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    imrankhawaja
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    We are not talking about the knowledge of people about sciences.
    We are just reading a statement in a book introduced 1400 years back.

    yeh thats what i am saying , this book is a master piece in every aspect and niether of it claims nor statement proven false yet, some are still under observation due to the lack of understanding and limited resources. my logic say they are also correct.

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      imrankhawaja
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      That is a lie

      what is lie hp_tech nasa or black holes. i m afraid i did not understand what you are on about.

      peace

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        Mazhar
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        yeh thats what i am saying , this book is a master piece in every aspect and niether of it claims nor statement proven false yet, some are still under observation due to the lack of understanding and limited resources. my logic say they are also correct.

        Yes that is true/

        http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/041.%20Fusselat/41.53PQ.gif
        http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/041.%20Fusselat/41.53PR.gif

        We will henceforth keep visually exposing Our tangible-physical realities prevalent in the Universe-horizons and in their own bodies to the eyes of those who do not accept the Qur'aan.

        The purpose of this visual manifestation is that it might become self manifest for them that Qur'aan is Infallible Doctrine-Discourse of Reality-Profitability and substance of permanence.

        Grand Qur'aan informed that Allah the Exalted will keep bringing to human visual access the knowledge about universe and human body, whereby the fact that Grand Qur'aan is Infallible Discourse of Reality-Profitability and substance of permanence might become self manifest to the people who keep denying it. Why a first time observation of hitherto unseen thing-phenomenon manifests that the Qur'aan is a statement of proven fact? This is possible only if the same thing finds verbal mirroring of it in the Qur?aan. Verbal specification and visual observation are two aspects of identification of a tangible fact of real existence, as denoted by Arabic word http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.039/1.Aayatena%20Alif%20Ya%20Ya/7.gif anything that mirrors and conveys information; an information mirroring transmitter; a verbal passage of Qur'aan communicating information.

        The Infallible Doctrine-Discourse of Reality-Profitability and substance of permanence

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          imrankhawaja
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          thanx for the link though, i will gona get on it inshAllah its sounds interesting ,

          God bless you

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            Aladin_from_Azra_tribe
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            What we should know about NASA and other shaytans (and fasiqoon) is told in 6705. The key word is "rujoom", which is plural of "rajm".
            Rujoom is "guessings", and it's "the knowledge" of NASA, Hollywood, Walt Disney and others about "masabih".
            Qur'an is clear, we just need to read it and to think about it. Please, don't look for "NASA's claims" in the Qur'an, for your good.
            Qur'an doesn't contain anything of their science. Qur'an is haqq, their science is sihr.

            Allah's bless and salam.

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              HP_TECH
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              What we should know about NASA and other shaytans (and fasiqoon) is told in 6705. The key word is "rujoom", which is plural of "rajm".
              Rujoom is "guessings", and it's "the knowledge" of NASA, Hollywood, Walt Disney and others about "masabih".
              Qur'an is clear, we just need to read it and to think about it. Please, don't look for "NASA's claims" in the Qur'an, for your good.
              Qur'an doesn't contain anything of their science. Qur'an is haqq, their science is sihr.

              Allah's bless and salam.

              bravo bravo bravo

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                Mazhar
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                What we should know about NASA and other shaytans (and fasiqoon) is told in 6705. The key word is "rujoom", which is plural of "rajm".
                Rujoom is "guessings", and it's "the knowledge" of NASA, Hollywood, Walt Disney and others about "masabih".
                Qur'an is clear, we just need to read it and to think about it. Please, don't look for "NASA's claims" in the Qur'an, for your good.
                Qur'an doesn't contain anything of their science. Qur'an is haqq, their science is sihr.

                Allah's bless and salam.

                Sorry, it is because proper knowledge either about statements in Qur'aan or knowledge shared by NASA like institutes is yet beyond your reach.

                Grand Qur'aan directs the believers to go outside and learn the worldly knowledge to remain prepared.

