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What is your "IDEAL" afterlife would be like ?

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    LastDay3
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    19- And to HIM (belong) whoever is in the heavens and on the earth.
    And those who are (truly conscious, of sound mind and intelligent, humble and truthful) in the Sight of HIM
    (=Angels & Humans) are never too proud to serve HIM, and they never waver.

    20- (due to their true Love and deep Devotion to AL-LAH therein =7/206) they glorify (HIM) Night and Day, they never cease.

    • The "Light" (=Noor) of AL-LAH
      --(which can never be compared and never be likened to any other "light" of/in universes =24/35 = 42/11 = 112/1-4)--
      shines unto those who constantly commemorate and glorify AL-LAH (=24/35-3 and it gives them
      indescribable Happiness, Consciousness, and Joy and Serenity. (=10/62-64 = 2/257)

    .........

    27- They (=those Angels & Humans above) do not speak ahead of HIM, and only by HIS Commandment they act.

    28- HE knows all that is in front of them and all that is behind them, and they do not intercede unless it is for those whom HE is pleased with.
    And (due to their true Love and deep Devotion to AL-LAH =7/206) they always stand in reverent Awe of HIM.

    29- And whoever of them says "I am a god besides HIM --(by claiming himself to be a "partner," and a "portion/share/piece/part" of HIM)--
    then (that angel or human) We would requite with desolation. (For) thus We have to requite such wicked (to prevent their megalomania
    and sick mind and their consequent tyranny over all others here 25/43 = 26/29-6!

    *Iblees/Satan himself was an "Angel" previously, but when he claimed himself to be a god besides HIM therein,
    by ignorantly and arrogantly claiming himself to be a "partner," and a "portion/share/piece/part" of HIM therein, first of all,

    =QURAN TESTAMENT 43/15-16, 19-21 = 53/19-27, 28-30

    consequently he became a "Jinn" and was thus rightfully dismissed from the Dominion of AL-LAH therein, because of his such strong megalomania,
    and deeply sick mind, and hugely inflated ego & tyranny therein. (=18/50 = 17/61-65)

    QURAN TESTAMENT 21/27-29

    Remain in peace/salaam.

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      The Arabic word Rabb means not much more than just foundation or what sustains the same.

      are you sure thats it ...

      Ra-Ba-Ba = to be a lord and master, collect, possess/owner, rule, increase, complete, bring up, preserve, chief, guardian, regulator, determiner, caretaker, provider, sustainer, perfecter, rewarder, creator, maintainer, reposer of properties, developer, former of rules and laws of the growth, foster a thing in such a manner as to make it attain one condition after another until it reaches its goal of completion, the bringing a thing to a state of completion by degrees, whoever possesses a thing is it's rabb.

      if you look in the context of quran the bold words perfect fit for the rabb ...

      its another thing if you are already made up your mind , i wonder why did not you become an arabic teacher tell people their language is wrong , and a person from 21st century is the first one who point out mistakes in meanings.. police

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        its like telling a mechanic is to doctor how to operate surgery... becoz what i feel arabic is not your native language but you still i m just amazed actually... now i understand why people not really ponder about your claims...
        @ MOF

        if i debate with you its just a reason i want you to ponder about yourself , surely you are distracted , if you are loyal to your creator revise your thinking and learn the concept of language again ...

        if you are asking what you not worth and according to last day if your mind is deluded like satan/samree/pharoah and lot of other people who claim to be God or part of God they are among the losers,

        arrogance is not a good thing my brother...

        or let us talk something real... did you find anything in quran which indicates your claims.. as i see you are allergic to quran.. and thats the exact situation quran tells about disveleivers , that due to the law of effect on themselves they become blind , who already in a state of denial.. you are just in a denial state to agree on that you are a slave of your God.. or he is your creator.. you continously claim you are a share/portion of God..

        may God bless you , and guide you to the right path...

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          LastDay3
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          Parents and siblings to be happy ? You can forget about that.
          There is a Quran verse that says that the family-ties are gone on the Day of judgement
          we will forget about our family and not ask for our family on the day of judgement.
          We would only see our fellow believers as a family. .........

          Sad story but it makes sense. The family-ties only exists for survival on earth, it is not a necessary thing in the afterlife.

          When the horn is blown, no family relations will exist between them on that day, nor will they ask about one another.

          Salaam/Peace Dakhan,

          I strongly believe there will be no family-relations (=ansaab) between Humans in the hereafter, when/if some members
          of the Family are sent into Hell therein due to their own hostilities, aggression (=22/72 & 85/4-10 & ...)
          when/if they continue to commit them out of their ignorance and arrogance till the very end of their normal life here
          and never truly repent in this World (=4/17-1.

