Since the Quran "confirms" prior scriptures, why is the writing style so dif....
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@ mof you most of the times talk about logics and philosphy... in that you sometimes claims that there is an interpretion error.. i sometimes disagree with some of ur claims due to the confusion of language mix with logics... obviously you can also do mistakes understanding the language beecoz same like me arabic is not your native language i think...
Not being a native speaker can even be an advantage in this case, I do not take "my" language for granted. I could make mistakes, but I am also extensively studying the language to decipher it. The present Arabic in the world is not a correct Arabic and it is the product of conjecture. These people are not even pronouncing the language as it should, doing it very sloppily. For example, you do not say Ar-rahman, but you should properly pronounce it AL-Rahaman. Every letter in the language is important in this type of language since every letter carries a meaning. Furthermore the language is supposed to be more lively with proper vowels that become generated when you pronounce the letters in sequence as they should.
English is not my native language and yet I master it fairly well. I have learned it. Same with Arabic, I am not a native speaker of the language, but I am learning it and relatively skilled at it too, particularly I am skilled at knowing its true shape. Perhaps easier for me to learn English because it is nearer in shape to my native language, but it is still spoken differently in many cases.
But Arabic (of Quran) is a very exacting language and I am amazed of how much information it can convey using few letters. Its nature is quite basic yet it can be so sophisticated due to the simplicity of how it is constructed.
Be well
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@ mof you most of the times talk about logics and philosphy... in that you sometimes claims that there is an interpretion error.. i sometimes disagree with some of ur claims due to the confusion of language mix with logics... obviously you can also do mistakes understanding the language beecoz same like me arabic is not your native language i think...
Bro, if we want to uphold it then we also have to conclude that someone whose mother tongue is not English has the potential to get Pride and Prejudice wrong.
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Bro, if we want to uphold it then we also have to conclude that someone whose mother tongue is not English has the potential to get Pride and Prejudice wrong.
its not about interpretation... its about two arabic native speakers... i mean we need interpretation but when two arabic talk on issues compared to lexicon ... for example.. tele vision mean... far view wordly meanings...
can i use a word i bring a far view in my home
so thats what i was on about ... read above in my post what i said in my post before quoating him....
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The Qur'an confirms all prior revelations of the world, no just of the middle eas or semitic. It does confirm that God sen warners to every people and God does not change His laws or His teachings. All revelation is confirmed.
However we do know and have experienced that as soon as somehing comes io the hands of humans, somme of these will wiher unknowingly or intetionnally change it to suit their own worldly pursuits. I has happenned to all of them. But in all of them also, if we have he proper ligh we may find inspiring words which are the original revelation, in a matrix of other straneous human contrived words.
That hs also been done wih the Qur'an, but not changing the text but rather burying it under superimposed interpretations. So with the original Araic Qur'an we ca always, if we ake he rouble, go beyond he human inerpretations superimposed on it and find out the real,pure, untainted revelation, just as pure as we are pure in our approach.
Salaam
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The Qur'an confirms all prior revelations of the world, no just of the middle eas or semitic. It does confirm that God sen warners to every people and God does not change His laws or His teachings. All revelation is confirmed.
However we do know and have experienced that as soon as somehing comes io the hands of humans, somme of these will wiher unknowingly or intetionnally change it to suit their own worldly pursuits. I has happenned to all of them. But in all of them also, if we have he proper ligh we may find inspiring words which are the original revelation, in a matrix of other straneous human contrived words.
That hs also been done wih the Qur'an, but not changing the text but rather burying it under superimposed interpretations. So with the original Araic Qur'an we ca always, if we ake he rouble, go beyond he human inerpretations superimposed on it and find out the real,pure, untainted revelation, just as pure as we are pure in our approach.
Salaam
Salaam alaykum,
theese are the words of a man with understanding.
may Allah bless you with even more
salaam wa barakallah
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The Qur'an confirms all prior revelations of the world, no just of the middle eas or semitic. It does confirm that God sen warners to every people and God does not change His laws or His teachings. All revelation is confirmed.
However we do know and have experienced that as soon as somehing comes io the hands of humans, somme of these will wiher unknowingly or intetionnally change it to suit their own worldly pursuits. I has happenned to all of them. But in all of them also, if we have he proper ligh we may find inspiring words which are the original revelation, in a matrix of other straneous human contrived words.
That hs also been done wih the Qur'an, but not changing the text but rather burying it under superimposed interpretations. So with the original Araic Qur'an we ca always, if we ake he rouble, go beyond he human inerpretations superimposed on it and find out the real,pure, untainted revelation, just as pure as we are pure in our approach.
Salaam
That's what someone said on a forum in 2016.
But this is what the Messias, son of Mary, Jesus said about a Book that was revealed in the time of Moses
An English translation of the Gospel - Matthew 518 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
So I highly advice people not to listen to people who say "there is no original 'scripture' anymore". Yes, there is a lot of struggling, but hey, if you found out once, that you should avoid every sect, it would be really stupid to to bounce your head on a rock for the second time right?! There is no struggle anymore when you know that you are not willing to listen to any sects that use the Scriptures to justify their doctrines.
