Gabriel - Not an Angel ?
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THE QURAN - Free-Minds.org Translation 298
"Whoever is an enemy to God and His angels, and His messengers, and Gabriel, and Michael, then so God is the enemy to the disbelievers."As we can see in this particular verse. We see mentioning of God, His angels, his messengers, Gabriel and Michael.
So if Gabriel and Michael are not angels who are they ?Because to my research The Quran does not say that Gabriel is an angel.
Please read this http//quransmessage.com/articles/gabriel%20FM3.htm
God knows the Best.
Peace
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The word Melak means to be in control. It is anonymous. Gabriel and Michael are in control. In 298 it appears is unsubstantiated due to the spelling meaning it is hypothetical and refers to those who are to become managers and not already established ones.
Nevertheless the words of Gabriel and Michael are clear names.
I have been considering whether Gabriel and Michael were the only established managers from another cycle of development testing since you more or less do not hear any other mentions in Quran. But in other sources there is also Raphael. It is irrelevant though, but we should know that after the evaluation and sifting there might not be so many people who actually pass the test.
It is lame to hear the sectarian interpretation saying about help from 1000 angels while one single angel can beat anything in the flesh, no need for them to be more. Those are immortal and ethereal and in control of the environment.
Be well
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It is lame to hear the sectarian interpretation saying about help from 1000 angels while one single angel can beat anything in the flesh, no need for them to be more. Those are immortal and ethereal and in control of the environment.
It's 3000 and then 5000. But I don't know how you concluded that they could "beat anything in the flesh".
"Angels" are not from this world (in terms of dimensions) i.e they can't harm anybody's body.
I think they were sent to the believers' inner-selves to assure them and calm them and sent to the disbelievers' inner-selves to put fear in them...because after all it's a test for the believers at that time.How can you view it as some battle where the believers would just lay low and watch the one angel do the rampage for them ?!
Indeed, if you are patient and are aware and they come and attack you, He will supply you with five thousand of the well-trained controllers. God did not give this except as good news to you, and so that your hearts may be assured with it. Victory is only from God, the Noble, the Wise. Thus, He would sever a group of those who reject, or disgrace them; then they will turn back frustrated You will have no say in the matter, for He may pardon them, or punish them for their wickedness. 3125-128
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It's 3000 and then 5000. But I don't know how you concluded that they could "beat anything in the flesh".
"Angels" are not from this world (in terms of dimensions) i.e they can't harm anybody's body.
I think they were sent to the believers' inner-selves to assure them and calm them and sent to the disbelievers' inner-selves to put fear in them...because after all it's a test for the believers at that time.How can you view it as some battle where the believers would just lay low and watch the one angel do the rampage for them ?!
So Angels helped one group of Adam to kill another group of Adam?
Hmm..... ???Didnt Abel refuse to even fight with Cain, and thus he let his brother kill himself, because he was So afraid to take the sin of killing someone?
He decided to die rtighteous and clean, not the other way around with sin. -
Didnt Abel refuse to even fight with Cain, and thus he let his brother kill himself, because he was So afraid to take the sin of killing someone?
He decided to die rtighteous and clean, not the other way around with sin.Could you specify which part of that is relevant and related to the first group of believers and followers of Muhammad that were tested with their life ?
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Could you specify which part of that is relevant and related to the first group of believers and followers of Muhammad that were tested with their life ?
So do you really believe that The Most Merciful and Loving Creator. Would test the worth of his creation by ordering them to kill the same creation he shaped himself in wombs of their mothers?
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So do you really believe that The Most Merciful and Loving Creator. Would test the worth of his creation by ordering them to kill the same creation he shaped himself in wombs of their mothers?
God (as in writting in the Quran) ordered people not to transgress and not to attack, and God Himself also ordered them not to back off when they are being attacked or invaded and taking out of their homes.
You seem willing to discuss God's intentions, but I'd recommend reading a little bit the Quran first.
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I just know that that God is the most merciful and Loving.
That's a fact but is that all ?
The very same God will soon bring destruction upon this earth too, as he destroyed people before.
He also ordered to sacrifice those cute cattles and eat from them..not very sweet right ?So how much do you know your God ?
And if the angels inspired fear into the opposing army. Then it means that they interfered with those humans free-will. In other words they controlled their actions.
nope
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That's a fact but is that all ?
The very same God will soon bring destruction upon this earth too, as he destroyed people before.
He also ordered to sacrifice those cute cattles and eat from them..not very sweet right ?So how much do you know your God ?
nope
Well in other words it is called Mind Controll.
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Cerberus,
If you are in control of the world then obviously you can harm a human in a body. If they were not in control it would be inconsistent that they are called maleikat. They will not interfere though much and things are not about world domination. I spoke about the lame nature of the 3000 or whatever angels in the sectarian interpretation who join combat and there is a primitive thought there already since one single angel could wipe out an army without the people able to do anything. My statement was in response to that claim about the coming of angels to fight. One angel can be omnipresent with an army of people too to make them relaxed as they can control matter.
Of course the angels will aid if it is necessary for the cause. They can be a part of a sign too.