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          101- So when the horn is blown, then there will be no family-relations (=la ansaab) between them on that Day,
          nor will they ask for one another.

          V V V V V V V

          3- (Because) your relatives and your children will not benefit you, on the Day of Resurrection, (for) HE will separate between you (=i.e. those
          who have believed and worked for Righteous-Deeds in this world will thus Rightfully be admitted into Paradise therein 30/15,
          and those who have rejected and worked for such Evil-Deeds =22/72 & 85/4-10 in this world will thus Rightfully be admitted into Hell therein 30/16

          For AL-LAH is Seer of what you do.

          QURAN TESTAMENT 21/101 = 60/3

          But on the other hand, all Family members who have believed and worked for Righteous-Deeds in this world
          will thus remain as a Great Family (=i.e. all Ancestors and Descendants all together therein)
          when they are admitted into Paradise in the Hereafter 30/15,

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          21- And those (Ancestors/Parents) who have believed, and their descendants/siblings (=dhurriyatuhum) also followed them in belief;
          We will have their descendants/siblings (=dhurriyatahum) join them --(in Paradise, in a parallel Universe,
          which they will be admitted into, instantly, at the time of their normal death here 16/32
          and thus they will instantly be awakened in that Paradise, in their perfect Human form, even to their fingertips therein 75/3-6).

          We shall not let any of their deeds go to waste. For every person will be perfectly paid for what he/she did (in this World).

          22- And We will supply them with delicious-fruit and wonderful-food such as they desire (some of which may basically be
          very similar as in this World in shape and taste therein =2/25).

          23- They will also enjoy wonderful-drinks therein, from which there is no nonsense, no sin.

          24- And immortal-persons (to attend) to them will be around them, they are (as brilliant) as protected pearls.

          25- And they will come to one another asking.

          26- They will say We were before this (=in the World) always reverently conscious (of our LORD) (=mushfeqeen thus especially,
          by never setting any "partners" to their LORD here 23/57-59)-- amidst our people.

          27- So, AL-LAH thus blessed us, and has spared us the agony of the ill-winds.

          28- (Because) we were before this (=in the World) always call upon HIM (as our One and Only LORD Who has
          never appointed no "partners" to HIMSELF from any of HIS Servants here, in no way, at all 72/19-20 = 17/111).

          (Thus) HE is the Most-Kind, the Most-Merciful --(unto all of HIS truthful Servants who decisively refuted and rejected that megalomaniac Iblees/Satan
          who tried to proclaim himself to be a "partner" of AL-LAH, in order also to eventually claim "himself" to be AL-LAH,
          thus to exploit all Humanity by his deep sickness and tyranny, as/in clearly witnessed in the dark ages
          in his cronies (=Catholic Church & Crusades, etc. here =5/17-18, 72-74).

          QURAN TESTAMENT 51/21-28

          Remain in peace/salaam.

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            its like telling a mechanic is to doctor how to operate surgery... becoz what i feel arabic is not your native language but you still i m just amazed actually... now i understand why people not really ponder about your claims...
            @ MOF

            if i debate with you its just a reason i want you to ponder about yourself , surely you are distracted , if you are loyal to your creator revise your thinking and learn the concept of language again ...

            if you are asking what you not worth and according to last day if your mind is deluded like satan/samree/pharoah and lot of other people who claim to be God or part of God they are among the losers,

            arrogance is not a good thing my brother...

            or let us talk something real... did you find anything in quran which indicates your claims.. as i see you are allergic to quran.. and thats the exact situation quran tells about disveleivers , that due to the law of effect on themselves they become blind , who already in a state of denial.. you are just in a denial state to agree on that you are a slave of your God.. or he is your creator.. you continously claim you are a share/portion of God..

            may God bless you , and guide you to the right path...

            Or it is you who are blinded by an ancient sectarian invention, brother. Your entire faith is incoherent when it comes to the purpose of it. If you employ logic what kind of sound argument do you have for "God's" purpose of keeping pets in a kind of worldly and lowly paradise for the sole reason they managed to flatter him?

            You do do not counter me with anything substantial, but only saying I am wrong or it is in contradiction with Quran, but have you ever even tried to evaluate whether the interpretation of it that you know is true or not? I am sure you have not.

            You took the example of haram in order to refute me, but you never considered how it can be that one an the same word can mean either sanctified and forbidden. I mean how do you want it? You came up with no constructive answer except telling me how lost I am. Are you not extremely gullible to believe that haram means both sanctified and forbidden because they are in great contrast?

            The plain answer which you deny is that haram always means sanctified and nothing else. If you try to claim anything else it is actually you who are the deluded one and not me, and you have nothing sound in ways of countering my argument. All you can is saying what I am and not am, from your ignorant opinion which has no solid foundation to your argument. So what you say about me has no substantiation, it means nothing to anyone who can reflect.

