Is GOD running everything?
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question is cleaning problem is garbage under the carpet... hence they did sweep it.. so problem solved... !
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God is running everything... or best defination is God is controlling everything? in both occassion the very first question the athiest will ask ...
if God is running /controlling everything ... then its mean murder/rape/theft is happening by the running of God?
what answer you will gona give him...
is it not suitable if we say God is watching everything.. ? and the result of our doing is in control of God... if we put seed of apple we will get apple tree, if we put our hand in fire we will get burn..
Yes, murder / rape / theft / invasion and also your aging, your disease, your failure, your losses at stock exchange etc.. etc.. and all the things which you perceived as bad were happening as it was planned / designed by God.
As also, your will . your want, your action, your thought it's all happening as it was planned / designed by God.
That's why the best attitude is islam (not the religion)
Let Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven..With such attitude you will always find peace and happiness regardless of the situation..
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Yes, murder / rape / theft / invasion and also your aging, your disease, your failure, your losses at stock exchange etc.. etc.. and all the things which you perceived as bad were happening as it was planned / designed by God.
As also, your will . your want, your action, your thought it's all happening as it was planned / designed by God.
That's why the best attitude is islam (not the religion)
Let Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven..With such attitude you will always find peace and happiness regardless of the situation..
in this way its would be quite easy for a criminal to get escape on day of judgement...
he/she can easily say.. everything happened due to God so why we held accountable...
does it mean whatever we wish we should do it as we know everything is happening due to God.. rob/steal murder /cheat.. do it without any fear..
the wills and wishes are not really easy to achieve .. specially when there is a life span of 60 to 70 years in which half of the life we sleep. quarter of the life we spend in travelling studying eating... the rest of the quarter we have to earn and be productive... hardly 10 years u can say... so people take a shortcut , and short cut involves wrong doings...
but we need not to worry everything is happening due to the plan of God so we are not responsible... isnt it?
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Yes, murder / rape / theft / invasion and also your aging, your disease, your failure, your losses at stock exchange etc.. etc.. and all the things which you perceived as bad were happening as it was planned / designed by God.
As also, your will . your want, your action, your thought it's all happening as it was planned / designed by God.
That's why the best attitude is islam (not the religion)
Let Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven..With such attitude you will always find peace and happiness regardless of the situation..
so....true.
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in this way its would be quite easy for a criminal to get escape on day of judgement...
he/she can easily say.. everything happened due to God so why we held accountable...
Exactly..
Let's dwell first into the 'history' first..
The entire conception of "Judgement Day" was introduced by ancient Egyptian.. described in great details in the first 'holy book who was claimed to be authored by God(s)'.. titled "RW NW PRT M HRW".A great documentary about the holy book. I really recommend everyone to watch it, it's very interesting..
History Channel Egyptian Book Of The Dead The Guide to Afterlife, Human oldest religious document
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCO53xH5adghttps//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/Egypt_dauingevekten.jpg
Scene of Judgement Day from the Holy Book, weighting of the heart.Next regarding the 'logicality' of the Judgement Day..
Why would God need to 'wait' to certain day to pass a judgement?
Why would God need to ask "Why did you do this", "Why did you do that" etc... He already knows it.. much better than the 'person being judged'...You proposed a nice argument..
God "Why did you do X?"
Person being judged "Because you let me live.. if you didn't made me born into that world I wouldn't have done X".Whatever "X" is... good or bad or something in between..
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So does it mean that there is no judgment day ?
An English translation of the Quran - 248 And beware of a Day when no soul can avail another soul, nor will any intercession be accepted from it, nor will any ransom be taken, nor will they have supporters.
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So does it mean that there is no judgment day ?
yeh brother there is no judgement day cheers buddy...
now start doing things like , robbing, stealing, murdering, raping, whatever you wish enjoy your life you only get it once... yay
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Exactly..
Let's dwell first into the 'history' first..
