Hello all, this is my new home !
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It's not the main point, like I said, even a good MD will gladly let me choose another MD if I don't believe in his capability or merely because I decided to do so.. He will never curse me or condemned me to hell or sue me... because believing or not believing in something is my basic human rights.
brother i asked something else you took it to hell or heaven...
i make it simple , forget about the results after surgery... if you died or get alive by successful or unsuccessful operation its your own choice of selecting wrong doctor...
my question started from doctor not from patient...
i asked are you rejecting the message of quran ? or you are suggesting there should be no need of prophet?
or there is no need of book?and i asked more things like for becoming a doctor,, why its important that he get testified from recognising bodies..?
why i need to attest my degrees for getting job?
what make me qualified as a degree holder? (marksheet, degree)
why i need a universty for degree?what i do with my degree is next step of debate either its imp or not for getting job, money..
same if you claim God does not require to send messengers and books , you need to provide something logical in your claims ..
He doesn't need any prophets / messenger to do so.. or to put it in another way, everyone or everything can be a prophet / messenger for His message.
so its you who is more knowledgeable than God to suggest what God should need to do... for sending hsi message brilliant bravo
about this of your wordings look what is written in quran...
prophet did not say anybody to testify or glorify him for redemption or reward... the message is pretty clear.. it we who consider who was he... and the discussion split to the sects agendas..
Say, "I am but a human being like you, being inspired that your god is One god. So whoever looks forward to meeting his Lord, then let him do good works and not set up any partner in the service of his Lord."
Say "I am no different from the other messengers, nor do I know what will happen to me or to you. I only follow what is inspired to me. I am no more than a clear warner"
And they say "If only a sign was sent down to him from His Lord." Say "Indeed, the unseen is for God, so wait, and I will wait with you."
The Day God will gather the messengers and He will say "What was the response you received?"; they said "We have no knowledge, You are the Knower of all the unseen."
his duty was to convey the message... thats it...
or if you believe God willl send signs to every body personally here is another verse...
7452 Does each one of them want to receive the scripture personally?
before taking the car into fourth gear i started a discussion from first starting gear... when you answer your logics then we will also proceed to next level of discussion...
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Were you there?
rotfl no he get revelation inspired to him in dreams , he is also in line with insightful person... when somebody asked him about muhammad he give a reply like this ...
One was an impostor, that is what I know, whether he lived for sure or was a myth I do not know. However I received information that there is a Muhammad, but I do not know when he lived.
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Peace brother,
Very well said I agree totally handshake
May Allah reward you with the best prpeace brother mmkhan, i was not about to quote you but i feel in this way we all learn from eachother .. lot of things..
i think what i understand from your ideas... i may be wrong , but apparently you are not sure about ( the reciver of scripture)
but you accept scripture , your questions are regarding messenger.. not the message itself
but on the other hand mr jaffar not only denied the messenger but message as well...
i would like if you both discuss and resolve the issue first , i mean first part of the claim..
you only agree with him if he also accept scripture as a words of God... so here what i see is a clear confusion,
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Were you there?
It is obvious without being there. Jesus was quoted while saying words of Aramaic and the Greek translators were kind enough not to translate certain words he uttered, so it is safe to say the man spoke Syriac Aramaic. Someone likely had written his utterances down too in their original wordings too. Another point is that the translation itself includes errors in translation following typical mistakes one can make in translating a Semitic language into another family of languages.
Parts of the Biblical Gospels are mistranslated and it makes for certain problems. One is that he is claimed to have said "I am the way", but he was saying back then that "the way is through the own being (the I AM)". Most references allegedly to himself is in actually to each person's self. He wanted to say that everything is about finding yourself in order to find your origin, so looking for the divine is done within yourself for there is where you will find "God".
Persians say Khoda about "God" still to this day and the word means the self. If you would like to say "myself" you say "khodam". About it you can ask my wife who is from Iran or someone who research on etymology back in Iran, even if he has to be silent in fear of what the authorities would do if he says "God is in the self". That is blasphemous in Islam yet the origin of the remnant teaching.
Similar to the Persians in ancient Semitic linguistic use "God" was referred to as allah because the word means "the who like". is simply "The Who" from the third person suffix used, but people made it into something else despite the simple language. Allah is very similar to the Persian word that way. It is from when Moses learned that "God" is "Who Is", i.e. he was told "I am who I am". From that time the unity of being has been called Alehoim or Allahem with the revamped grammar of Arabic. And it is about having "God" with/in you and it being shown by your way of being.