            If you like to counter me on an acceptable level you need sound arguments and to break the language down into morphology. Otherwise you are just employing weak accusations against me which carry no merit.

            Be well
            Amenuel

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              Or it is you who are blinded by an ancient sectarian invention, brother. Your entire faith is incoherent when it comes to the purpose of it. If you employ logic what kind of sound argument do you have for "God's" purpose of keeping pets in a kind of worldly and lowly paradise for the sole reason they managed to flatter him?

              You do do not counter me with anything substantial, but only saying I am wrong or it is in contradiction with Quran, but have you ever even tried to evaluate whether the interpretation of it that you know is true or not? I am sure you have not.

              You took the example of haram in order to refute me, but you never considered how it can be that one an the same word can mean either sanctified and forbidden. I mean how do you want it? You came up with no constructive answer except telling me how lost I am. Are you not extremely gullible to believe that haram means both sanctified and forbidden because they are in great contrast?

              The plain answer which you deny is that haram always means sanctified and nothing else. If you try to claim anything else it is actually you who are the deluded one and not me, and you have nothing sound in ways of countering my argument. All you can is saying what I am and not am, from your ignorant opinion which has no solid foundation to your argument. So what you say about me has no substantiation, it means nothing to anyone who can reflect.

              If you like to counter me on an acceptable level you need sound arguments and to break the language down into morphology. Otherwise you are just employing weak accusations against me which carry no merit.

              Be well
              Amenuel

              rotfl

              trust me look at all your post again and my post again... what i say it was very simple and easy...

              but i feel you are not feeling good when i ask questions from you ,

              dnt worry i willl not take a test of your patience... i just wanted to understand your point of view , but you always failed in it... i dnt know why.. may be we all are wrong , and you are true...

              same things happen with messengers always they bring a message but no body beleive them..

              but there system is quite different through they know how to give answer of every question that should ask,,, like moses make people quiet , abraham make king quiet, and lot of other examples,,

              i did not see how an insightful perosn is unable to defend the claims whatever he made like haram, portion share of God and stuff.. Allah is not God ,, oh my God tell me one thing is there is anybody else you find in the world who claim Allah is not God... let me know in that case please... thanx in advance

              any way dnt worry about it i feel you need much more time to logically prove your claims and stuff... or to understand all that stuff...

              peace
              be well

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                Or it is you who are blinded by an ancient sectarian invention, brother. Your entire faith is incoherent when it comes to the purpose of it.
                If you employ "logic" what kind of sound argument do you have for "God's" purpose of keeping pets in a kind of worldly and lowly paradise
                for the sole reason they managed to flatter him?

                Salaam/Peace Man of Faith,

                first of all, we do not employ your wrongful persepective and "logic" (which is totally megalomaniac, deeply sick
                and totally crooked/deluded inside of you)--

                when we should truthfully think about and reflect on Most Important Things in this Life (=such as

                =the Wonderful Purpose of the Creation of All of Us by AL-LAH (51/56-57-58 = 6/14 = ......),

                =the Great Importance of the Praise of AL-LAH and Devotion to HIM Alone as our One and Only GOD (21/26-29 = 6/19 = ......),

                =the Perfect Beauty and Elegance and Wisdom, and the Ultimate Purpose in HIS Creation of everything and everyone (2/164-165 = 3/191-198 = ......),

                =the Wonderful Purpose of the Creation of Eternal Paradise by AL-LAH for all of HIS truthful Servants (=of Humans, and Jinns, and all other
                wonderful Creatures as well, living on this Earth) (9/71-72 = 72/1-2 = 6/38 = ......)

                But because you are such a megalomaniac, with a deeply sick mind and hugely inflated ego

                --(*you should not take these as personal attacks, because this is the true description and diagnosis of your "state of mind," first of all,
                and you can still repent and return to AL-LAH and get rid of your deep diseases here (=4/17 & 25/68-71),
                if you have the courage and honesty to fight against your own sick ego and all those satanic urges upon you here, first of all 17/64 = 25/43)--

                that nothing can satisfy you anymore unless you claim yourself to be a "partner" of AL-LAH, and a "portion/piece/share/part" of AL-LAH,
                and eventually "yourself" to be AL-LAH!

                with your weird lexicons, and your horrifically deluded/crooked interpretations therein, in accordance with your strong megalomania,
                deeply sick mind and hugely inflated ego, first of all.

                So, let us clearly witness your horrific interpretation here again,
                to completely understand the horrendous level of your sickness of your mind and ego here

                "MoF" says Quran does not use the word ALLAH to refer to GOD .......

                ALLAH could be you or "Me", it refers to "SomeOne" 'Who Is'.

