Would you commit shirk if God told you so ?
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Not exactly, Reel. I have translated a substantial part of a certain main chapter. The whole understanding of Arabic needs to be reassessed, not only some mere words.
The real face of Quran speaks of something in very high contrast to the sectarian interpretation, and it does approve of association with allah and that it seems not to is due to linguistic misconception.
While people say my work is farfetched I see it farfetched to believe in whatever the secterian interpreation says due to how crappily the language is presented and how weak the language is. It took me only a few months when I finally got around to see for myself what the hell was wrong with it. The reason people are stuck with it is because they accept it the way it is and accept its dogmatic level.
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Not exactly, Reel. I have translated a substantial part of a certain main chapter. The whole understanding of Arabic needs to be reassessed, not only some mere words.
The real face of Quran speaks of something in very high contrast to the sectarian interpretation, and it does approve of association with allah and that it seems not to is due to linguistic misconception.
While people say my work is farfetched I see it farfetched to believe in whatever the secterian interpreation says due to how crappily the language is presented and how weak the language is. It took me only a few months when I finally got around to see for myself what the hell was wrong with it. The reason people are stuck with it is because they accept it the way it is and accept its dogmatic level.
How can you say it approves of association with Allah. Thats just crazy since the Quran clearly stated a million times not to associate anything with Allah.
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How can you say it approves of association with Allah. Thats just crazy since the Quran clearly stated a million times not to associate anything with Allah.
That is what you have been made to believe. But before each instance it uses which is erroneously interpreted as "not" while it does not mean that so this is clear issue.
The only word for negation is although it can be used in compounds at times.
But like I wrote, the issue is with the whole of Quran and its traditional interpretation could be equalled with nonsense. I wish people would understand what a joke it actually is.
People are led into meaningless worship of something they cannot understand. That is an instinct, but the instinct is referred to as Satan in Semitic languages. In reality "God" seeks associates and not mindless worshipers. The successful ones will be incorporated.
Be well
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you know what?
lets read chapter 112... the defination of God is there... and its enough to prepare an apparatus for the death of MOF claims regarding asociation... and in the end i will fit la in positve way the way he wanted .. and you guys will analyise by your own...
1121 Say, "He is God, the One,
1122 God is Absolutely Independent
1123 "He does not beget, nor was He begotten
1124 "None is equal to Him.( secterian lies according to MOF),,, interestingly the verses are not contradicting with each other in any sense.... all four
now its mof version of understanding when we dnt consider la as negetive or no
fasten you seat belts guys. and may God forgive me for this moment ... but anyway God knows whats inside my chest...
1121 Say, "He is God, the One,
1122 God is Absolutely Independent
1123 "He does beget, and he was begotten
1124 "everyone is equal to Him.1 now a first mistake is contraditing first two verses with last two = error
2 i did not see any son of God or father of God... atleast the followers of jesus claim he is the son of God in a sense godly person , for a moment consider him son of God,, but why no prophet claim till date that they are father of God... historical and logical error...
NOTE (in reality as per quran he was not a son of God he was a messenger and prophet same like others)
3 lack of care while introducing God specially the hardcore chapter of God oneness... did the author was not sure about it...hence the understanding of MOF regarding anyclaim = 0 when filter in the light of quran
may God bless him to right path ...
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Somewhere on the forum I presented a translation of chapter 112. Where do you find "he" in 1123? Have you even tried to interpret it yourself?
Say "He/she Who Is united
Is Who Is independent
Such for was to be begotten and such for is begotten
And such will he/she become into the unity."Quick translation on-the-fly which is not fluent in English but yet understandable for the witted.
The very short chapter describes the optimal person and his/her path. Allah is any subject in this life's test.
Be well
Amenuel -
I told you, you need to reinterpret the whole Quran to bring forth its true message or else you will obviously get inconsistency as you compare a sour apple with a sweet one.
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brother dnt bring he she it, they them , who , you inside it...
he lingually we used for male...
is God male ?
thats the problem , when somebody dnt have any answers they bring things like this... inside the discussion....which are very easy to tackle...
and moreover gender is not a discussion... skip the gender and even you skip the gender then look again what i represent ...
or show the translation what you are suggesting... but i already exposed your transaltion without using la
whatever grammer will use to pronoun God... it will just consider methphorically( he) does not indicate gender it indicate the metaphorical pronoun...
these things when you ask,, i remeber my niece when she was very young she used to ask these questions ...
but i hope you are not that young so that i will teach you pronouns...
lets talk what you claim and i represent.... simple is that....
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This MOF guy has been trolling people long enough. he is not a Muslimin nor a mu'min.
I patiently await for him to be permanently banned...
