps point them to the link on inheritance thread and/or distribution chart example...

                                          http//oi64.tinypic.com/2rc38mg.jpg

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