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It was narrated that h. 'Ali a.s. said to Muawiya's people, when they were discussing with the Qur'an What I don't know, Allah doesn't know.
If we take these words alone, most of the people could think that he said some horrible. I won't discuss if this narration is truth, but it can be an example of what I wanna say.People are associating names to the things without prior needed knowledge. So, for example, some kid can name some things which only adults can know about, and it will be by default associated woth something understandable to kid. If we wrongly associate some name with something (which exists or not) it's very hard to change it, so we should strive to know about things before we name them.
If somebody's talking about Injeel and take it as Gospels, they should ask if it's correct. There're many of reasons for questioning ourselves if we're doing this, but I'll tell one if someone has intention to kill a believer and he done so, then his punishment is Hell forever.
I'm not saying that all of what is called Bible is correct or not, no compulsion in 'iman.
Allah's bless and selam.
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It was narrated that h. 'Ali a.s. said to Muawiya's people, when they were discussing with the Qur'an What I don't know, Allah doesn't know.
If we take these words alone, most of the people could think that he said some horrible. I won't discuss if this narration is truth, but it can be an example of what I wanna say.People are associating names to the things without prior needed knowledge. So, for example, some kid can name some things which only adults can know about, and it will be by default associated woth something understandable to kid. If we wrongly associate some name with something (which exists or not) it's very hard to change it, so we should strive to know about things before we name them.
If somebody's talking about Injeel and take it as Gospels, they should ask if it's correct. There're many of reasons for questioning ourselves if we're doing this, but I'll tell one if someone has intention to kill a believer and he done so, then his punishment is Hell forever.
I'm not saying that all of what is called Bible is correct or not, no compulsion in 'iman.
Allah's bless and selam.
Peace
Kindly I say unto you, I agree but instead of this hadith brother you could have instead cited Al-Quran 1018, 1333
1018 And they worship other than Allah that (which) (does) not harm them and not benefit them, and they say, "These (are) our intercessors with Allah." Say, "Do you inform Allah of what He does not know in the heavens and not in the earth?" Glorified is He and Exalted above what they associate (with Him).
1333 Is then He Who (is) a Maintainer of every soul for what it has earned? Yet they ascribe to Allah partners. Say, "Name them. Or (do) you inform Him of what not He knows in the earth or of the apparent of the words?" Nay, (is) made fair-seeming to those who disbelieve their plotting, and they are hindered from the Path. And whoever Allah lets go astray then not for him any guide.
Allah is The Origin, Source of Knowledge so Knowledge in His respect is different than what is ascribed to the creation. Allah's 'Ilm of a thing indicates its existence in actuality. If Allah Knows a matter it is because it is part of the Existing Manifest Truth of His Design. Whatever He does not Know is an invented falsehood. He's indeed All-Aware, All-Wise.
PS dear readers if you are paying attention notice how the foundations of This Book are emphasized through oft-repeating parts or al-mathani as always 1587 3923.
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What 'Ali said to them with his words was you're liars, Allah didn't say that (I don't know for that and I know all of Kitab, so Allah doesn't know that, it's a lie). Narration wasn't important, what I wanted to say was we shouldn't talk without the knowledge about "what author/owner said".
Unless we can recognize some "scripture" as Injeel Qur'an is talking about, we shouldn't name anything by that name, especially not writings of anonymous or a killer of believers. Allah's Words are clear and signed. We shouldn't name anything else we don't know, nor we should name anything by the name which we don't understand.
I'm sure that there're "People of Injeel" and I'm sure that they can be recognized.
Allah's bless and selam.
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What 'Ali said to them with his words was you're liars, Allah didn't say that (I don't know for that and I know all of Kitab, so Allah doesn't know that, it's a lie). Narration wasn't important, what I wanted to say was we shouldn't talk without the knowledge about "what author/owner said".
Unless we can recognize some "scripture" as Injeel Qur'an is talking about, we shouldn't name anything by that name, especially not writings of anonymous or a killer of believers. Allah's Words are clear and signed. We shouldn't name anything else we don't know, nor we should name anything by the name which we don't understand.
I'm sure that there're "People of Injeel" and I'm sure that they can be recognized.
Allah's bless and selam.
Peace brother
I concur entirely. I find many and I many verses in Bible contradicting the fundamental principles of monotheism, many verses in which enormities are written and lies against prophets and the Most High Himself! In fact, take a look at this thread
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608817.0Sorry I went off-topic but I am just a bit fixated with using examples and evidence from Al-Quran.
Blessings and Tranquility upon you
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Peace,
Bible that we have today is s beautiful book. With the Quran it seems nicer in Montenegrin (Bosnian..... it's all the same language)than in English. To me that Is.
Now, after reading both Quran and the Bible, I have noticed a very different writing style. Now, the Quran confirms those prior scriptures.
So if it's all from same God, why is the writing style so different?
Quran is word of God, Bible is Book of God. Jesus was the word of God and God talked to Moses. Different revelation styles. Np wprd of God came to Jesus, he was born with it. Moses talked to God . The word of God came to Muhammad by the Quran.