But that you have probably seen me write before but rejected it.
Be well
Amenuel -
It is obvious without being there. Jesus was quoted while saying words of Aramaic and the Greek translators were kind enough not to translate certain words he uttered, so it is safe to say the man spoke Syriac Aramaic.
So if I understand you correctly you saw some translations with Aramaic words in it and you decided that Jesus spoke Aramaic and that the translators were Greeks and that they misunderstood him?
And these conclusions are obvious to you?One is that he is claimed to have said "I am the way", but he was saying back then that "the way is through the own being (the I AM)". Most references allegedly to himself is in actually to each person's self. He wanted to say that everything is about finding yourself in order to find your origin, so looking for the divine is done within yourself for there is where you will find "God".
RED How do you know this? Were you Jesus in your previous life?
Similar to the Persians in ancient Semitic linguistic use "God" was referred to as allah because the word means "the who like". is simply "The Who" from the third person suffix used, but people made it into something else despite the simple language.
RED Its better to say my definition of Allah is "the who like", because it's ONLY your definition.
Allah is very similar to the Persian word that way. It is from when Moses learned that "God" is "Who Is", i.e. he was told "I am who I am". From that time the unity of being has been called Alehoim or Allahem with the revamped grammar of Arabic. And it is about having "God" with/in you and it being shown by your way of being.
But that you have probably seen me write before but rejected it.
Be well
AmenuelRED Of course, because in my opinion your whole theory does simply make no sense.
Besides that you just use old lexicons and old scriptures. Very similar to those who use hadiths to make their point.
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I don't mind if you guys go off-topic on my topic. But this discussion is kinda too long to read.
Can anyone tell me in short what this discussion is about ?
haha every discussion go on that way... you will slowly slowly get used to it...
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peace brother mmkhan, i was not about to quote you but i feel in this way we all learn from eachother .. lot of things..
i think what i understand from your ideas... i may be wrong , but apparently you are not sure about ( the reciver of scripture)
but you accept scripture , your questions are regarding messenger.. not the message itself
but on the other hand mr jaffar not only denied the messenger but message as well...
i would like if you both discuss and resolve the issue first , i mean first part of the claim..
you only agree with him if he also accept scripture as a words of God... so here what i see is a clear confusion,Peace brother Imran,
It's not like that bro.
I agree and accept what I feel good and right without looking at who said that even though if he/she is a Hindu, Christian, or belongs to any religion.And I am sorry to say that I disagree with the red highlighted part above. Hopefully Jafar will clarify this himself.
May Allah bless you bro pr
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Peace brother Imran,
It's not like that bro.
I agree and accept what I feel good and right without looking at who said that even though if he/she is a Hindu, Christian, or belongs to any religion.same here.. thats what logic says us to do...
And I am sorry to say that I disagree with the red highlighted part above. Hopefully Jafar will clarify this himself.
May Allah bless you bro pr
mmKhanactually i m also unaware about his feelings , but i feel in that way... may b i m wrong, he(mr jaffar) only know what inside his heart...
God bless you too bro..
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You're not sorry.
yay
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I thought about Jafar's response and this is what it looks like in real life.
Result under savage_carrot username
https//2.bp.blogspot.com/-fIlJZbRGiOs/V-xiowAEJKI/AAAAAAAAAXE/KMrfFhXywNYMG4nMygXsM_oRKrqwF14twCLcB/s1600/savage_carrot.pngHmm, who is she to lock the thread?
Is she a hacker?
She must answer who she is. I am too busy to do research to figure out her identity.
How to get the thread unlocked? Can Layth do it? But again, who is he? He says the same under his username. -
@ reel read reply 37 of the same thread and then see the forum rules , specially rule number 3 then may be you get to know what she did was a good decision...
May God bless her as i see this world still got some truthful people specially our admins who are doing their duties with honesty ...who decide things by justice and reasons...
and if you have some issues with admins i think its better to talk with them in person or PM...
Peace
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@ reel read reply 37 of the same thread and then see the forum rules , specially rule number 3 then may be you get to know what she did was a good decision...
May God bless her as i see this world still got some truthful people specially our admins who are doing their duties with honesty ...who decide things by justice and reasons...
and if you have some issues with admins i think its better to talk with them in person or PM...