                So now, for example, let us clearly see these Most Essential Verses
                in the True and Authentic QURAN sent down to us by our Lord AL-LAH,
                here

                ==========
                3- Surely, your LORD (=RABBAKUM) is AL-LAH Who has created the heavens and the earth ......

                ...... Thus, AL-LAH is your LORD (=RABBUKUM). You shall serve HIM (=abudooHU) --not anyone else =12/40!
                Will you still not take heed?

                32- ...... Thus, AL-LAH is your True LORD (=RABBUKUM) --not anyone else =6/164!
                So what is after The TRUTH except straying?

                So, will you still be deceived and turned away?

                (True and Authentic) QURAN TESTAMENT 10/3 & 32

                And now, let us clearly see these Most Essential Verses above
                this time in the false and imaginary Quran taught by this "Man of Faith" --(as recommended by him to all of us in
                his quote above we have to replace the Word AL-LAH --(just for a moment here, below)-- with "SomeOne" 'Who Is' = "Man of Faith"
                according to his unmistakably clear suggestion in his quote above)-- now here

                ==========
                3- Surely, your LORD (=RABBAKUM) is "Man of Faith" who has created the heavens and the earth ......

                ...... Thus, "Man of Faith" is your LORD (=RABBUKUM). You shall serve HIM (=abudooHU) --not anyone else =12/40!
                Will you still not take heed?

                32- ...... Thus, "Man of Faith" is your True LORD (=RABBUKUM) --not anyone else =6/164!
                So what is after The TRUTH except straying?

                So, will you still be deceived and turned away?

                (false and imaginary) Quran Testament 10/3 & 32

                So, this is why our Lord AL-LAH clearly and perfectly teaches us to seek refuge with HIM from Iblees/Satan, first of all,
                when we start to read the True and Authentic QURAN,
                because Iblees/Satan can easily recruit and manipulate such utterly deluded and horrifically intoxicated Guys (=like this "Man of Faith" above)
                and thus concoct a false and imaginary Quran based on his such totally crooked/deluded interpretations and assumptions above.

                =QURAN TESTAMENT 16/98-99-100 = 17/64 = 25/43
                (*So in this respect, please, absolutely see these Verses above, clearly and openly, in my previous posts above.)

                So thereby, we should also clearly and unmistakably comprehend that

                our Lord AL-LAH's One of the Greatest Blessing unto each and every of HIS truthful Servant here (=21/19-20, 26-29)
                is the Fact that

                HE does Never appoint any "partner", or a "portion/share/piece/part" to HIMSELF, from any of HIS Servants,
                in no way, at all, (=6/163 & 43/15 & 17/111)

                and HE thus saves us from the megalomaniac Iblees/Satan and such "Samarians" under his command and control (=17/64 = 6/112-113)
                who would claim himself to be a "partner" of AL-LAH, and a "portion/piece/share/part" of AL-LAH, and thus eventually "himself" to be AL-LAH!

                in order to exploit all Humanity by his utterly deluded/crooked interpretations to make them "cronies and slaves" to his deeply sick mind and
                hugely inflated ego (=some such "Samarians" even make their blind followers lick their feet, and eventually even also their "fecal excrement"
                by presenting it a "portion/share/piece/part" of their false and imaginary God therein, in unity! because they --implicitly or explicitly-- introduce themselves
                --even down to their "fecal excrement" therein-- as direct "manifestation" of their false and imaginary God therein, in unity!

                And this utterly deluded and heavily intoxicated "Samarian" above also still claims that "haram/harrama" in QURAN
                means "sanctified/blessed/good," and thereby he thus makes it totally "sanctified/blessed/good" if one marries his own mother, and sister/s,
                and daughter/s here (=4/23-24), according to his totally deluded/crooked interpretation above again!

                So, finally, let us clearly see this Most Essential Verse, in this respect, here

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                43- Have you seen the One who has taken his ego (=in Arabic hawahu) as his GOD (by claiming that
                he "himself" could be AL-LAH, or a "partner" of AL-LAH, or a "portion/share/piece/part" of AL-LAH, (=43/15)

                as this awfully deluded Guy (="Man of Faith") still indicates it for himself above.

                Can you ever be an advocate over him (to guide or save him)?
                (*especially, when/if he decides to be resolute not to resist the Satanic urge upon him and continue to trust "his being" (=i.e. "ego")
                as he clearly confesses it in that quote, at the very beginning of that previous post above.)

