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    Aladin_from_Azra_tribe
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    The double slit experiment proves that our minds change the world around us. This information is awesome. Because in theory we can become like Neo in matrix, when we realize that Matrix is everywhere and that everything is made of ONE.

    "Double slit experiment" is an experiment done by one of best scientists ever - Young, and this is why its other name is Young's experiment. In this experiment Young proved that the light is a set of waves and it's not (made of) particles. If you read sihr it'll tell you that this same experiment is a prove that the light is wave and particle same time, as the "matter" is, but all we have to do with any information is to read/hear it and to think about it. Otherwise, if we just accept it or discard it, we'll be amongs kafiroon and/or kadhiboon regards that information.

    Most of the scientiest between Newton and Young thought that the light is made of particles, which comes from ancient satanists called "Atomists". Young as a believer and a good Christian knew the truth, but he cared about others and God gave him an evidence for others, very simple experiment, for which Young himself told that all we need for experiment is the sunlight (or daylight).

    According to Newton and other magicians (they were proud to be magicians) if the light goes through double slit (two tiny holes very close to each other) the result will be two "holes" of light on the wall on the other side, eventually bigger then slits due to "dispersion of light".

    But, the result of Young's experiment is something different, which many of real scientists from Young till today explained as the result of the light being the wave. Of course, there are others who will come with their lies, but as I told, just read about it or make an experiment yourselves.

    Double slit experiment is not about "the matter", but there're many other experiments, some can be done easily, which can prove that there's no such a thing as "matter" we have picture about it. Everything is in the motion, oscilating, vibrating, behaving as a wave. But, don't take anybody's word, just do it yourself.

    Even modern-atomists (most of the scientists) are telling that the atoms they're talking about are waves. It's interesting that the matter means some weight and the weight doesn't exist without some force. So, theoretically, in a system without forces (ie. vacuum) matter doesn't exist, because weight cannot be measured. This is where you're right, hansolo, if we take mind as waves, it's over the matter.

    Anyways, Matrix is a sihr as anything from Hollywood and Co. because it's ALWAYS mix of some truth and many lies. In Matrix some of truth is visualized for us to see it, but the lies are visualized also. We should not forget that even Moosa a.s., who had a great knowledge about many things, was scared of a sihr from pharaoh's magicians. It's best to avoid any sihr, even to think about it if there's no need. We can't get the knowledge/truth from a sihr, it's utopia for many of the people who're trying to take only the truth from it. The proof for this is Moosa a.s. again, Allah swt distroyed sihr and some of the people (including magicians) saw the Truth after that.

    Allah's bless and salam.

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      Rekkd
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      HP_TECH all you keep telling members is read the Quran. However, sharing knowledge, and asking questions leads people to a better understanding of anything in general not just the Quran.

      Another point is some members dont know Arabic so they will read translations according to the interpretations of the translator. Again the source is not 100% Quran since the translators opinion is considered.

      Moreover, some key words in the Quran can still be misunderstood. I still have this problem, when I read the word sala I remember the 5 prayers according to the sunni way. Sometimes its better to read, ask questions and share opinions simultaneously. The source should be the Quran and our views should be shared, accept what you feel is right and drop wtvr you feel is wrong.

      You keep going into a defensive mode when people are asking questions that dont flow well with your belief. I dont mind going aggressive or defensive if someone is attacking the Quran for no reason or accusing the Quran of being the source of all evil on earth without evidence or out of jealousy for not being able to believe. Like that cuck FaithnoMore or wtvr his name is.

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        ...you don't ask so many questions because you are inquisitive, you ask so many questions because you do not know the Quran.

        I also had this suspicion about hansolo.

        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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          hansolo
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          What about all this talk that the Quran understanding is wrong, because at some point of time enemies of God changed the meanings of words to deceive the masses about what the Book is really saying.

          For example, the word Swag was created by Shakespeare, however I can bet my school lunch that this word had a different meaning in the 17th century.

          Dont you think if they can deceive the entire world, that they live on a globe spinning over thousands of miles per/second and this ball is hanging in space. They wouldn't have tried to corrupt the understanding of Gods message to the humanity ?

          Wouldn't it be the most evil thing to do ? Yeah I think so...

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            Wakas
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            What about all this talk...

            Talk is cheap.

            Definition
            Evidence the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

            Speculation the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.

            For, most of them follow nothing but conjecture behold, conjecture can never be a substitute for truth. Verily, God has full knowledge of all that they do.

            And they have no knowledge thereof. They follow but a guess, and lo! a guess can never take the place of the truth.

            All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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              A_Submitter
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              Salam,

              I don't know how Matrix and Neo got into this. We can't all be Neo, because in the movies he's supposed to depict the image of majority Christians' Jesus; that he died for humanity's sins, just like Neo did in the movie, sacrificing himself...