Unless he changes his ways then I will gladly overlook
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no you can say that he is a farmer... according to his weird lexicon...
becoz the one who disbeleif in verses of quran is kafir in arabic and according to MOF kaffir means farmer or deluded...
so its better if we let him live the way he thinks... there is no need to ban him...
the message of God is not a cup of tea tht everybody come and try to challange it..
there is a history behind the message of quran and not anybody till date fullfil that challange..... becoz at first there is not any mistake in quran,, thats what i beleive... mistake is in the interpretation or in understanding of people...
may b he is sincear but his mind is not mature/intelligent enough to understand... becoz when somebody ask childish questions like God is he or she its mean we need to understand .. he need care ...
although two three people in last five years i see who are partially agree with some of the understanding of MOF but they all are also the rejector of quran.. partially or fully... on other words only three four farmers are agree with mof...
now if we consider him as insightful person or prophet atleast he have three four followers...
one of them was athiest
one of them was ancient alien theorist..
one of them is somebody i beleive is from same id and bring questions everyday.... inspite of knowing the answers of questions very well... u can say that a small group of agenda of new age religion is started..and when our kids will read prophet amanuel discussions.. about new age at that time everybody will be claiming the new age religion is new version of religion inwhich anybody can be prophet, anybody can be God, or a portion of God..
i hope one day he will b as successful as other prophets are... if he is a real prophet ... otherwise he will be in a big trouble...
so dnt worry at all this is free mind place , let him and everybody claim whatever they want... and express whatever is in the heart of everybody... thats how everybody learn...
he is our brother after all ,, if we can tell him the difference between wrong and right its our duty...
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no you can say that he is a farmer... according to his weird lexicon...
becoz the one who disbeleif in verses of quran is kafir in arabic and according to MOF kaffir means farmer or deluded...
so its better if we let him live the way he thinks... there is no need to ban him...
the message of God is not a cup of tea tht everybody come and try to challange it..
there is a history behind the message of quran and not anybody till date fullfil that challange..... becoz at first there is not any mistake in quran,, thats what i beleive... mistake is in the interpretation or in understanding of people...
may b he is sincear but his mind is not mature/intelligent enough to understand... becoz when somebody ask childish questions like God is he or she its mean we need to understand .. he need care ...
although two three people in last five years i see who are partially agree with some of the understanding of MOF but they all are also the rejector of quran.. partially or fully... on other words only three four farmers are agree with mof...
now if we consider him as insightful person or prophet atleast he have three four followers...
one of them was athiest
one of them was ancient alien theorist..
one of them is somebody i beleive is from same id and bring questions everyday.... inspite of knowing the answers of questions very well... u can say that a small group of agenda of new age religion is started..and when our kids will read prophet amanuel discussions.. about new age at that time everybody will be claiming the new age religion is new version of religion inwhich anybody can be prophet, anybody can be God, or a portion of God..
i hope one day he will b as successful as other prophets are... if he is a real prophet ... otherwise he will be in a big trouble...
so dnt worry at all this is free mind place , let him and everybody claim whatever they want... and express whatever is in the heart of everybody... thats how everybody learn...
he is our brother after all ,, if we can tell him the difference between wrong and right its our duty...
I understand you, but he is not my brother.
He constantly ridicules the Verses of Allah with His made up translations and interpretations.
The reminder has come to me so I will no longer sit and speak with this one if he intends on continuing on insulting Quran and ridiculing Allah's pure Verses and making false claims about Allah.Everyone who has feared Allah and has forgotten about this reminder then join me in following the Command of Our Lord concerning Man Of Faith's excessiveness
Until I see him repent or change is repertoire I will not respond to this one
Quran 668 And when you see those who engage (in vain talks) about Our Verses, then turn away from them until they engage in a talk other than it. And if causes you to forget the Shaitaan, then (do) not sit after the reminder with the people - the wrongdoers.
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Peace HP_TECH, I agree with you except the banning part,
free-minds has an "ignore" feature which may be helpful.I must say I saw Mof developing.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607721.msg374698#msg374698
now if we consider him as insightful person or prophet at least he have three four followers...
i hope one day he will b as successful as other prophets are... if he is a real prophet ... otherwise he will be in a big trouble...What are you talking about? Mof is no prophet bro imrankhawaja nope
he is our brother after all ,, if we can tell him the difference between wrong and right its our duty...
uh no, please supply evidence from Quran wow
muscle
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now i realise why lot of people dnt want to make him understand...
i m such a fool i m wasting my time to prove his logics wrong just to make him understand and hope he will revise his thinking but what i see.. all my efforts are in vain , but at least i played my part .. i still consider him my brother and wish for him. that may God guide him on right path..
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What are you talking about? Mof is no prophet bro imrankhawaja nope
according to rules and laws he is not a prophet...
but according to his own deluded and imaginary mind he is the insightful person...
an insightful person who is ready to declare original prophet imposter...and war lord
a person who is ready to claim the association with God is ok actually he did already... he is a piece of God...
a person who also once see God in his house... and i still dnt understand why moses cannot see rotfllot more things and his claims indicate that he is the insightful person and insightful perosn mean prophet... according to him
uh no, please supply evidence from Quran wow
muscle
unfortunatly i havnt got the copy of interpretation from him yet...
he is working on it.. and from last two years not even a single line he show from his work..so you need to wait for the original interpretation of quran by prophet ammanuel...
lets see when that project will finish...or may be we lucky enough if he show us a little bit part of it.. apart from portion/share of God...
