Origin of Qur'anic names
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Most of the people will claim that Qur'anic lisan is Arabic language, which is a lie.
But, when ignorant ones and/or liars are using lies as their belief or to try to prove anything they'll get confused. Then, they'll get the theory about new lie for which they'll think it can fix their problems in belief and/or in proving something. This is very tough and bad situation (hal) and probably most of us experienced it. May Allah swt saves us from this in the future and in the present and forgives us what we err.
So when someone does not share your views he/she is a lair/ignorant ?
Anyways, confusion/lie about Arabic language is Qur'anic lisan can be disproved by simply asking how come many of Qur'anic words/names were/are unknown to Arabians, from revalation of the Qur'an till nowadays? Those who gone astray will accept excuses of "experts" in different disciplines amongs kadhiboon and fasiqoon, and liars will just repeat their lies.
Most of your posts are influenced by "experts", what does this say about you?
These people will claim, and many of others will believe, that 'Ibrahim's a.s. name was Abraham or some else, for example. Then they'll claim that 'Ibrahim is just translation of that name to Arabic language. I'm asking can you write Abraham in Arabic?
Yes I can
So, my dear brother believers and my ewliya' amongs believing women, I hope that you'll know, if you don't, that all the names (or names of all the things) are 'ind-Allahi. Allah swt tought Adem a.s. all of them. Then He asked el-mela'ikeh to explain to Him with the names of ha'ulai'. This word seems as something "live", don't you think?
Allah's bless and selam.
RED I did not understand this part.
Allah taught Adam the names of Ibrahim, Musa, etc then he asked el-mela'ikeh to explain Him with the names of ha'ulai'???
Can you explain a bit further, cause I have no idea what you are saying. -
So when someone does not share your views he/she is a lair/ignorant ?
No, that person has different views then mine and we both can be/are wrong.
If you read my signature maybe you'll figure it out.Most of your posts are influenced by "experts", what does this say about you?
This should say that there're no experts in any field, including me.
Yes I can
Then, if it's possible to write it in Arabic, can you think about this, please... Why Abraham (or any other name which can be written in Arabic language) had to be written in "arabic form" as a name Arabs haven't used for their children and name (word) which is unknown to Arabs?
This "knowledge" came to the people from "experts" (maybe you'll understand now) in "semitic languages". If you just check who were these people maybe you'll know... So, I claim that 'Ibrahim was the name of Allah's messenger, not Abraham or any other name. 'Ibrahim is not derived from any other language, it's not translation.
RED I did not understand this part.
Allah taught Adam the names of Ibrahim, Musa, etc then he asked el-mela'ikeh to explain Him with the names of ha'ulai'???
Can you explain a bit further, cause I have no idea what you are saying.Not just names of 'Ibrahim and Moosa a.s., Allah swt tought him all the names (the names of all). But, when Allah swt talked to el-mela'ikeh He used ha'ulai'. I thought it can be useful if we think about this word and maybe it can tell us more about the names, about the Qur'anic lisan and Allah swt knows about what else.
Allah's bless and selam.
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Re 2)
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=8177.0Most of the people will claim that Qur'anic lisan is Arabic language, which is a lie.
Please provide evidence for your above claim (i.e. Quranic lisan is NOT Arabic).
In your reply you should also include an answer to the verses stating it is in Arabic, e.g.
http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=Erb#(1224) -
Language of Grand http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/07.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Sura%20009/7.%20Arbi%20Ain%20Ra%20Ba%20language/4.gif
It is a noun termed as Relative Adjective . It is a noun having a consonant "Yaa- " suffixed to its ending which indicates its relation to the noun from which it is derived. Thus, a unique feature of this language is that it defines the identity of its own people the language of the sons of soil of Arabian peninsula; the language of the land that hosts the "House of Allah" on the Earth; and the universal leader of humanity, the Last Messenger of Allah the Exalted, Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam. This was the first language employed for teaching the First Man; and lately for the final teaching of knowledge and wisdom to the humanity universally through the ONLY teacher in timeline Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam.
Language of Grand Qur'aan
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Maybe you haven't read ayat 1997 and/or maybe you haven't thought about it.
To understand what means maybe we should read and think about 1337.