              Then there is no real human superpowers; if we all could become Neo then we should also be able to fly and stop bullets.

              And remember, Matrix isn't everywhere, only God is everywhere! He encompasses everything. Praise be to God, Creator, Initiator, and Designer of all things peace

              Salam

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                HP_TECH
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                HP_TECH all you keep telling members is read the Quran.

                You say that as if it is a bad thing...

                Quran 4133 And who (is) better (in) speech than (one) who invites to Allah and does righteous (deeds) and says, "Indeed, I am of those who submit?"

                However, sharing knowledge, and asking questions leads people to a better understanding of anything in general not just the Quran.

                Quran 5101-102
                O you who believe! (Do) not ask about things if made clear to you, it may distress you and if you ask about it when the Quran is being revealed it would be made clear to you. Allah has pardoned it, and Allah (is) Oft-Forgiving, All-Forbearing.
                Indeed, asked them a people before you, then they became thereby disbelievers.

                What kind of better understanding does this topic have for you in establishing the prayer, giving the zakah, enjoining in the right and forbidding from the wrong?

                Fear Allah if you are a believer

                Another point is some members dont know Arabic so they will read translations according to the interpretations of the translator. Again the source is not 100% Quran since the translators opinion is considered.

                That's no excuse. Who says those are the only options for reading Quran. You should be asking for tools to study more efficiently rather than looking for quick responses from others you presume are experts or have some kind of insight.

                Word for word translations are your go to study tools/translations. These are projects from group efforts in which there are few errors here and there, but that is why I would use these tools in conjunction with lexicons, for those terms and definitions that convey multiple meanings

                1)http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=1&verse=1
                2)http//www.islamawakened.com/index.php/qur-an
                3)http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm

                Use them by all means they are free
                YOU TOO HANSOLO

                Moreover, some key words in the Quran can still be misunderstood. I still have this problem, when I read the word sala I remember the 5 prayers according to the sunni way. Sometimes its better to read, ask questions and share opinions simultaneously. The source should be the Quran and our views should be shared, accept what you feel is right and drop wtvr you feel is wrong.

                Same advice as above.
                In response to the red... The Lord's Truth is not that which you can accept if YOU FEEL is right or that which you can reject if YOU FEEL is wrong. Especially not when you are making those decisions based on views that are shared from others. No no no, the Truth from your Lord is evidenced in the Scripture itself (in its oft-repeating parts) and He Alone can guide you to the correct interpretation and understanding. For this patience and determination is required.

                7517-19
                Indeed, upon Us (is) its collection and its recitation.
                And when We have recited it, then follow its recitation.
                Then indeed, upon Us (is) its explanation.

                Who is the explanation due upon, I will ask you?
                Is it Hansolo? Is it Wakas? Is it me? Is it the collection of all the members put together in sharing views and opinions?

                No. It is due upon Allah. And although our Lord might have bestowed upon some of us understanding concerning a matter it may be that even if we convey it to you it will obscure you because unless Allah wills it you will not grasp a thing. Is it not better then to seek Allah's guidance concerning His Own Words when He is All-Able to seal your mind to the truth because you seek the help of men instead of His Help? Glorified is He! Allah, The Absolute, The Irresistible! Sustainer of all that exists!

                You keep going into a defensive mode when people are asking questions that dont flow well with your belief. I dont mind going aggressive or defensive if someone is attacking the Quran for no reason or accusing the Quran of being the source of all evil on earth without evidence or out of jealousy for not being able to believe. Like that cuck FaithnoMore or wtvr his name is.

                There is nothing defensive about my response. It is rather a warning, but none take heed of the warnings except those who turn 4013
                There is nothing aggressive about my words reminding people to read Quran and reminding them of the verses from their lord is aggressive and defensive? Really? Ponder over your response and words
                Your above comment is so irrelevant, and your assumptions of me is wrong... because what does the topic question have in relation to any beliefs exactly or beliefs that you presume I hold???

                I am only concerned about the pattern exhibited by this member who I would like to see refraining from a behavior that is not only detrimental to himself but as I am having now to explain in this 5 paragraph response to you, it is also potentially harmfully influential.
                Read the Quran

                Peace

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                  Furqan
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                  Salam

                  Q 4438-39
                  We have not created the heavens and the earth and all that is between them for sport/amusement.
                  We have created them for a al-Haq/reality/genuine purpose, but most people do not know.

                  Q 2117-18
                  Had We intended to take a diversion, We could have taken it from with Us - if We were to do so.
                  Rather, We dash the al-Haq/reality/truth upon falsehood, and it destroys it, and thereupon it departs. And for you is destruction from that which you ascribe.

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                    hawk99
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                    What about all this talk that the Quran understanding is wrong, because at some point of time enemies of God changed the meanings of words to deceive the masses about what the Book is really saying.