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That is what you have been made to believe. But before each instance it uses which is erroneously interpreted as "not" while it does not mean that so this is clear issue.
The only word for negation is although it can be used in compounds at times.
But like I wrote, the issue is with the whole of Quran and its traditional interpretation could be equalled with nonsense. I wish people would understand what a joke it actually is.
People are led into meaningless worship of something they cannot understand. That is an instinct, but the instinct is referred to as Satan in Semitic languages. In reality "God" seeks associates and not mindless worshipers. The successful ones will be incorporated.
Be well
AmenuelBrother, but don't you think you are applying traditionalists' style to explain your concepts? You write a lot, but without using Quran verses as your premises. I don't think it is helping. In fact, in the end, it starts to look this
We have undoubtedly sent down the Reminder, and We will truly preserve it. (Al-Qur'an, Surah
al-Hijr, 159)
The above promise made by Allah is obviously fulfilled in the undisputed purity of the Qur'anic text
throughout the fourteen centuries since its revelation. However, what is often forgotten by many
Muslims is that the above divine promise also includes, by necessity, the Sunnah of the Prophet
Muhammad (may Allah bless him and grant him peace), for it is the practical example of the
implementation of the Qur'anic guidance, the Wisdom taught to the Prophet (may Allah bless him and
grant him peace) along with the Scripture, and neither the Qur'an nor the Sunnah can be understood
correctly without recourse to the other.
http//www.justislam.co.uk/images/An%20Introduction%20to%20the%20Science%20of%20Hadith.pdf
I don't think it is difficult for anyone here to figure out what is wrong with the writing above. -
Imran,
You seem to lack the intelligence to understand that my interpretation is available if you simply were interested to find it as within a few clicks you are at it and that is not "ad hominem" but purely an inference based on your constantly half-witted replies. It is not in my obligation to show people who are not ready mentally and not forethoughtful enough to consider it. People like you can well live in your delusion if you insist so unfriendly about it which the one you worship intentionally imposed on you and it does not affect me at all nor my Rabb within me. The reason I am still doing it for people like you is because I care and would not like to see anyone fail the test, but if this is not for you there is no reason for you to interact with me.
In chapter 112 of which we spoke, is a grammatical form of and not some nonexistent form of negation. occurs frequently in the Arabic just as does. And and is prefix for , and in Arabic grammar rules a sole letter cannot stand alone except in some cases such as the introduction to certain chapters where they act as symbolic hints and there the letter is read as a word as in ancient times, i.e. you read the whole name of the letter as a word.
is not used in the chapter, but you perhaps do not know Arabic and did just look into translations. For your information, is a particular form of . There is a remnant of this in today's Spanish which also uses El and La for various sentences. Even in French it lives to this day. And it does not mean 'no'.
is a way of saying no in many languages throughout the world when seeing to their archaic use. Even ancient Farsi/Persian used 'ma' to say no. The Greeks did. It is also the way of saying no in authentic Arabic.
With your attitude a teacher would not be interested in teaching you and this teacher has no obligation to teach you either as it is voluntary for you. But since you do not consider this a true teaching you might as well spend your time on something else which will improve your character. I would say you waste your time if you are not genuinely interested and you waste my time while I am looking for interested, open-minded and receptive people. I am teaching with the authority of knowing my subject and whoever hearkens does it because they have a mind for it.
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there is a history behind the message of quran and not anybody till date fullfil that challange..... becoz at first there is not any mistake in quran,, thats what i beleive... mistake is in the interpretation or in understanding of people...
In case you have not realized it this is what I am arguing. There is no mistake in Quran except how people interpret/understand it. And that misinterpretation is grossly misleading.
But people have worsened the corruption by adding non-native diacritics and even changed words in it as is evident from the manuscripts of Sana'a. These people formed the interpretation as according to themselves and I am curious of how truly interested they were in getting to know what it really said.
What you accuse me of doing someone else already took care of in the past.
If wise you would do the work I am committed to right now and perhaps learn what I have learned so far.
None of the Semitic languages retain their original shape to this day and it has been in the hands of clergymen.
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Peace Man Of Faith.
What you are saying hereBut people have worsened the corruption by adding non-native diacritics and even changed words in it as is evident from the manuscripts of Sana'a. These people formed the interpretation as according to themselves and I am curious of how truly interested they were in getting to know what it really said.
This does not make sense!!! You are saying "Shayatin " have taken control of Qoran.
Have you studied interlock? See how GOD guards Qoran!!! Impossible to corrupt what GOD has guarded even if they add or take away!!!!.
Basically, if you look back at most of your posts, you are contradicting what Qoran is saying.
But like often, you will answer,justifying what you are saying by mere talk. No evidence seen from you yet?
Anyway,just advising you brother to study Qoran properly,instead of trying to invent a new Arabic language.
But it is your choice.
GOD bless you.
Peace.