If you take as noun and not as adjective maybe you should think about it.Is translation form to in 4144?
Who are "those with 'aql" in 433?Lisan which is is the same lisan of Muhammed Mustafa sawa, as I told before. It was never said that it's same lisan as any other Arab used. But it's lisan those who can "read" it as in the first statement revealed can 'aql about it. To "read" it we should do it with the Name of the Rabb, Who created. If we're not doing so we can know all the human's languages but we won't understand a single harf from the Qur'an. If we do so we don't need any of human's languages to understand it.
"To read" it doesn't mean to read letters written somewhere, as you probably know. I cannot guide you to it, just "read" it as we were ordered to.Is Lisan and Lughat same? Why is Arabic language Lughat?
Anyways, this was off-topic, because the topic is "what is origin of Qur'anic names", as 'Ibrahim for example.
I don't see you're "reading" the Qur'an because you're not of those with 'aql. Those with 'aql will ask themselves "what is in 231?" and what was all about this event, the first story told in the Qur'an, when we start reading it from its first surah.I hope you will think about this word, which contains all of the knowledge from the Qur'an, as any other of its words. I hope you'll be able to see 'Ibrahim a.s. walking and talking, and you'll see his Rabb and our Rabb coming with the Sun next time you see the Sun.
Allah's bless and selam.
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If you take as noun and not as adjective maybe you should think about it.
I had written
It is a noun termed as Relative Adjective . It is a noun having a consonant "Yaa- " suffixed to its ending which indicates its relation to the noun from which it is derived.
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Re 2)
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=8177.0Please provide evidence for your above claim (i.e. Quranic lisan is NOT Arabic).
In your reply you should also include an answer to the verses stating it is in Arabic, e.g.
http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=Erb#(1224)Even I answered to you and Mazhar in my previous post, I'll answer you again, just in case you can't understand what I wrote.
You forgot a word in your "i.e." and the word is "language" after "Arabic". Please inform us about the words "Arabic language" in Arabic language. Then, please tell us is the word for "language" you used "lisan". Then, can you explain what is the difference between word you used and "lisan". Then please explain what is "Arabic" in "Arabic language", then what is "Arab" in "Arabic", then compare these with used as adjective to "lisan".
If you can put the sign "=" between all of them, then I made a mistake. I can make a mistake, but there's no mistake in what Allah swt told us.
Allah's bless and selam.
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I had written
It is a noun termed as Relative Adjective . It is a noun having a consonant "Yaa- " suffixed to its ending which indicates its relation to the noun from which it is derived.
Dear brother, this is ok for any language we're using for our conversation. We can take anything as anything else if it can help us to understand each other. If you check if there's any ayat where this word was used as noun (and not as adjective) then your science guessed good, but it isn't. This is still off-topic, but please just think where from you got the information that any of Arabs (besides Muhammed Mustafa sawa) used Qur'anic lisan as its own. And think about lisan and lughat.
Allah's bless and selam.
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Dear brother, this is ok for any language we're using for our conversation. We can take anything as anything else if it can help us to understand each other. If you check if there's any ayat where this word was used as noun (and not as adjective) then your science guessed good, but it isn't. This is still off-topic, but please just think where from you got the information that any of Arabs (besides Muhammed Mustafa sawa) used Qur'anic lisan as its own. And think about lisan and lughat.
Allah's bless and selam.
You keep dancing but with strange steps. Earlier you said it is not noun but adjective. When I said that I have already stated what type of noun is it, i.e. relative adjective, I got this nonsense from you.
Arabic has only three parts of speech. Adjectives are included in the category of noun.
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I never said that it's not adjective (it's noun), because it's adjective. You called it noun and I asked for 1 single ayat where it was used as a noun.
What I said is that all of them are "names" in Qur'anic lisan and Arabic lughat also, so it's hard to the people to name them in relation to how they're called in other languages.
Adjectives are not included in category of noun, they're both in category of "names". Check your science.
Nouns and adjectives are not same, in any language.But, anyways, we should discuss this (even there's no need for that) in some other topic. This should be only about the origin of Qur'anic names, such as 'Ibrahim.
Allah's bless and selam.
