Verse 37:103

NK

Hi All,

Could anyone please explain the meaning of word in the following verse.

I had read somewhere in this forum that "tal" means pull/push. I checked Lane's dictionary but I couldn't find any example.

Could anyone help me.

This is the verse which unlock the meaning of the Prophet Abraham and Ishmael story. If somehow we established that "tal" means pull/push then it is very logical translation that he (Ibrahim) pulled him (his son) to his (Ibrahim's) forehead..

Salam.

huruf

Put him postrate, that is, made take the physical attitude of the person who aslama. That is they both aslama,submitted to God and Ibrahim did a physical expression of making his son submit to God.

Salaam

Mazhar

Thereat, when they both had submitted to the command; and when he had laid him down on side of the temple the part of each side of the head between the eye and the ear;

NK

So, what is the meaning of "tal"?.

Is it mean "to prostrate"?

I have found following in the Lane's dictionary

which means he gave or delivered the thing to him or he threw, or put thing into his hand.

What I understood "tal" means, to put, to lay down, hill etc.

imrankhawaja

question is what was the shape of sacrifice? or submission...

logically speaking i think, the submission was to inherit a new land in deserts of arabia.. so it was a test.. for a father to seperate his son from himself...

but what we see , the coming of isaac in the shape of good news and , ishmael was happy from his posting , i mean early form of posting... so he also submitted along with his father...

if both were submitted then its impossible that both will chop the necks of eachother... lol

1 somtimes we think something unpleasant , is infact good for us...
and sometimes we think something pleasant is really bad for us in reality...

2 and your kids are just a trial for this wordly life...

3 and we will surely test you by your kids/money/fear..

all three prominent verses are hint to the situation of abraham...

and in the end God said about abraham, we tested abraham in multiple ways and we found him always a submitting servant of us... i mean God praised abraham in nice manner... becoz abraham was an intelligent person and a man of reason from his early age...

huruf

ehre was no sacrifice at all and at no moment it is even hinted that Ibrahim thought he had to sacrifice his son. He asked his son what dd he think the dream meant. I that dream he sacrifices his son, just that4. God does not order such a thing to himneither in realiy nor in the dream.

So once he consulted his son he sonsaid that whatever it might mean he sure would be patient. So they did what allmuslims do, aslama, put hemselves in God's hands and submitted, THAT was th sacrifice, the sacrifice evry muslim must accet,because that is what islam means. Ibrahimacknowledges tht his son is God'sno his and that both are God's not themselves's.

Salaam

Wakas

peace NK,

I like your observation. It has already been discussed here
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=13069.msg273059#msg273059

I assume you know how to use corpus and PRL?
http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=37&verse=103#(371031)
http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm
= Ta-Lam-Lam = To lay down, let down, threw down, drop, lay prostrate, lay one down upon one's kin, neck, cheek, or breast.
Shake, move, agitate, put in state of motion or commotion, rough/severe/vehement.
Sluggish, laziness.
Charge, upbraid, deliver.

talla vb. (I) perf. act. 37103

Lane's Lexicon, Volume 1, pages 347, 348 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=tll

NK

Thanks WAKAS for your comment. If you understand URDU, I have written on different topics of Quran based on my limited knowledge. They are small booklets of few pages.

I like your PRL. It greatly help to understand the meaning of the Quran and reject the traditional translations. Keep up the good work.

Salam

Mazhar

Thanks WAKAS for your comment. If you understand URDU, I have written on different topics of Quran based on my limited knowledge. They are small booklets of few pages.

I like your PRL. It greatly help to understand the meaning of the Quran and reject the traditional translations. Keep up the good work.

Salam

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NK

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imrankhawaja

brother i just opened a link regarding jinnat ki haqeeqat...

i just want you to read this article then compare your understanding with this...

http//free-minds.org/who-are-jinn