The entire conception of "Judgement Day" was introduced by ancient Egyptian.. described in great details in the first 'holy book who was claimed to be authored by God(s)'.. titled "RW NW PRT M HRW".yes brother, it may be possible everything is man made... even God..
but my stupid mind ask me questions of my existence... very strange...
i got it two possibilities either there is no God or there is God ...
in case of no God like athiest the universe is God...natural selection and stuff...
universe created all hence universe is God...
but what i feel my mind get amazed, once more when i discover although i m the product of this universe lets find out universe , i hardly start learning it was a process 13.7 billion years ago... where i can glimpse the hand of the universe creator...
aww i m confused again... so universe is also a creature... not a creator...
who is our creator? who is the creator of this universe...
now at this stage athiest is quiet he already know that universe /nature /co incidence cannot give a birth to all this intelligently design master piece...
now there the spirtual thingie start...
a creator what we know as lord of the universe. the king of mankind, the god of mankind , the lord of mankind...
the God of everything within heavens and earth and whatever is between them...
nobody creates him while he is the creator of everything that exist...my mind is pushing me to beleive that thing i dnt know why becoz right know i have no better defination of creator...
now come to second step of my faith...
you tell me about history, but i filter history and everything with the help of a book already in hand by the lord of universe...
first i have to check that book , so let me check it scientifically , logically , historically, literally, and most important about predictions/prophecy ...
i found it 90 % stuff of that book is 100% correct and my logic is telling me the rest of the 10% is also correct ... its not proved yet due to weak human mind which is still discovering the edge of universe...
so regarding the judgement day thingie... its not happen yet so me you everybody have a right to comment on it... like 500 years ago people were mocking on expanding universe verse and prediction of pharao,, 1400 years ago mekkans were mocking on prophecy of conquering makkah...
but it happen true...
now my stubborn mind is still not convince but i have no option , my mind is tired and accept his defeat ... and i willingly accept the lord of world as my God, and i do beleive in the day of judgement and try to do rightoeus things for the minimum conditions for saving myself from hell fire 2/62..
you can also say i m afraid enough from hell fire, i just dnt want to take risk... so i will spend my life righteously, it dosent matter if after that nothing will gona happen.. atleast i m relaxed about my future,, but on other way if i denied the herafter , i mst live an afraid , and uncertain life and possibly if the judgement day is true i wrong myself here and hereafter..
so basically my mind set of risk free life... as i feel relax more than afraid by chosing this path...
thats what my thinking is regarding all this ... next post is about logic becoz its always my favourite subject...
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Next regarding the 'logicality' of the Judgement Day..
Why would God need to 'wait' to certain day to pass a judgement?
Why would God need to ask "Why did you do this", "Why did you do that" etc... He already knows it.. much better than the 'person being judged'...You proposed a nice argument..
God "Why did you do X?"
Person being judged "Because you let me live.. if you didn't made me born into that world I wouldn't have done X".Whatever "X" is... good or bad or something in between..
about this particular thing , its debateable...
but again if we look in to the scripture its appears to us that we accepted that test...
let say if somebody ask me i ll give u two minutes pain and in return 50 years of richies would you accept,,
i will say yes , and if we compare these 50 years with unlimited rewarded or punished life then even these two minutes worth nothing...
these 50 years are even not compareable with unlimited life...
you can disagreee with it,
but after all we again come on the last stop
why we are here? what is our purpose? why God created all this? why there is pain in life?
about God we already agree ,, he is logical without any flaw,, its must be our understanding that is not graspping the message...
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So does it mean that there is no judgment day ?
Yes as in everyday is a judgement day, every millisecond is a judgement millisecond..
let say if somebody ask me i ll give u two minutes pain and in return 50 years of richies would you accept,,
i will say yes , and if we compare these 50 years with unlimited rewarded or punished life then even these two minutes worth nothing...
I will say
"Why you want to inflict pain?"
"Do you enjoy inflicting pain to others?"
"Why do you give me riches?"