                QURAN TESTAMENT 25/43

                So therefore, only those who truly repent and wholeheartedly return to "AL-LAH"

                as our One and Only "LORD" (="RABB") here (=6/164)

                Whose Individual/Personal BEING is absolutely Different/Separate/Distinct above and beyond all Universe/s, all Things we can
                ever imagine above us,

                QURAN TESTAMENT 70/4 = 42/11 = 112/1-4

                and so HE has never appointed no "Partners" to HIMSELF from any of HIS Servants (=i.e. Humans, Angels, Jinns, etc.),
                in no way, at all,

                QURAN TESTAMENT 6/163 = 17/111

                and HE has never ascribed no "Portion/Share/Piece/Part" to HIMSELF from any of HIS Servants (=i.e. Humans, Angels, Jinns, etc.),
                in no way, at all,

                QURAN TESTAMENT 43/15 = 5/17-18 = 5/72-74 = 43/19-20

                shall be forgiven and saved by AL-LAH in this Most Generous & Most Benevolent Manner here,
                and they shall always be truthful Human Servants of AL-LAH, in Eternal Serenity & Peace & Victory, forever.

                =QURAN TESTAMENT 25/68-69-70-71, 72-73-74-75-76

                Remain in peace/salaam.

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                  3- Surely, your LORD (=RABBAKUM) is "Man of Faith" who has created the heavens and the earth ......

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                    I think it is unkind to make fun of people. I did not make fun of your belief despite I personally find you believe in something awfully primitive where a god keeps people as pets in an unproductive farm, completely illogical and absurd beliefs, and I could call you things if I liked. Your belief suits your attachment to the bodily, hope you enjoy your "garden".

                    And you have not understood what I am teaching because I am not an "examined" Maleik (angel) yet and I was not involved in the creation of this world because I am just a growing seed. However such as Gabriel and Michael have been Maleikat during the creation of this cycle.

                    So no, I was not designing this world.

                    Be well
                    Amenuel

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                      I think it is unkind to make fun of people. I did not make fun of your belief despite I personally find you believe in something awfully "primitive"
                      where a god keeps people as pets in an "unproductive farm," completely illogical and absurd beliefs, and I could call you things if I liked.
                      Your belief suits your attachment to the bodily, hope you enjoy your "garden".

                      Salaam/Peace MoF,

                      first of all, "al-Jannat" (="the Paradise&quot (whose width encompasses the whole Universes =3/133) is not a "primitive unproductive farm"
                      as you would like to wrongfully perceive and label it in your megalomaniac, deeply sick mind under the influence of Iblees/Satan.

                      All truthful (Human and Jinn and Angel) Servants of AL-LAH who rightfully recognizes HIM as One and Only GOD (=ILAHUN Wahidun =2/163),
                      and never set any "partner" to HIM --(they never claim to be a "partner," or a "portion/share/piece/part" of AL-LAH, and
                      never claim "themselves" to be AL-LAH =21/26-29

                      as that megalomaniac Iblees/Satan and his human and jinn followers here (17/64 = 6/112-113) wrongfully claim it
                      for "themselves" here 43/15 = 5/17-18 = 43/19-20 because of their strong megalomania, deeply sick mind, and hugely inflated egos.)--

                      Thereby, all truthful (Human and Jinn and Angel) Servants of AL-LAH above (=21/26-29 & 72/1-2) will thus be living
                      in that "al-Jannat" (="the Paradise&quot (whose width encompasses the whole Universes =3/133),
                      and they will always glorify AL-LAH by truly and wholeheartedly reflecting on HIS Awesome Creation Power, Eternal Justice,
                      Perfect Wisdom & Judgment as HE Superbly Establishes them throughout the whole Universes therein (65/12 = 2/164 = 7/54 = ......),

                      and they will thus rightfully and wholeheartedly observe all the Commandments of AL-LAH unto them,
                      using all of their AL-LAH Given Abilities/Powers/Knowledge, as Honorable & Loyal Servants of AL-LAH therein,
                      under HIS Eternal Kingship/Sovereignty therein (=21/19-20, 21-26 = 12/6 = 18/95-97 = 27/40 = 34/10-13 = ......),

                      and they will also always be vigilant, and will thus decisively and utterly refute and reject that megalomaniac Iblees/Satan's evil agenda and his
                      human and jinn cronies mentioned above (17/64 = 6/112-113).

                      In this respect, our Lord AL-LAH has clearly and perfectly informed us about this "al-Jannat" (="the Paradise&quot
                      (whose width encompasses the whole Universes =3/133), specifically for HIS Truthful Human Servants (=all of Us),
                      here again thus

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                      21- And those (Ancestors/Parents) who have believed, and their descendants/siblings (=dhurriyatuhum) also followed them in belief;
                      We will have their descendants/siblings (=dhurriyatahum) join them --(in Paradise, in parallel Universes,
                      which they will be admitted into, instantly, at the time of their normal death here 16/32
                      and thus they will instantly be awakened in that Paradise, in their --inviolable/unassailable-- perfect Human form, even to
                      their fingertips therein 75/3-6 = 2/38 = 21/69, 103).

