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A Singaporean found Einstein's E=mc2 wrong!

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    spodacus
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    Salam,

    I believe Einstein tried to capture the relationship between mass and energy. He claims they are related by some constant (speed of light). The simplified equation E=mc^2 applies to objects that have mass but are not moving. The full equation also contains a parameter for the momentum of the object that is moving.

    Since the carrier medium is also related to speed of light (c=1/sqrt(permeability^2*permittivity^2), you can substitute into Einstein equation and now you have the wave carrier in the equation.

    Even if the equation is not correct, I don't think you can claim there is no relationship between mass and energy. They are interrelated.

    When you appreciate the complexity of the interactions on which this world was formed, you can only conclude that there is a Creator or Designer that made all this happen.

    Allah tells us in Quran that His servants are protected and can not be hurt or enslaved by shaytan. The fact that majority of the people are enslaved is because they do not listen to God's guidance and are therefore enslaved by their own deeds. This will not change, even if you prove that science is a big hoax. They will be enslaved by some other way since they are not protected by God. You can provide a friendly reminder, but other than that, you have to allow people to go astray or be duped. That is their decision.

    My personal recommendation is to learn the sciences as you can not help but appreciate the miracles of how this world was formed. It will increase your iman in the Creator, Allah swt.

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      Aladin_from_Azra_tribe
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      Allah tells us in Quran that His servants are protected and can not be hurt or enslaved by shaytan.

      As matter of fact, my dear brother, these were Shaytan's words, but, you're right, they're quoted in Qur'an.

      I love a science a lot, and I love all the people to whom Allah gave real knowledge. I just wanted to say that we have to make a difference between "theoretical science" (which is sihr) and real science, which can be defined as "applied science", just to make a difference. While Muslims were near the Qur'an they had their Golden Age in science, for 500+ years.
      I'm not trying to free the people also, because I know that when Moosa a.s. lead Bani Israel over the sea they asked him to make a god for them, and after that they took a golden calf to worhip.

      Speaking of topic, as I said, formula is bogus, because the light does not have mass and there's no such thing as "speed of light". But energy from mass is obvious, just we need to define correctly what is mass. To make it simplier for thinking... Try to imagine some object with any mass with an empty space around it; it's not possible, it doesn't exist. But, if mass exists independant of motion then how would be possible to measure this object's mass? It's not possible, mass exists only with some force, as its result, and all forces are motion, which produces waves on its carrier. I said that the light doesn't have mass because light itself is a set of waves, or better said it's a motion on its carrier.

      One of great Muslim scholars from a period I mentioned said that there're no colors in vacuum. What I understood from his words is that there's no light in an empty space, because light needs carrier, as any other wave. The question, from his statment, is what are stars?

      Einstein and many others before him introduced some very huge and very small inputs, which cannot be proved ever, but they took them as "possible". All their theoris are based on these inputs, and all of them are products of ancient satanist movement, which is known as "atomists". They tried to remove "God" from all equations and claimed that all existance is made of a tiny particles which they called "atoms", from which are 4 basic essences made earth, water, air and fire. But, God sent Aristotle, The First Teacher, to tell them that their atoms are bogus and there's one more essence, which he called "the first essence" or "God's essence", and which we know as "light" (noor) or "soul" (rooh).

      These essences have their normal order and we can see that the Earth (we're made of) is heaviest of them, then comes water, then air, then fire (jinn were made of), then "the first essence" (angels are made of and celestial bodies, for example). This is why we have springs of fresh water, because it's natural for water to be over the Earth. Air always wants to go up, over the Earth and water, and fire... if you make one you'll see its flame is always up. It's interesting that angels are coming down when Allah orders them to do so. We're taking these words as words of savage people, but satanists are still working as atomists, and real thinkers are interested in what Aristotle had to say.

      Anyways, we were told to think a lot about the Heavens and the Earth and what's on them and between them, and to think about ourselves, but we have no time for that, but little. It's much easier to accept others' opinions and assumptions. All Einstein's works are worthless and it's too much to spend 2 words on "his science", but if somebody wanna explore the sea of science he has to discard all theories and to accept only what he can prove. That's why I put my comment here for the young intelligent people to ask themselves if there's possibility that Einstein was only a puppet of masonic Zionists, in their enslaving the humanity with nonsences. Many countries are spending a lot of money to hold up E=mc?, money more then enough for all the Earth to live in peace and harmony.

      Allah's bless and salam.