Peace
My post wasn't about the thread, but identity of the person when it is not given.
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My post wasn't about the thread, but identity of the person when it is not given.
what identity , it seems somebody changed the admin to , guess my role i wont tell you about my qualification police
or i did not still understand what you are on about , help me making it understand ..
peace
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what identity , it seems somebody changed the admin to , guess my role i wont tell you about my qualification police
or i did not still understand what you are on about , help me making it understand ..
peace
God bless youI changed it with chrome inspect just to see what the post here would look like in real life http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608884.msg396144#msg396144
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I changed it with chrome inspect just to see what the post here would look like in real life http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608884.msg396144#msg396144
i still have no idea what you are on about?
what is you purpose of posting and changing the name of admin?
and what message you want to deliever?but it would be nice if you finish this mystery movie lol confused
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Heya,
I am a male, 26 years old, born and living in the Netherlands (indian/surinam background), single -\
I was random posting on Ummah.com when I received private messages from Comrox asking from what Quran-only community I come from.
Told her I was kicked from my previous quran-only community and that I was now wandering around lonely on sunni-forums to gently poke at them with my Quran-only believes. I did this to forget my loneliness. She told me about free-minds.org, I gave a quick look and I told her I am not looking for a "home" that is filled with hadith-muslims. She said that I looked wrong and that the main people here are quran-only. So today I have arrived to interact with you guys. I hope I can find like-minded brothers/sisters here.How I found Quran-Islam
I am from a sunni-family, but before you say "Oh he was Sunni" then allow me to tell you that I was never ever Sunni. You see, I was always in a learning phase of Islam. My parents are slow teachers.
I was just blindly following my family without questions. But always very sceptical. I never was amused that I had to listen to imams and I always saw their arrogance face when they were praising the prophet or everytime yelling/saying "ahamdullilah, allah hu akbur, subanala, inshalah etc"... such things really gets me annoyed. No idea why. It just annoys me, they say these stuff to make themselves appear as a holy saint, which they are only on the outside with their cloths and beard but on the inside they are just "ugly".I was close in abandoning Islam, when your a university student, you come at a point in your life where you need to choose I am soon entering a professional life, would this religion still have a place in my life ? I could never figure it out, because things had changed when I lost my older brother (drug-addict etc). I was full of sadness I locked myself in my bedroom, concealed myself from social life and started reading a book which I had for years in my bedroom but never bothered to open it The Quran. For the first time I opened up the Quran in my room (Dutch-translated Quran full of dust) and started reading... and it was glorious beautiful. It felt like I found life in a dark world. I felt reborn. It piss me off that my parents never motivated me to read it.
While I was reading the Quran, I wasn't a true Quran-Only believer yet. I still followed the practices of my family/local mosque/Sunni-style. But there are two things I strongly disagreed with that made me a true Quran-Only believer
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The hadiths. I am honest I did not even knew my parents and family were following other books then the Quran. I thought every muslim was only following the Quran. So yeah, I was shocked when I visited Dutch islamic forums that muslims were following hadiths. Back then I did not know it was also possible to follow Islam without using hadiths... I blamed Islam itself and almost quit my religion (I wasn't reading Quran back then).
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The way how we prayed I had to pray 5 times a week in a damn language I did not even understand... and that piss me off. I am big fan of history books and documentaries. From this I know that "forcing people to pray 5 times in a day will make it easier to keep them obedient at their king". Ofcourse I loved the peace-feeling I get when praying. But in the end it piss me off that I had to mumble arabic words I did not understood. I decided to get on google to find some satisfying alternative or a argument to stop praying 5 times a day. It did not make any sense at all and it was wasting plenty of my time, especially repeating ra'kaats. I found this youtube-video https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ql4pPgAbDU from Quran-Islam.org. I contacted the admin to tell me more about it.