                      We shall not let any of their deeds go to waste. For every person will be perfectly paid for what he/she did (in this World).

                      ......

                      25- And (in that Paradise above) they will come to one another asking.

                      26- They will say We were before this (=in the World) always reverently conscious (of our LORD) (=mushfeqeen thus especially,
                      by never setting any "partners" to their LORD here 23/57-59)-- amidst our people.

                      27- So, AL-LAH thus blessed us, and has spared us the agony of the ill-winds.

                      28- (Because) we were before this (=in the World) always call upon HIM (as our One and Only LORD Who has
                      never appointed no "partners" to HIMSELF from any of HIS Servants here, in no way, at all 72/19-20 = 17/111).

                      (Thus) HE is the Most-Kind, the Most-Merciful --(unto all of HIS truthful Servants who decisively refuted and rejected that megalomaniac Iblees/Satan
                      who tried to proclaim himself to be a "partner" of AL-LAH, in order also to eventually claim "himself" to be AL-LAH,

                      thus to exploit all Humanity to make them such "slaves" and "cronies" to himself here (17/64 = 6/112-113)
                      due to his deep sickness, arrogance and tyranny,
                      as/in clearly witnessed in the dark ages in his such "cronies" (=for example Catholic Church & Crusades, etc. here =5/17-18, 72-74).

                      QURAN TESTAMENT 51/21-28

                      I think it is unkind to make fun of people. I did not make fun of your belief ......
                      Your belief suits your attachment to the bodily, hope you enjoy your "garden".

                      I never make fun of people, dear fellow/friend MoF, and never make fun of their belief,
                      but if someone (knowingly or unknowingly) attempts to despise the One and Only Real GOD (=AL-LAH),
                      and HIS Wonderful Paradise HE has created for all of HIS Truthful Human Servants above, for such an Excellent Purpose
                      --(as we have clearly witnessed it in the above Verses),

                      then it is my absolute Responsibility/Duty (and every truthful Believer's absolute Responsibility/Duty here) to clearly prove the Fact that

                      those false and imaginary gods --(these are called "jibt and taghoot" and are utterly rejected and refuted by our Lord AL-LAH here =4/51, 60)--

                      concocted by Iblees/Satan here (17/64 = 6/112-113) are the primitive and contemptible false and imaginary gods that every
                      truthful Servant of AL-LAH must absolutely refute and reject here (=4/51, 60)!

                      So in this respect, those who serve such a false and imaginary god --(because according to Iblees/Satan, the whole universe, all things
                      and persons (=thus he indicates himself as such a person and then his such cronies here 5/18 & ......) are natural/intrinsic "partners,"
                      and a "portion/share/piece/part" of that false and imaginary god, in unity!

                      so the natural/inevitable conclusion of such a false and crooked belief above is that

                      for example all "sewage" (=i.e. all fecal and urinary waste and excrement of all animals on earth, etc., their awful smell and taste) should thus be
                      natural and intrinsic "portion/share/piece/part" of that false and imaginary god, in perfect unity, first of all!

                      So dear fellow/friend (MoF), can you clearly see now, thus your belief suits your attachment to Iblees/Satan (=17/64 = 25/43),
                      then consequently, should I say to you (in reply to your final statement above) = MoF, hope you enjoy your "sewage".

                      And if you still insist on wrongfully claiming that you are a natural/intrinsic "partner," and a "portion/share/piece/part" of
                      that false and imaginary god, in unity!

                      then when/if you have any such gullible followers (=25/43-44) you may have to let them taste your fecal and urinary excrement, first of all,
                      that they may have a strong and unshakable belief and loyalty to you and to your false and imaginary god, in perfect unity, therein!
                      (*you should never take this as a mere "making fun," because this is seriously the natural and inevitable consequence
                      of your utterly false and crooked belief under the influence of Iblees/Satan above.)

                      And if you still do not repent and return to One and Only Real GOD (=AL-LAH) here, immediately (=4/17-18),
                      you yourself may thus have to taste the fecal and urinary excrement of your master Iblees/Satan, eventually (=4/117-121)!


                      So therefore, only those who truly repent and wholeheartedly return to "AL-LAH"

                      as our One and Only "LORD" (="RABB&quot here (=6/164)

                      Whose Individual/Personal BEING is absolutely Different/Separate/Distinct above and beyond all Universe/s, all Things we can
                      ever imagine above us,

                      QURAN TESTAMENT 70/4 = 42/11 = 112/1-4

                      and so HE has never appointed no "Partners" to HIMSELF from any of HIS Servants (=i.e. Humans, Angels, Jinns, etc.),
                      in no way, at all,

                      QURAN TESTAMENT 6/163 = 17/111

                      and HE has never ascribed no "Portion/Share/Piece/Part" to HIMSELF from any of HIS Servants (=i.e. Humans, Angels, Jinns, etc.),
                      in no way, at all,

                      QURAN TESTAMENT 43/15 = 5/17-18 = 5/72-74 = 43/19-20

                      shall be forgiven and saved by AL-LAH in this Most Generous & Most Benevolent Manner here,
                      and they shall always be truthful Human Servants of AL-LAH, in Eternal Serenity & Peace & Victory, forever.