                    According to you what is the book really saying?

                    nope Go read the Quran
                    this analogy is totally unrealistic, inaccurate and not representative of reality.
                    Also Allah gives the best examples in the Quran
                    so again stop looking in media and forums for explanation and understanding look to Allah and His Words man...

                    I agree

                    This ayat speaks loud and clear and distinguishes those
                    who are true from those who seek to confound

                    5/7 He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book In it are verses basic
                    or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of
                    the Book others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity
                    follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching
                    for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except
                    Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say "We believe
                    in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord" and none will grasp the
                    Message except men of understanding.

                    @hansolo your threads below suggest to me that the bold above pertains to you
                    please prove me wrong!

                    Does anyone sing or rap here?! Seeking talents for a music project about God !

                    Did Matrix get it right ? We live in a Simulation? Double split experiement

                    We should be thankful to the Elite of the World !

                    Religionism = GOD = Santa Claus

                    Is Reincarnation true according to Quran? Check this website for analysis

                    Would you commit shirk if God told you so ?

                    Does All Mighty All Powerful God need our Worship?

                    hmm

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                      good_logic
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                      Peace brother.

                      These two verses tell you all you want to know
                      837
                      God will sift away the bad from the good, then pile the bad on top of each other, all in one pile, then throw it in Hell. Such are the losers.

                      838
                      Tell those who disbelieve if they stop, all their past will be forgiven. But if they return, they will incur the same fate as their previous counterparts.

                      No need to ask any more questions ,just start studying/reading/pondering... this amazing book.
                      GOD bless you.
                      Peace.

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                        reel
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                        Double slit experiment has way too many theories. We can never ever become Neo. Matrix is one of the twisted movies ever made. Agent Smith was actually the good guy.

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                          Man_of_Faith
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                          The philosophy behind Matrix is good to use as a parable to our current situation and condition even though it is mere fiction. We are to break loose from this world and then we are challenged if we try, the world becomes against us and we realize that the world worked to subdue us all this time while we were like sheep. Most everything is against us even alleged scriptures misleading us and if you happen to rally people with you these you can help as well. Quran contains a proper but encrypted message which has been delivered with a false rendition on top of it, kind of intentionally and determined even when it was made written. The false rendition is a joke and primitive driving people to degeneration. It was the plan from the start. There was never meant to be plain guidance but it was meant to be required quite some intelligence to make it through. The whatever seeming to be "plain guidance" is directly misleading. There is no plain guidance.

                          The world is a mind development environment where everything is being tested to their capabilities. There is active evaluation and filtering going on and those with results are chosen for release sequence but generally not without hard testing first. The world is interactive according to the "platform" which runs it and tests can come at any second and when you least expect it. Your mind must remain sharp at all times. The platform can behave maliciously towards you so be confident about your mental growth and even if its "voice" speaks to you do not always believe what it says (one example is when Abraham heard a voice to which he listened). Illogical sacrifice, whatever sacrifice it is, is outright wrong. Trust your logical ability.

                          Everything thrown at you is meant to try your intelligence and your sanity. Everything is meant to subdue, tranquilize and occupy your mind. Religious worship is one of those false occupational factors and there is no image of worship unless you worship everything around you and for which use? Is not what you worship as lowly as your own mind who places itself in a hierarchy under an imagined humanly king? It is too sad to laugh at it.

                          I have had those who have been close to understanding and who began to see what I have been teaching is right but who turned instead to mind-subdueing faith elements and one joined a sect. They mixed my teaching with delusion and superstition of the world just as the world was made for. They were affected by a foreign spirit who they let guide them forward and they listened to it more than me and started to challenge me. You would see that if you are contacted by a voice in your head you must be wary of it. Even if it is what you consider "God" it will seek to misguide you because it is your intelligence which is of the essence and which is tested. You cannot call "God" either good or evil in human terms for "God" is both in our desired perception. In fact good and evil are elusive terms. The word for evil generally means wrong or ignorant and actually means dark which word symbolizes one does something unconscious of what they are doing, because they are in the dark. Similar is true for its antonym. And "God" tests us very hard.

                          Be well
                          Amenuel

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                            Jafar
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                            The double slit experiment proves that our minds change the world around us. This information is awesome. Because in theory we can become like Neo in matrix, when we realize that Matrix is everywhere and that everything is made of ONE.

                            An interesting 'conclusion' regarding double slit experiment... although might not be 100% correct..

                            Double slit experiment..
                            https//youtu.be/p-MNSLsjjdo

                            It show's that the action of 'observing' can change the behavior of object (or particles) being observed..

                            While this experiment below shows that two particles can communicate with each others without any medium..
                            And it forces us to 'rethink' on "What is space and time?"

                            Quantum Entanglement Spooky Action from the Distance
                            https//youtu.be/tafGL02EUOA

                            The above principle shall drive the revolution of communication and computing in the next 30-50 years.