My glorious time within the Quran-islam.org Community-group
3 weeks later I became a member of a closed/hidden google-group from Quran-Islam.org. I felt blessed from god. I learned so much about Quran-Only Islam while being in that group. I found many sisters and brothers. I felt freedom and I was happy I found the true Islam. I threw away my dutch-translated Quran because it was invested with notations from hadiths and translations which are based from hadiths. Instead I used a new translated Quran from the google-group (still not published on quran-islam.org). I let go all those human-made customs and my faith in God increased while the burden of following Islam became lighter.But then dark times arrived. I disagreed with the owner of the website, the leader of our google-group I did not believe in the code 19 miracle and I belied Rashad Khan was just a fraud who benefited from the faults of the sunni/shia muslims. I don't believe he is a messenger. With this I lost my connection with many of my brothers and sisters at quran-islam.org. Some of them e-mailed me after I was kicked because they loved me, and I still love them. But after a technical-discussion about "How can we be sure that the location of Mecca from the Quran is the current Mecca we have in this world ?" We were just philosophizing about the technical aspects of Mecca, but the admin had enough of it and declared me as a troublemaker, and I got kicked from the group.
Now I am happy that I got out from Quran-Islam.org because I heard afterwards from other members that he attributed more verses to Rashad Khan with arguments that sounds childish too me.
He has not published those pages on Quran-Islam.org, out of respect for him I will not reveal those until he does it. I still e-mail him now and then, in the end he is still a lovely and intelligent man who knows how to translate the Quran without any bias from hadiths and without changing the words of God. Quran-islam.org is a good website except for the code 19 and Rashad Khan part.So now you all know my story. My family was first very harsh on me when I told them that I don't follow hadiths, but now they are nice again too me. They couldn't stay long mad at me as they know I would not joke about it or anything. But yeah... I was and will never be able to convince them about the truth. But that's what being a Quran-muslim is all about
You cannot guide the ones you love. GOD is the only One who
guides in accordance with His will, and in accordance with His
knowledge of those who deserve the guidance.Nice to meet you all, brothers and sisters ;D
Moge de Vrede met u zijn,
Goed om te zien dat je zo ver bent gekomen broeder in het geloof. De volgende stap die ik had ondernomen nadat ik gestopt was met het kijken naar de videos van Rashad en Edip en voorgoed tegen mezelf zei dat ik niet meer andere mensen zou volgen was dat ik langzamerhand in de bijbel ging lezen. De Koran in vers 566,568 spoort ons hier zeker naartoe! En zo krijgt men ook een heel ander beeld, een juist beeld, en interpreteerd men de koran in het licht van de vorige openbaringen.
Maar goed, ik woon in Zuid-Holland. En kom helaas van een soennitische-salafistische achtergrond. Had ook geprobeerd te zoeken naar waarheid bij de Shia, en Soefis. Maar helaas. Tot op een dag gebeurde er een wonder, en sinds die dag heb ik met de wil van God Leiding gekregen van God en doe ik nu mijn best om Zijn Leiding te volgen.
Er valt nog heel veel te leren. Momenteel ben ik druk bezig met school. Maar ook druk ben ik bezig met het leren van de talen Hebreeuws, Aramees, Grieks en Arabisch. Dat om de Heilige Boeken in hun originele taal te lezen en bestuderen. Opdat ik geen foute vertalingen meer hoef te lezen. De enigste die ik nu een beetje vertrouw is die van FreeMinds van de Koran in het Engels en de Naardense Bijbel vertaling in het Nederlands. Maar nogmaals, het is heel belangrijk om de talen te leren. Zo ontwijk je een hele hoop fouten.
Ik ben blij om nog een Nederlander te zien. Er zijn 3 andere Nederlanders die ik ken die ook deze manier van denken hebben gekregen van God. Maar goed laat even wat van je horen in een prive bericht. Dan voeg ik je toe op facebook als je die hebt. Ik lees niet altijd alles op free-minds. Heb het druk met het lezen van de Geschriften. Owja, ik volg geen enkele overlevering als deze niet van God komt en niet door God is geinspireerd. Ik heb al een tijdje afstand gedaan van de soenies,salafis,shia,sufis etc. Maar ook omdat ik in de Boeken in de Bijbel geloof, volg ik ook geen katholieken, of mensen die boeken zoals de Talmud volgen naast het Woord van God etc.
Moge God ons Leiding schenken en ons Zijn Tevredenheid schenken en ons doen herenigen met Zijn profeten, boodschappers, martelaren, gelovigen, engelen, en allen de schepsels die goed zijn in Zijn Eeuwige Paradijs!
Ik wens je veel succes natuurlijk met het studeren van het Woord van God. Hoor graag van je. Moge God ons beschermen tegen de verworpenen duivel, de influisteringen van de duivels en opdat zij dichterbij ons komen.
Vrede.
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