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        imrankhawaja
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        21104 On the Day when We roll up the heavens like the scroll of a book is rolled up. As We initiated the first creation, so shall We return it. It is a promise of Ours that We will do this.

        hi guys , this verse is actually more than 1400 years old... can you find any relevance of modern theories of judgement day in this...

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          Aladin_from_Azra_tribe
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          There's nothing of "modern theories" in the Qur'an. Theories are assumptions and the Qur'an is haqq.

          Allah's bless and salam.

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            imrankhawaja
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            There's nothing of "modern theories" in the Qur'an. Theories are assumptions and the Qur'an is haqq.

            Allah's bless and salam.

            salam and bless to you too..

            quran is haqq(fact/reality). yeh no doubt , so i revise the question...

            modern science facts... instead of theories... the facts was theories once... and when proved by experiments the theories become facts...

            the verse above i quoted is still consider as theory not become a fact , but we know its a fact... and will come one day,, for science it will become fact when it will be happening... hope u got it now...

            peace

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              Aladin_from_Azra_tribe
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              If we study scientific discipline known as "logic" we can learn a lot about thinking (process), which is very important for our approach to Qur'an. But if we look at logic itself we'll find that nothing has changed since Aristotle, its "father". He told all we have to know about thinking, no matter if it's about correct thinking or false one.

              When Tesla was asked once how come all his machines are working when he makes them, there's no need for any test or changes in his projects, he answered I got an idea about the machine I'm going to make; then I think about it for days, months, sometimes for years. I turn it on in my mind and I'm looking how it's working. I'm finding all of its errors and malfunctions and I'm making changes, in my mind. When I'm totally sure that it's 100% workable I make it.

              This man was lead by knowledge about his projects, and here we can see the difference between the knowledge (or the real science if you like) and falsehood (or theoretical science if you like). We have to differ idea and theory. We're all getting ideas, all humans. Idea is Allah's sign (ayat). What we have to do with it? We have to think about it and with His Help we'll get the knowledge about it. Then it's upto us if we'll accept that knowledge we got. On the other hand, theory is an assumption, opinion, "Shaytan's touch". Sometimes they seem same to us, idea and theory, but they're very different. Idea can lead to the truth, but theory will lead only to falsehood.

              How can we recognize them? We can recognize them if we look at their starting points and their goals. Since the idea is "divine inspiration" its result is always to help mankind and its start is from some proven truth. It is not visible in total, because it's just an idea, but thinking process is helping in that, in creating salihat (good deeds) from an idea. On the other hand, theory is starting with assumptions, and any is wrong, even if it matches reality. Its goal is false too and some of goals are to be better then others, to get some personal benefit, to do something bad to others, and so on. There're people who're jahiloon (don't recognize the truth and don't have knowledge about something), and they can get ideas, since Allah is Merciful to all of the humanity. When jahil gets an idea he can't recognize it as idea and he can name it as "a theory". Btw, jahillon are not only amongs unbelievers, believer can be jahil too.

              So, if we read ayat you quoted we can see that there's no "maybe" in it. Allah is talking Haqq (Truth). We can get a theory from this ayat, as from any, but that theory will lead us to falsehood for sure. We can get an idea from it too, and if we think about it, it can lead us to the truth (knowledge) with His Help.

              Allah's bless and peace.

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                imrankhawaja
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                there are lot of facts once considered as theories... before discovering the mechanism of that thing...

                so all theorist are jahil according to you , thats great .. i m really impress...

                about that person tesla.. what happen with his idea about sub atomic particles... he denied that theory...if you recall it...

                but now its a proven fact that atom too can splitted...

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                  Aladin_from_Azra_tribe
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                  No, not all of theorists are jahiloon. I said that some of jahiloon can get an idea ("divine inspiration&quot, but they will probably recognize it as a theory, because they don't have the knowledge to recognize it as an idea. All of the people can get an idea, even "worst enemies of God".
                  But what I'm sure in is that all theories are "Shaytan's touch", because they're assumptions. The first theory was Adam's a.s. when he had a theory about eating from "the tree". Theory was that he'll be imortal. As I said, all theories are starting with falsehood and their goal is something false too. In Adam's a.s. case starting point was that eating from the tree will lead to imortallity, and goal was to be better or one of the angels.

                  If it's proven then it's easy to prove it again, right? Because, scientific experiment should be something anybody can do. So, are you sure you and I can prove anything of that? Or we can just talk about it, and enjoy in talking? I'm sure Tesla knew why he denied not just that theory, all of them. On the other hand, what he claimed in science was always truth and easy to prove. Speaking of that, there's something I'd like to share...