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                              truthseeker11
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                              Peace Jafar,

                              An interesting 'conclusion' regarding double slit experiment... although might not be 100% correct..

                              Double slit experiment..
                              https//youtu.be/p-MNSLsjjdo

                              It show's that the action of 'observing' can change the behavior of object (or particles) being observed..

                              Please also check out the fascinating delayed choice quantum eraser experiment, which confirms the findings of double slit experiment

                              https//m.youtube.com/watch?v=H6HLjpj4Nt4

                              Peace

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                                Jafar
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                                Peace Jafar,

                                Please also check out the fascinating delayed choice quantum eraser experiment, which confirms the findings of double slit experiment

                                https//m.youtube.com/watch?v=H6HLjpj4Nt4

                                Peace

                                Yes it shows the same results..

                                The experiment was performed on photons (plain english Light)
                                Photons doesn't experience any time and distance.
                                For a photon, while travelling on the speed of photon (light), time is always zero and distance is also zero. Here and there and now and then doesn't exist for them. Any manipulation to it's entangled pair at later time and at another place will effect the other pair at any time and at any place, since time and location doesn't exist for them.

                                And photon doesn't have any concept of 'individuality' given they have no concept of distance either.. collectively they will 'work together' to create either either clump or interference pattern as if one photon knows where does the other photons landed on the screen. Just like 'ocean wave' doesn't have any concept of individuality.. they will work together to create an ocean wave pattern on the ocean.

                                Has anyone performed the same "quantum eraser experiment" on electron? (or other non photon quantum particle)

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                                  Rekkd
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                                  You say that as if it is a bad thing...

                                  Quran 4133 And who (is) better (in) speech than (one) who invites to Allah and does righteous (deeds) and says, "Indeed, I am of those who submit?"

                                  Quran 5101-102
                                  O you who believe! (Do) not ask about things if made clear to you, it may distress you and if you ask about it when the Quran is being revealed it would be made clear to you. Allah has pardoned it, and Allah (is) Oft-Forgiving, All-Forbearing.
                                  Indeed, asked them a people before you, then they became thereby disbelievers.

                                  What kind of better understanding does this topic have for you in establishing the prayer, giving the zakah, enjoining in the right and forbidding from the wrong?

                                  Fear Allah if you are a believer

                                  That's no excuse. Who says those are the only options for reading Quran. You should be asking for tools to study more efficiently rather than looking for quick responses from others you presume are experts or have some kind of insight.

                                  Word for word translations are your go to study tools/translations. These are projects from group efforts in which there are few errors here and there, but that is why I would use these tools in conjunction with lexicons, for those terms and definitions that convey multiple meanings

                                  1)http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=1&verse=1
                                  2)http//www.islamawakened.com/index.php/qur-an
                                  3)http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm

                                  Use them by all means they are free
                                  YOU TOO HANSOLO

                                  Same advice as above.
                                  In response to the red... The Lord's Truth is not that which you can accept if YOU FEEL is right or that which you can reject if YOU FEEL is wrong. Especially not when you are making those decisions based on views that are shared from others. No no no, the Truth from your Lord is evidenced in the Scripture itself (in its oft-repeating parts) and He Alone can guide you to the correct interpretation and understanding. For this patience and determination is required.

                                  7517-19
                                  Indeed, upon Us (is) its collection and its recitation.
                                  And when We have recited it, then follow its recitation.
                                  Then indeed, upon Us (is) its explanation.

                                  Who is the explanation due upon, I will ask you?
                                  Is it Hansolo? Is it Wakas? Is it me? Is it the collection of all the members put together in sharing views and opinions?

                                  No. It is due upon Allah. And although our Lord might have bestowed upon some of us understanding concerning a matter it may be that even if we convey it to you it will obscure you because unless Allah wills it you will not grasp a thing. Is it not better then to seek Allah's guidance concerning His Own Words when He is All-Able to seal your mind to the truth because you seek the help of men instead of His Help? Glorified is He! Allah, The Absolute, The Irresistible! Sustainer of all that exists!

                                  There is nothing defensive about my response. It is rather a warning, but none take heed of the warnings except those who turn 4013
                                  There is nothing aggressive about my words reminding people to read Quran and reminding them of the verses from their lord is aggressive and defensive? Really? Ponder over your response and words
                                  Your above comment is so irrelevant, and your assumptions of me is wrong... because what does the topic question have in relation to any beliefs exactly or beliefs that you presume I hold???

                                  I am only concerned about the pattern exhibited by this member who I would like to see refraining from a behavior that is not only detrimental to himself but as I am having now to explain in this 5 paragraph response to you, it is also potentially harmfully influential.
                                  Read the Quran

                                  Peace

                                  Love how you keep twisting everything. I won't even try to explain anything since it's very clear it won't matter.

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