"Do you really think I want riches?""Oh you want a straight answer? Then it's NO, because I don't want riches and I don't like pain, and I think you have some mental problems if you DO love to inflict pain upon others".
why we are here? what is our purpose? why God created all this? why there is pain in life?
about God we already agree ,, he is logical without any flaw,, its must be our understanding that is not graspping the message...To shape or 'train' your perception / attitude (arabicien) and to learn something called "self-control"..
Judge not and you shall not be judged..
Lift others of their suffering and your suffering shall be lifted..
Forgive and you shall be forgiven..
Accept and you shall be accepted.. -
I will say
"Why you want to inflict pain?"
"Do you enjoy inflicting pain to others?"
"Why do you give me riches?"
"Do you really think I want riches?""Oh you want a straight answer? Then it's NO, because I don't want riches and I don't like pain, and I think you have some mental problems if you DO love to inflict pain upon others".
its looking like first you accepted the pain then, you want to quit in the middle of test , why is pain....
becoz if i already know there is a pain after gain... i dnt need gain and pain both.... thats why God address humanity ignorant ...and hasty...in taking decisions..?We have offered the trust to the heavens and the Earth, and the mountains, but they refused to bear it, and were fearful of it. But the human being accepted it; he was transgressing, ignorant.? (3372)
but its too late , once you leave an arrow from bow its difficult to get it back...according to the law of universe gravitation and forcing... once you see a test you cannot quit, now you me and everybody want to quit, why risking ourself honestly i feel same the way you feel but , i have nothing to do now... its happened... becoz we are really very ignorant... we should have to refuse at that time...
forget about what we did , its already happen now...
so accept that test... other wise remeber this thing...
?And your Lord took for the children of Adam from their backs, their progeny; and He made them witness over themselves ?Am I not your Lord?? They said ?Yes, we bear witness.? Thus you cannot say on the Day of Resurrection that you were unaware of this.? (7172)
i dnt even remember and i dnt even wish riches as well but its jst shows the weakness... that our reality how weak we are actually... on other words thats the last stage of our game ,
other words we give up giveup but giving up mean losing ... on other words...
but human being is very stubborn he never give up lets play then,,, lets finish this shit what we started with our own choice...
but again human being is very greedy too , when he look at the reward... he accepted it by willing to get pain of test...
a proverb the bird always have eyes on ground... our eyes were on the reward not on the difficulties .. for a temporary period... test of a fire make fine steel this temporary period lets assume it,, how mush it is actually..
let say i live 33 years of my life and i feel all the past is like one day or a part of day...
a person lives 80 years still he feel the same how i m feeling
on the day of judgement the feeling will be same...now compare this temporary life with the life unlimited... its feels even the part of day is not even 2 minutes... 20 minuttes or even 200 years... comapred to unnlimited life means ... eternal joys... tempt human being is ignorant but look at us
what we do ,,for this temporary life which is reality we spend our life started from schooing... we dnt like it... but mother force us to go there becoz she know its best for us...
we went too college then ... test afteer test...
we start our career...
and all the time our focus is on our future ... what future just 20 or 30 years of relaxtion we are ready to invest ourselves...
even we know after that we have to die one day... for this temporary life we are doing stuff like this.. so think about the eternal life , i think the species however did a mistake but crying on that mistake which is not in hand now... its not a wise decision , instead of crying we should focus on our future...
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To shape or 'train' your perception / attitude (arabicDien) and to learn something called "self-control"..
Judge not and you shall not be judged..
Lift others of their suffering and your suffering shall be lifted..
Forgive and you shall be forgiven..