Angels are my best friends even though they must let me pass the test of this world on my own. For the purpose of the prophecy of Isaiah they are highly involved.
Be well
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So Angels helped one group of Adam to kill another group of Adam?
Hmm..... ???Didnt Abel refuse to even fight with Cain, and thus he let his brother kill himself, because he was So afraid to take the sin of killing someone?
He decided to die rtighteous and clean, not the other way around with sin.The angels will never help an instinctive aggressor.
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Could you specify which part of that is relevant and related to the first group of believers and followers of Muhammad that were tested with their life ?
Killing is only as self-defense and then it is the last resort. There would never be a specific order to kill someone. The ancient Ten Commandments say that you should not seek to defeat anyone and God would not contradict his own law for some test. If you are required to kill someone due to their delusion then this is a necessary evil and you should preferably pity the deed.
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No
I just know that that God is the most merciful and Loving.
And if the angels inspired fear into the opposing army. Then it means that they interfered with those humans free-will. In other words they controlled their actions.
God knows Best
Loving is a worldly term, but of course God is interested in seeing people pass the test of this world or there would never have been any signs whatsoever. The word for love is a linguistic translation exaggeration and the word is supposed to mean care. Such as in "love your neighbor as yourself" actually means to care for your neighbor as yourself. We must always remove that emotional touch when we talk about God's being.
To instill fear is to seek to defeat and is against the divine law, but sometimes a necessary evil is required. The law is not to be applied without added contemplation
Be well
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Peace hansolo,
Malaika does not mean "angels" but "controllers" as used in the quran. Controllers can include angels as well as some of the jinn.
The usage of the word "and" does not necessarily exclude the following word from a previously mentioned category. It depends on the context.
348 And He teaches him the book and the wisdom and the Torah and the Injeel.
Are the Torah and the Injeel not included in "the book and the wisdom"? Was he taught 4 books?
253 And we gave Moses the book and the criterion, perhaps you would be guided.
Was Moses given 2 books, "the book and the criterion"?
Gabriel is the name of one of the controllers. It seems he is one of the archangels who was made a controller by the infinite Creator. He is a positive 6th density/dimension entity who assisted in the transmission of a positive message of divine origin to Muhammad.
297 Say "Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel, then know that he has sent it down into your heart with the permission of God, affirming what is with him, and a guide and good news for the believers."
Following was channeled by Q'uo, a group of positive higher dimensional entities (a collection of positive 4th, 5th and 6th density/dimension entities in service to the infinite Creator)
P Yes. In the book itself it says Mohammed was inspired and that the message came through Gabriel, that the work itself is the word of God Itself and was absolute and had no flaw. Could you tell me the density of Gabriel and the identity of Gabriel? And what do they mean really when they say this is the word of God and is absolute?
I am Q?uo, and am aware of your query, my sister. We will attempt to respond. The entity, Gabriel, was one of a number of entities that assisted in this transmission, being the focus of the effort, was one which worked with the entity known as Mohammed as this entity had dedicated its life purpose previous to the incarnation to working with those of its own kind, shall we say. Thus, the effort was put forth by those of the density of love and light in balance, that being six, working with those of the same vibratory level who had taken incarnation for the purpose of such a mission.
Is there a further query, my sister?
P When you say those of the same vibratory level do you mean then that Mohammed was a sixth-density entity who incarnated as a third-density entity?
I am Q?uo, and this is correct, my sister.
Some other controllers are Michael, Raphael and Ariel (Uriel). When you meditate, Gabriel is usually seen wearing a blue robe, standing in water, which is running and fresh, and offering up a holy cup for the thirsty.
The four archangels are Raphael, Gabriel, Michael
and Ariel. If you wish to use the same technique as
this instrument, you would see the one known as
Raphael dressed in raiment so white that it glistened
yellow and crimson. It is a silent witness, not a jovial
personality. Then, behind the self, one asks for the
presence of Gabriel, that great nurturer, who is
normally visualized wearing a blue robe, standing in
water, which is running and fresh, and offering up a
holy cup to the thirsty. To the right there is Michael,
the only of the archangels which bears what
you would call a weapon. It is the archetypal dragon
slayer, it is the protector. It is always alert, and as
one becomes adept at these visualizations one may
see from the expression on these entities? faces what
the atmosphere is truly like, not seen or felt from the
outside, but from the inside, for Michael, more than
any of the others, changes posture, changes the angle
of its sword, changes its degree of alertness. Lastly,
moving from the crimson robes of Michael, we ask
that our left side be guarded by the archangel Ariel,
which is the personification of Earth cycles. As it
moves its multicolored cloak, a wind blows, and
leaves, fallen from the trees and dry, rustle across its
path. It is a mystery-clad entity, just as death and
transformation are unknown until after the fact.Laitos is a positive 4th density/dimension entity who channeled the above information to humans.
Peace
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Killing is only as self-defense and then it is the last resort. There would never be a specific order to kill someone. The ancient Ten Commandments say that you should not seek to defeat anyone and God would not contradict his own law for some test. If you are required to kill someone due to their delusion then this is a necessary evil and you should preferably pity the deed.