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                  Sorry, it is because proper knowledge either about statements in Qur'aan or knowledge shared by NASA like institutes is yet beyond your reach.

                  Grand Qur'aan directs the believers to go outside and learn the worldly knowledge to remain prepared.

                  In the contrary you and the lot have been deceived O Mazhar.
                  Heed my words and research the truth earnestly.
                  Begin with NASA itself. Go and research it's meaning in Hebrew if you are a truth seeker and tell me what you find.

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                    Mazhar
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                    In the contrary you and the lot have been deceived O Mazhar.
                    Heed my words and research the truth earnestly.
                    Begin with NASA itself. Go and research it's meaning in Hebrew if you are a truth seeker and tell me what you find.

                    I have simply stated the meanings of words of Ayahs; Arabic words are descriptive. And their description matches what scientists including of NASA say about a particular star which is mentioned in Ayah.

                    First please run through the Article.

                    The corporeal Journey far beyond the ascensions of Earthly Universe

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                      Aladin_from_Azra_tribe
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                      You can believe whatever you want, 'iman is free to everybody.
                      I know that we have to check all the informations from fasiqoon and I know that masabih are rujoom for shaytans. These verses are very clear, but anybody can follow theories, assumptions, opinions, if they like.

                      I loved S/F once, but as it was in some other life... please, there's no need to use offensive language, I understand nice words also.

                      Allah's bless and salam.

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                        Mazhar
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                        and I know that masabih are rujoom for shaytans

                        What masabih have to do with the subject of thread?

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                          Aladin_from_Azra_tribe
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                          Masabih (besides kawakib, clouds, etc.) is all we can see in the as-sama' ad-dunya. Anybody who's talking about masabih has knowledge about it from Allah swt (with Sultan) or is shaytan and is talking rujoom, or is talking what (s)he heard from shaytan's rujoom.

                          You quoted NASA and "found" their story as "star", which is misbah... So, either you and/or NASA have some 'ilm from Allah swt about masabih or it's shaytan's rujoom. If you have 'ilm then you probably were beyond the border of the Earth and the Heavens, so you should have Sultan. Maybe you were on the Moon, or NASA was?

                          Don't believe in CGI, they're all just Walt Disney's cartoons. Trust no one except Allah swt and those He informed us about.
                          I don't see you had some bad intentions, I just warned you about NASA and Co. You can believe what your heart likes.

                          Allah's bless and salam.

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                            hansolo
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                            So al these images of Earth and stars and galaxies are fake ?
                            So all these rockets that go beyond Earth atmosphere is also fake?

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                              Aladin_from_Azra_tribe
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                              So al these images of Earth and stars and galaxies are fake ?
                              So all these rockets that go beyond Earth atmosphere is also fake?

                              If you look in what you're talking about and you think about it, you should get your answers.
                              There're 2 ways for getting the knowledge 1) is when Allah swt is giving the knowledge to ones He chosen, 2) starts with thinking, then getting the knowledge as result, then, after accepting it, believing in it. In any case, all is with His 'izn. We're probably not chosen ones, so it's better for us to think, rather then accepting any information w/o proves, especially informations from fasiqoon and/or shaytans of men and jinn.

                              If you think that this image is not "valid NASA" then chose whichever you think is ok and think about it...
                              https//ronmamita.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/2015-how-bigisthe-earth_nasa.png?w=532&h=411

                              Have you seen any rocket going beyond Earth's athmosphere? Have you really seen? Or is ok with you to believe fasiqoon w/o checking their (dis)info?

                              Allah's bless and salam.

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                                Mazhar
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                                Masabih (besides kawakib, clouds, etc.) is all we can see in the as-sama' ad-dunya. Anybody who's talking about masabih has knowledge about it from Allah swt (with Sultan) or is shaytan and is talking rujoom, or is talking what (s)he heard from shaytan's rujoom.