                      =QURAN TESTAMENT 25/68-69-70-71, 72-73-74-75-76

                      Remain in peace/salaam.

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                        So no, I was not designing this world.

                        what do you think, after this world/life/growth of seed finishing will you be able to design any new world? just a question dnt take it personally please i feel your level of patience is breaking down in these days....

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                          For example, I feel inspiration (influence) from the Sustainer to continue on this reinterpretation work on the Quran and I continue to do so even though if I consciously wanted I could quit doing it at any time, and it is tedious and requires a lot of my time to the extent that it becomes tiring. And sometimes I wonder why I am doing it for some thankless bunch of people who only complain about my discoveries and who say I am only inventing meanings and who knows what. Some days I feel I would do just like Jonah and give a damn about it. But then I remind myself that I actually know there is an ancient prophecy of Isaiah that still needs to be fulfilled.

                          i actually find another thing while accidently open a thread somebody linked today ... but i could not properly understand it.. help me understanding it please.?

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                            i actually find another thing while accidently open a thread somebody linked today ... but i could not properly understand it.. help me understanding it please.?

                            That is the common feeling, but I try not to feel now a year later. The quote is from a post over a year ago. Now I do my part and do not expect anyone to listen and only await the witted to be able to perceive.

                            If you ask to interpret it perchance you ought to ask the person who wrote this who is still with you.

                            Be well
                            Amenuel

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                              what do you think, after this world/life/growth of seed finishing will you be able to design any new world? just a question dnt take it personally please i feel your level of patience is breaking down in these days....

                              If I become a maleika then I will be in control, symbiotically.

                              It seems not more than a low percentage will qualify either. It is like the stream of semen at a fertilization, only one of each stream will fertilize the egg.

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                                "Man of Faith" says If I become a "Maleika" then I will be "in Control", symbiotically.


                                "Man of Faith" says Quran does not use the word ALLAH to refer to GOD .......

                                ALLAH could be you or "Me", it refers to "SomeOne" 'Who Is'.

                                Salaam/Peace MoF,

                                you are such a megalomaniac, with a deeply sick mind and hugely inflated ego

                                --(*you should not take these as personal attacks, because this is the true description and diagnosis
                                of your "state of mind" above, first of all,

                                and you can still repent and return to AL-LAH and get rid of your deep diseases here (=4/17 & 25/68-71),
                                if you have the courage and honesty to fight against your own sick ego and all of those satanic urges upon you above,
                                first of all 17/64 = 25/43)--

                                that you have thus promoted yourself, even in such a short period of time,

                                from being such a GOD-Like "Maleika" (concocted in your sick mind) (in your first quote above)
                                to ultimately indicating yourself to be "ALLAH" (in your second quote above)!

                                based on your weird lexicons, and your horrifically deluded/crooked interpretations therein, in accordance with your strong megalomania,
                                deeply sick mind and hugely inflated ego, under the influence of Iblees/Satan,
                                as it is clearly described here

                                QURAN TESTAMENT 17/64 = 6/71, 112-113 = 25/43

                                Therefore, I do not want to waste anymore time replying to your such satanic nonsense, MoF,
                                because I believe I have already delivered to you (in each of my previous posts above)
                                all of those crystal clear Verses of QURAN TESTAMENT
                                which unmistakably proves that you are --(knowingly or unknowingly)-- such a foolishly manipulated Guy by Iblees/Satan,
                                as it is clearly described here

                                QURAN TESTAMENT 17/64 = 6/71, 112-113 = 16/98-99-100
                                (*please, absolutely see all of these Verses above, clearly and openly delivered in my previous posts.)

                                I have only very limited time every day to post here (one or two replies, at most),
                                so if you are a moral human-being with any decency and honesty that might have left in you,
                                you should wholeheartedly give ear to my sincere recommendation (in blue) to you above,
                                and do not reply here anymore --(to expose and degrade yourself lower and lower with your such satanic nonsense above),

                                because from now on, I want to deliver all of those crystal clear Verses of QURAN TESTAMENT
                                in which our Lord AL-LAH unmistakably teaches us the clear and perfect meaning of these most important Words
                                (="RABB", and "ILAH", and thereafter "Abd", and then "Malak&quot

                                Thus we will continue to rightfully learn from our Lord AL-LAH

                                in HIS perfectly clear (=mubeen) and straightforward (=qayyiman)
                                and easy to understand (=yassarna) WORD (=QURAN TESTAMENT),

                                without any flaw/ambiguity in it (=la iwaja) therein, at all.