But there is no question on that. Killing Fighting according to the Quran is only permitted when it's actually a Fighting back. For justice, for peace, for self-defense. Not only permitted but obligatory (if my memory is good).
Fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not transgress, God does not like the aggressors. 2190
Now some people take the "cause of God" as "bringing people into Islam", while its clearly a fighting for dignity and justice and so on.
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Following was channeled by Q'uo, a group of positive higher dimensional entities (a collection of positive 4th, 5th and 6th density/dimension entities in service to the infinite Creator)
Quote from Q'uo
P Yes. In the book itself it says Mohammed was inspired and that the message came through Gabriel, that the work itself is the word of God Itself and was absolute and had no flaw. Could you tell me the density of Gabriel and the identity of Gabriel? And what do they mean really when they say this is the word of God and is absolute?I am Q?uo, and am aware of your query, my sister. We will attempt to respond. The entity, Gabriel, was one of a number of entities that assisted in this transmission, being the focus of the effort, was one which worked with the entity known as Mohammed as this entity had dedicated its life purpose previous to the incarnation to working with those of its own kind, shall we say. Thus, the effort was put forth by those of the density of love and light in balance, that being six, working with those of the same vibratory level who had taken incarnation for the purpose of such a mission.
Is there a further query, my sister?
P When you say those of the same vibratory level do you mean then that Mohammed was a sixth-density entity who incarnated as a third-density entity?
I am Q?uo, and this is correct, my sister.
This is taking to a whole new level
Malaika does not mean "angels" but "controllers" as used in the quran. Controllers can include angels as well as some of the jinn.
Doesn't the fact that "angels" mean controllers prove that they must have no time to chit chat with some people playing with candles around a table ? Doesn't "speaking" to Angels or whatever entity that is supposed to be kills the concept of "believing in the Unseen " ? Enlighten me por favor.
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The word angel comes from the same root as Enjeel. This word means to disclose or manifest by linguistic sources and I compare it with an elaboration. Jesus' message was Enjeel because Jesus elaborated on the divine law giving light to it. One could also thus regard the word angel to mean messenger per etymological definition in lexicons.
If there comes an angel it is hence to deliver a message, basically. This might seem conflicting with rasuul, but that word does not literally mean messenger, and could be seen like a model to follow through this person's gestures. A person who delivered messages in the past was called rasuul because he replicated the sender's message to the receiver by imitation. A God's rasuul does the same from God, kind of an instructor and there are well-documented etymological sources for this argument if you doubt me, look in Lane's lexicon if you cannot read Arabic. So we could say the rasuul is an object of imitation. And this is through his good example and ways of being.
Angel does have little relationship with the Arabic word Maleikat which means to be in control from same word that you use to say King, i.e. Melak, and this individual is in management of affairs thus. A Maleikat is hence in the power of making decisions which is however inconsistent with the doctrine of Islam, but through logic by etymology you can also here expose the inconsistency with the sect Islam's doctrine. A Maleikat can command to send forth which is a simple definition of Me-La-Ka.
Be well
Amenuel -
The word angel comes from the same root as Enjeel. This word means to disclose or manifest by linguistic sources and I compare it with an elaboration. Jesus' message was Enjeel because Jesus elaborated on the divine law giving light to it. One could also thus regard the word angel to mean messenger per etymological definition in lexicons.
If there comes an angel it is hence to deliver a message, basically. This might seem conflicting with rasuul, but that word does not literally mean messenger, and could be seen like a model to follow through this person's gestures. A person who delivered messages in the past was called rasuul because he replicated the sender's message to the receiver by imitation. A God's rasuul does the same from God, kind of an instructor and there are well-documented etymological sources for this argument if you doubt me, look in Lane's lexicon if you cannot read Arabic. So we could say the rasuul is an object of imitation. And this is through his good example and ways of being.
Angel does have little relationship with the Arabic word Maleikat which means to be in control from same word that you use to say King, i.e. Melak, and this individual is in management of affairs thus. A Maleikat is hence in the power of making decisions which is however inconsistent with the doctrine of Islam, but through logic by etymology you can also here expose the inconsistency with the sect Islam's doctrine. A Maleikat can command to send forth which is a simple definition of Me-La-Ka.
Be well
AmenuelI see now.
That's why you did say that Islam could be considered as "Polytheist" if we use the concept of angels you provided.
You're basically saying that angels are "smaller gods" that are connected to Allah the "Main God". Thus, Giving free will to angels to provide anyone (anyone who reached their level or whatever) with a prophecy. Thus making anyone able to become a "Prophet" / "Insightful" one.
Now this does contradict differ from the "classic" Quran interpretation of angels and the Message. But in a slightly manner.
Since the general (most accepted) view is that angels are merely Servants of God (the one God, nothing besides him) and that they do what they have been told to do and that Prophet Muhammad for example was chosen by God (for some reason) and did not make himself "Insightful" through whatever ways.It is the result of God's will therefore sending a "Messenger" 'Angel' carrying the Message that the human recipient (the prophet) will subsequently carry to become the "Messenger" as well. It is also a duty not a privilege given as a reward to anyone.