Accept and you shall be accepted..brother i asked what is the purpose of all this... you are replying me this...
i agree all you said above.. but again why God created all this...at the first place he dnt really need to create something who never forgive , who is faulty , and he already know they will do like this... why putting us in this situation at the first hand... angels was already there to glorify God..
what is our purpose? what is the purpose of life ? why there is pain ?
why he created us... ?what advantage God is getting by this self control?
why i will serve/work for a company that will never pay me wages? or if i dnt need wages what is the purpose of my working/serving something?
your answer did not cover what i ask
my reply 17 in which i provide you a logical proof of judgement day i see you did not bother to talk about it..? i dont know why ..
thats actually indicate me you are accepting some verses and rejecting some verses,,, infact all the verses regarding the judgement day...
me and you we both dnt know what future holds, but we beleive if its from God we must accepet it...
we did not see God but we beleive.... ?
you really dnt need to beleive in God as well becoz God is a myth same like judgement day... the early humans invented it for scaring the kids... in reality no God exist becoz we dnt have any proof... -
"God" gets perfection out of someone who can manage the self-control. It is an evaluation in order to take place within the board of managers (angels) where it is expected that each share is sound and without imperfection. The other ones are failed and flagged for extermination. In that way "God" turns in cycles in order to expand from each wave. Take a sufficient amount of samples, impose heavy sifting and the probability is you get very refined results. Considered all the billions of souls/seeds and the few who will manage you can see the quality standard.
So focus on being flawless and if you say only "God" can your faith is weak.
Be well
Amenuel -
Man of Faith, when you say Flawless. Do you mean people like Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Elon Musk and etc. Humans that are making a mark in the world ? Affecting the timeline so to speak.
What makes those people flawless? The one who makes a mark is the person who contributes to spiritual development. The control of someone still being evaluated is very limited, they are not allowed to affect with a manager's control because that would make a deluded person dangerous and they remain "cut off from the source" (offline) until ready except if the established managers deem it okay for someone to still have (mostly limited) control while still in the flesh, e.g. Jesus healing flesh and resurrecting dead people.
Be well
Amenuel -
what is our purpose? what is the purpose of life ? why there is pain ?
why he created us... ?what advantage God is getting by this self control?
This universe that we're living in (and share with trillion of other species whether in this planet or others) is not created for the sake of God. God (or any other name one call it or him) doesn't need anything and is the most unselfish, unegoistic 'thing'.
Thus God is NOT getting anything from this universe and everything in it, but He (or It) gives anything to make this universe with trillion of galaxies exist and sustain.
Such are among the thing / attitude (read Unselfish, Unegoistic) that you will need to learn on this very very short life of yours... The importance of GIVING rather than TAKING.
You may not learn about it NOW, but you will.. as the events on your life unfold..It's hard to swallow for human brain, as for many millenias it's shaped for survivability on a hostile planet, where food is scarce and human need to fight to TAKE what he or she needs.
why i will serve/work for a company that will never pay me wages? or if i dnt need wages what is the purpose of my working/serving something?
Such is among the things that you will learn.
your answer did not cover what i ask
You need to realize the answer yourselves.... as others did.. I or anybody else cannot help you with that..
my reply 17 in which i provide you a logical proof of judgement day i see you did not bother to talk about it..? i dont know why ..
Tell me then what is YOUR understanding of 'judgement day', how long will it takes, what is happening there..
To me, every day is a judgement day, every millisecond is a judgement millisecond..
The best attitude.. accept the 'judgement'..me and you we both dnt know what future holds, but we beleive if its from God we must accepet it...
Exactly... but no IF... all the events in the past present and future.. is happening as it was supposed to be..
The best attitude is to accept it..we did not see God but we beleive.... ?
It's unfortunate that you cannot see God.. or should I say realize that God is here there and everywhere and every millisecond everyone sees Him or It.
you really dnt need to beleive in God as well becoz God is a myth same like judgement day... the early humans invented it for scaring the kids... in reality no God exist becoz we dnt have any proof...
The Ancient Egyptian priests invented "Judgment of the Dead" in order to
- Make people BUY the Holy Book Of The Dead, the only item which can 'save' the soul and it cost as much as a Ferrari car if it's today's currency.
- Make people obey the law as decreed by the priest and the pharaoh, (ie the #1 offense and unforgiven in the Judgement of the dead is when you steal the pharaoh's horses)
- Make people pay tribute to the temple and worship the deities which will appears after your death. (Osiris, Seth, Amit, Tet, Ra, Anubis etc..)
