What is your "IDEAL" afterlife would be like ?

Man_of_Faith

Tsk. Murdered because he draws an accurate picture of how it will be as according to Islam quite literally in the sectarian interpretation of Quran.

imrankhawaja

28 And from the people are those who say "We believe in God and in the Last Day," but they are not believers.
29 They seek to deceive God and those who acknowledge, but they only deceive themselves without noticing.
210 In their hearts is a disease, so God increases their disease, and they will have a painful retribution for what they have denied.
211 And when they are told, "Do not spread corruption on earth," they answer, "We are but improving things!"
212 No, they are the evildoers, but they do not perceive.
213 And if they are told "Believe, as the people have believed," they say "Shall we believe like the foolish have believed?" No, they are the foolish but they do not know.

defination of hypocrate kaffir... according to quran... kaffir usually show his colors by his actions...

apart from this,, a wise person respect every religion , even if they claim monkey can b god... still a beleiver respect his feelings...

i condemn what happen to that person.. but he was just playing with fire when he already know there are people who are emotional , so he just invite his own death by painting all this...

opposite side of coin his family members were wishing alas he never made this so he would be alive today...

now instead of getting lesson from this incident people like MOF just showing their true nature by critising Quran again and again without any proof...

i think last day was right he is deluded in his ego so much and shamelessly blame/critise quran without any proof... in every thread...

although i exposed him plantey of times...
but here is another appraoch again,,, if he find the portrait got any relevance with teaching of quran i would be happy atleast he is bringing proof inside his discussion...

i decided not to talk with him... two days ago, but its really difficult sometimes to ignore some people who continously utter nonsense about quran without any proof...

Jafar

i condemn what happen to that person.. but he was just playing with fire when he already know there are people who are emotional , so he just invite his own death by painting all this...

And so does Abraham when he destroyed multitude of idols..
Infact he was convicted with death by fire..

And so does Jesus when he condemned the Rabbis...
And he was convicted with death by crucifixion..

Religious people shows a consistent attitude throughout the ages..

imrankhawaja

And so does Abraham when he destroyed multitude of idols..
Infact he was convicted with death by fire..

And so does Jesus when he condemned the Rabbis...
And he was convicted with death by crucifixion..

Religious people shows a consistent attitude throughout the ages..

when you put your hand in fire , it will burn you...
when you put your hand in fire with gloves fireproof , fire will not harm you...
when you fire a fire to making fire everything eventually your own house will also get burn with that fire...

first need to understand what type of fire and what purpose of fire somebody creating...

whats common in abraham/jesus and this person... who get killed...
are both parties are making fun of God?

Jafar

whats common in abraham/jesus and this person... who get killed...
are both parties are making fun of God?

Yes..
Abe and this person, both are considered to be blasphemous of religion of their respective society..
Abe was (considered) blasphemous towards the Mesopotamian religion (cult of Marduk et al) this person was (considered) blasphemous towards Islam religion (cult of Allah, Hadiths, Quran etc..).
And Jesus was (considered) blasphemous towards Judaism (cult of Torah, Rabbis, Sabbath et. al.)

imrankhawaja

Yes..
Abe and this person, both are considered to be blasphemous of religion of their respective society..
Abe was (considered) blasphemous towards the Mesopotamian religion (cult of Marduk et al) this person was (considered) blasphemous towards Islam religion (cult of Allah, Hadiths, Quran etc..).
And Jesus was (considered) blasphemous towards Judaism (cult of Torah, Rabbis, Sabbath et. al.)

allright so he was prophet too ,,, the person who get killed and he recieve revelation to do like this from God... isnt it... !

Man_of_Faith

I am not criticizing Quran though, only the misleading clerical interpretation of it. And imran has perhaps proven me wrong or exposed me in his opinion, but for the intelligent person they would see the sense in what I am saying due to logic which is usually missing in religious people.

We can just exclude Quran for a while and just speak plain logic regarding things. It is impossible to make sense of the common god perception. I mean, keeping a "pet farm" which has no useful produce, what kind of superior being would opt for that?

You can utterly crush the arguments of the usual god perception through examining it by logic and no Quran would be necessary which available interpretation is not useful anyway.

imrankhawaja

my brother, i respect you as a person,,, i did not prove you wrong , but your theories when there is no evidence in hand...

its not personal, even if you are athiest , i still consider it as its your understanding of learning things...and it wont affect a human relationship with you or anybody ...

but whenever you see any negetive thing you suddenly point your gun to quran...

did quran not said killing one human= killing whole humanity...?

so if somebody killed somebody due to ignorance is it fair to blame quran for this... atleast if you are really a peacemaker then you should apply a positive attitute that will give society benefit instead of harm..

Jafar

allright so he was prophet too ,,, the person who get killed and he recieve revelation to do like this from God... isnt it... !

Does it matter?
Perhaps he is, perhaps he is not.. in any case he doesn't deserved to be murdered..
One thing for sure, that dude, Jesus, Abe and millions of other people are victims of an injustice..

It has been 3000-3500 years passed since the time of Abe and Lot walked upon earth and

Human hasn't evolved to become much wiser, especially in the region where Abe and Lot once lived..
Religious people are still very fanatically religious
Idolatry is still abound... in many different form, books, ideology, dead people...
Human sacrifice still exist.. in somewhat different form; suicide bomber, jihadist..
Hypocrisy level still very much the same...

imrankhawaja

Does it matter?
Perhaps he is, perhaps he is not.. in any case he doesn't deserved to be murdered..
One thing for sure, that dude, Jesus, Abe and millions of other people are victims of an injustice..

It has been 3000-3500 years passed since the time of Abe and Lot walked upon earth and

Human hasn't evolved to become much wiser, especially in the region where Abe and Lot once lived..
Religious people are still very fanatically religious
Idolatry is still abound... in many different form, books, ideology, dead people...
Human sacrifice still exist.. in somewhat different form; suicide bomber, jihadist..
Hypocrisy level still very much the same...

becoz thats what the life is... thats how it run...

most of the people always ignore important messages and wise things...

to b good is difficult for people...

whenever a person get killed, first thing religious base or law base say eye for an eye , life for life...

in this way the tribal areas have enemity from generation to generation... its insane,, if they look at the very next part , there is another option which will stop more trouble for both parties and its ransom but the human ego always think its shame or defeat to take ransom... so we must kill them, and then cross killing continue untill generations...

about this guy i feel bad , nobody should get killed for the sin he never did...
there is not only this guy lot of other examples are also there... a recent example of salman taseer

but problem is not with scriptures problem is with teaching and brain washing of people... everybody is responsible for their actions,

but what i try to say... there is no need of playing with fire when we know it can burn us ... when we drive a car we advised to fasten our seat belts...

Man_of_Faith

Evidence? I hand you evidence every time and usually more than one argument.

For you to verify it requires some own independent research though or it stands word against word. It is fully possible for anyone other than me to accomplish what I have done though and I am not unique in that. But nevertheless I was the one who began to question Quran utterly and that was foretold in prophecies already from the past, even before the compilation of Quran with between 500-1000 years.

You should know humans are not so free in their thinking as they would care to say and it fools them. You cannot believe that the corruption is so systematic as it is and this is your main problem and which causes you to be deluded. If you would open your mind it goes quite fast to realize the Quran has severe problems related to its interpretation. And let us say the interpretation would have been correct then it would be a a false invented scripture due to its primitive nature. It amazes me that no one sees it is just something full of mumbo-jumbo and you can easily utilize logic to expose and make it fall, such as I have done already, take the "pet farm" you are looking forward so much to as an example.

Be well
Amenuel