                  Tesla said once that he can provide electricity from the atmosphere for the whole humanity - for free. Can you recognize idea in this? Can you see the goal of his idea to help the whole humanity?

                  When I heard this for the first time I was very surprised and I said to myself oh, this would be fantastic, many problems could be solved easily. But, then I was sad because Tesla died and he couldn't teach us how to do this. But it was my assumption... What if, what if, what if... What if some people are harvesting electricity from the atmoshpere for free... but, they're selling it to their slaves - "ordinary humans", goyim?!?

                  Science is something beautiful, but, as in everything else, scientist are not same as science. As Muslims are not same as Islam.

                  Allah's bless and peace.

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                    good_logic
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                    Peace.
                    Just the same as all people are getting Qoran/scripture from GOD free,but some(a lot) are stealing from GOD,writing the ideas as their own and selling the books . They are pretending to help but they are lining up their own pockets and stealing from people!!!!!

                    In fact many are even twisting GOD s words and selling their work to mislead many others!!!

                    GOD bless.
                    Peace.

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                      ChanRasjid
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                      Dear Brothers and Sisters,

                      True science is never disallowed in Islam - simple logic. True science comes from sincerity and honesty of the scientists. False science comes with a willful heart that is bent on pursuing a goal without regard to the truth.

                      If we study the history physics since Newton, true discovery brought with it real technology that help man to have a greater control over the forces of nature. With Newtonian physics, we have the steam engines, later the gasoline engines as well as the jet turbines driving our airplanes. Chemistry give us the many modern materials to make things for our convenience. The discovery of electricity and magnetism made great impact on modern society. True science always bring about real benefits and conveniences to the ordinary common person.

                      Einstein's theories, special and general relativity are mathematical games and are invalid as theories about the physical world - the real world. What is the use of speculating about the Big Bang - how the universe began, about gravitational waves. Those are like fictions which you and me could write about, but useless. Remember the hadith about

                      Beware of knowledge that is of no use!

                      It is the same with the Standard Model of particle physics that the people at CERN running the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) are playing with telling us how great the energies their protons are speeding - with kinetic energy of 7 TeV (Tera electron volts, 10?? eV). What's the point? My finding is that the 7 TeV is fictious - the real energy is 470 MeV, off by a factor of 15, 000! What has quarks, Higg's boson, muons, nutrinos, color charges, etc. brought to us? Nothing real! We still cannot find and produce clean fusion energy from hydrogen (water). A hundred years after Marie Curie, we still have to rely on the very "dirty" and dangerous fission nuclear reactors. Look at Fukushima! How have the physicists at CERN gave us any new benefit? Tesla gave us a lot. What has the relativity theories given us? Nothing! But promises of great knowledge about the edge of the universe, not here and now. You still have to charge your iPhone every three days, not once a year. Which do you prefer - hearing about gravitational waves or having to charge your iPhone only once a year?

                      The reasons why great amount of funds are still spent on international collaboration on physics research that are useless - like LHC, ITER - is because governments have to rely on physicists to recommend what next big research project to do. But the physicists have been practicing fictitious particles physics all these many decades since the 1960's and they have nothing else! And the politicians who approves of the funds don't know if the physics proposed to them are real or fictitious - that's the condition of the real world. ITER, The International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor, is a continuation of fusion energy research based on the Tokamak model - a failed model for many decades. ITER is like some gamblers in the stock market who madly makes greater investment after very bad investments - hoping for a miracle! The smart money will cut loss and ask what went wrong? Answer Our modern particle physics are all useless - fictitious. How can you succeed in harnessing real fusion energy based on fictitious particle physics?

                      China, besides participating in ITER, is said to be about to build the next generation of particle collider twice larger than the LHC. China currently has the mad ambition to tell the world they are building bigger than the biggest - wasting precious resources. The sad thing is that Xi Jinping does not know physics and had to listen to his physicists advisors, and many of those holding top positions comes from the top western universities believing fully in their particle physics and relativity theories. But current particle physics is the sure road to nowhere.

                      But what can the world do. The media promotes what they promote and any alternative suggestions about physics are all put down. In the end, there is the sort of saying

                      They plan plans, but Allah has the final plan.

                      A new short paper of mine.
                      "The Bucherer Experiment and the Lorentz Force Law"
                      http//www.emc2fails.com

                      Best regards,
                      Chan Rasjid.

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