- Make people willing to pay the high cost of embalment and ceremonial burial of the deceased, as it's among the prerequisite for eternal life.
http//www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/funerary_practices/anubis.jpg
"Pay good heed to the weighing in the Balance of the heart of the Osiris, the singing-woman of Amen, Anhai, whose word is truth, and place thou her heart in the seat of truth in the presence of the Great God"http//www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/funerary_practices/scales.jpg
The Court that judges the wretch,
You know they are not lenient,
On the day of judging the miserable,
In the hour of doing their task.
It is painful when the accuser has knowledge,
Do not trust in length of years,
They view a lifetime in an hour!May Isis kneel over you and wash your newborn form, may she set you
on the good path of those who are judged innocent
in the face of any enemies who'd accuse you before the judges of Tomb-world,
on the blessed day you pass beyond.
I shall see lightland! I shall dwell in it. I shall judge the poor and the wealthy.
I shall do the same for the evil-doers; for mine is life, I am its lord, and the scepter will not be taken from me.O my heart of my being!
Do not rise up against me as witness,
Do not oppose me in the tribunal,
Do not rebel against me before the guardian of the scales!
You are my ka within my body,
The Khnum who prospers my limbs.
Go to the good place prepared for us,
Do not make my name stink before them,
The magistrates who put people in their places!
If it's good for us it's good for the judge,
It pleases him who renders judgment.
Do not invent lies before the god,
Before the great god, the lord of the west,
Lo, your uprightness brings vindication!Come," says Thoth, "why have you come?"
"I have come and I press forward so that I may be announced."
"What now is your condition?"
"I am purified from evil things, I am protected from the evil deeds of those who live in their days I am not among them."
"Now I will announce you. But who is he whose heaven is fire, whose walls are cobras, and whose floor is a stream of water? Who is he, I say?"
"He is Osiris."
"Come forward, then, you will be announced to him. Your cakes will come from the Eye of Ra, your beer from the Eye, your meals of the dead from the Eye. This has been decreed for the Osiris the overseer of the house of the overseer of the seal, Nu, triumphant."His heart is righteous, and it hath come forth from the Balance;
it hath not sinned against any god or any goddess.
Thoth hath weighed it according to the decree pronounced unto him by the Company of the Gods,
and it is most true and righteous.
Grant thou that cakes and ale may be given unto him,
and let him appear in the presence of the god Osiris,
and let him be like into the Followers of Horus for ever and ever. -
Jafar, Brother
Dont you think the real meaning of the Judgment day is
The Last Day of Judgment. When all humans will learn compassion and love to each other.
Hope you well
An interesting view.. I would say yes.. perhaps...
The traditional view of "Judgement Day" is a "Blaming / Punishing Event"..
Where the deities will ask for the "defense" of why the defendant perform such and such..
Mostly inspired by what happened on the "Judgement Court" between 4000 years ago up until today.
The accused brought forward, the 'judge' sitting on the throne asking questions...
Before finally decree the proper punishment for the accused..Truly every human made a mistake.. because only through mistakes they will learn..
Thus it depends on the 'standard' of the 'judge', the 'judgement ceremony' is useless if the 'judge' already have the intention to punish the accused. He will find any mistakes that he need to justify the punishment...
You can see this in any court whether it's 4000 years ago or even today..And there is no absolute good or evil in human, every good man has a dark side within him and every evil man has a good side within him.
Having said that These sentences makes sense to me
Do not judge, or you will be judged.
For with the same judgement you pronounce, you will also be judged;
And with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
Why do you look at the speck in your brother?s eye, but fail to notice the beam in your own eye?
-- Matt 72We all make mistakes and we are VERY BAD at realizing our own mistakes.
Mostly due to our own 'ego'.
Thus the best attitude is; not to judge others but understand them..
Always forgive others because we cannot realize our own mistakes..
By such we hope that our mistakes (which we don't and never realize by ourselves) will also be forgiven.."and forgive us of our sins as we also have forgiven those who have sinned against us"
-- Matt 69