                                =QURAN TESTAMENT 15/1 = 39/28 = 54/17 = 18/1-2

                                Remain in peace/salaam.

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                                  you are such a megalomaniac, with a deeply sick mind and hugely inflated ego

                                  --(*you should not take these as personal attacks, because this is the true description and diagnosis
                                  of your "state of mind" above, first of all,

                                  and you can still repent and return to AL-LAH and get rid of your deep diseases here (=4/17 & 25/68-71),
                                  if you have the courage and honesty to fight against your own sick ego and all of those satanic urges upon you above,
                                  first of all 17/64 = 25/43)--

                                  (concocted in your sick mind

                                  under the influence of Iblees/Satan,

                                  which unmistakably proves that you are --(knowingly or unknowingly)-- such a foolishly manipulated Guy by Iblees/Satan,
                                  as it is clearly described here

                                  This is to much and against the forum rules

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                                    LastDay3,

                                    Could you please clarify your arguments, i.e. formulate what you base them on?

                                    Megalomaniac? I do not have any further benefits than any other man or woman and only my state of mind determines my level, which absolutely anyone can get who puts their mind to it.

                                    Sick mind, what is sick?

                                    Ego, how am I egotistical seeing I am sharing the same opportunity to join the kingdom of God to other people? If I was egotistical I would act differently, and then I would not at all be qualified for any of this.

                                    Ebless is not an existing person and Satan is the body's driving force which it appears you are susceptible to right as we speak.

                                    Be well
                                    Amenuel

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                                      Peace Man Of Faith.
                                      LastDay3 is saying to you "there is only one GOD". No one is a share/part/,,, with GOD!!! And "Allah" just means GOD. He is unique. You or anyone else cannot be "Allah". Only a sick mind will claim a share or part of "Allah".

                                      Qoran confirms what he is saying. How can anyone claim they are "Allah" if they believe Qoran?

                                      See all the verses he has quoted to back up his argument.
                                      I have not seen any verses from you backing your argument with him?
                                      GOD bless you.
                                      Peace

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                                        Ebless is not an existing person and Satan is the body's driving force which it appears you are susceptible to right as we speak.

                                        satan is an adjective to ibless or any evil doer, a kid can b a satan in plain language,, when we say he is very naughty/satan/bad....

                                        a word satan you can also use it for ibless. the rebellion character(angel/controller/jinn or whatever) according to quran.... hope you got it.. bro..

                                        and about rest of the post.. although nobody is unkind with you..no body is mocking at you... its seems people are mocking at your theories. that happened with everybody, like philosphers, scientists , prophets, messengers, untill they back their claims up with solid evidences... hope you got it..

                                        your theories most of them are not in the line of quran if i recall it correctly.. even the theory of recarnation its interesting though i try to figure out this thing but i read some of the verses which make me think there is no life , we have one chance only...

                                        26102 "If only we could have another chance, we would be among those who acknowledge.

                                        and about the theory of portion share part of God. its not in the line with 112

                                        and you have an alternate to back up your claims a magic of new age what people call it science... you can use that tool so that people will get you understand... if you will not giving proof and evidences of your claims not a single person will agree with you.. apart from the only people who are wishful thinker/conspricy theorists regarding quran ... examples i dnt want to give...

                                        your claims are interesting everybody have a right to claim/dream/ think/ beleive whatever they like... but a winner always win his claims with proof and logics and reasonings..like lot of prophets who wins the claims and wars too... sometimes like david...

                                        people when claim muhammad was a warrior, david too was warrior.. but they war against wrong doers ... your all claims when a person verify in the light of logic and reason most are them are not holding water...

                                        peace

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                                          Satan, the word, is applied to a person who does act according to their instincts and usually exclaimed when their instinctive act is considered particularly ignorant and "evil" in human terms. Quran uses Zalam which means dark, often incorrectly translated as evil. There is no separate person calling towards the irrational behavior but it is like an animal inside of you that cause you to select behavior. Enter into or something the root of Satan means and it would be something like entering drive.

                                          Ebless, the word is from Be-Lam-Siin and means to be shattered or broken from. You can call it an affection.

                                          I base this on lexical definitions from Semitic lexicons of decent age and it has nothing to do with New Age which I have no clue about because I was never interested but searched for the mysticism of the Semitic lore's origin.

                                          It is Quran's common interpretation and model of spirituality which does not hold any water, it actually leaks like a strainer and is against sensible logic, which logic I have perforated to shape the strainer that you see is letting water through and can barely hold even a tiny drop of water.

                                          Be well
                                          Amenuel

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