                                You quoted NASA and "found" their story as "star", which is misbah... So, either you and/or NASA have some 'ilm from Allah swt about masabih or it's shaytan's rujoom. If you have 'ilm then you probably were beyond the border of the Earth and the Heavens, so you should have Sultan. Maybe you were on the Moon, or NASA was?

                                Don't believe in CGI, they're all just Walt Disney's cartoons. Trust no one except Allah swt and those He informed us about.
                                I don't see you had some bad intentions, I just warned you about NASA and Co. You can believe what your heart likes.

                                Allah's bless and salam.

                                Sorry gentleman,

                                Try learning about celestial bodies. Masabih are comets, not stars.

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                                  Aladin_from_Azra_tribe
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                                  Sorry gentleman,

                                  Try learning about celestial bodies. Masabih are comets, not stars.

                                  Even if it's truth, but it's not, NASA is talking about comets also. I, as your brother, recommend you to read anything from any of Muslims astronomers prior to 13th century ad, or to find any of astronomers amongs Christians or Jews who was proud to be a believer and wasn't astrologer. You can enjoy real science reading them, and you can also think about Allah's swt ayats with relation with their knowledge.

                                  Allah's bless and salam.

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                                    Mazhar
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                                    Even if it's truth, but it's not, NASA is talking about comets also. I, as your brother, recommend you to read anything from any of Muslims astronomers prior to 13th century ad, or to find any of astronomers amongs Christians or Jews who was proud to be a believer and wasn't astrologer. You can enjoy real science reading them, and you can also think about Allah's swt ayats with relation with their knowledge.

                                    Allah's bless and salam.

                                    You are not paying attention. NASA got stuck in your mind. I am only explaining the words of Qur'aan. Majority of translators render Masabih as stars while there is specific root for stars distinct from it. Similarly Kokab are planets.

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                                      hansolo
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                                      So...wait a sec. Earth is Flat? And we cannot go anywhere beyond this Earth ?

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                                        Aladin_from_Azra_tribe
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                                        You are not paying attention. NASA got stuck in your mind. I am only explaining the words of Qur'aan. Majority of translators render Masabih as stars while there is specific root for stars distinct from it. Similarly Kokab are planets.

                                        No, my dear brother, NASA is in your mind. You're finding NASA in "hawa", which is emptiness and you're telling meanings which are not from Kitab. Yes, masabih are not stars, stars are nujoom, but masabih are not comets either. Kokab, you probably mean Kawakib (kawkab is singular), which cannot be planets, since planets don't exist. What you know as planet is najm also.

                                        hansolo, you're asking yourself? Consult the Qur'an, it's explanation for all things... but, sometimes we can't find explanation... it's not upto Kitab.

                                        Allah's bless and salam.

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                                          Mazhar
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                                          No, my dear brother, NASA is in your mind. You're finding NASA in "hawa", which is emptiness and you're telling meanings which are not from Kitab. Yes, masabih are not stars, stars are nujoom, but masabih are not comets either. Kokab, you probably mean Kawakib (kawkab is singular), which cannot be planets, since planets don't exist. What you know as planet is najm also.

                                          hansolo, you're asking yourself? Consult the Qur'an, it's explanation for all things... but, sometimes we can't find explanation... it's not upto Kitab.

                                          Allah's bless and salam.

                                          You also need to consult lexicons. And also note that this verbal sentence is circumstantial adverb and its subject pronoun refers back to the certain star.

                                          You seem to have not read this

                                          Learned Ibne Faris said about its Root " ";

                                          That it leads to the perception of something getting in state of emptiness and dropping, or falling. Stars are a subject of interest and understanding of organizations like NASA. We find in the Encyclopedias that the nearest Star Proxima Centauri is more than 30 trillion km (20 trillion mi) from Earth. Further, we know that while light from the Sun takes only about eight minutes to reach Earth the farthest stars are so distant that their light takes billions of years to reach on Earth.

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