What makes food Halal?
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I am ignoring what? Your copy-pasted verses irrelevant to what I was saying?
Feel free to ignore though, that is up to you. I am also ignoring people from right to left these days. People can be tiresome at times and I understand you.
However, if you feel like replying you can explain how you can motivate that the Biblical Gospels can be considered guidance from the perspective of the sectarian interpretation of Quran? There is much to reconcile.
Be well
AmenuelThe point is, if you ignore and reject the whole of the Gospel, Psalms and Torah then what does it matter if i do? If the word of God can't guide you, because you reject and ignore it, then who am i to guide you? I myself am in need of the guidance of our Lord also. So may the Lord guide you, and may the Lord guide me. He alone can guide.
From the perspective of the sectarian interpretation of the Quran? Are you kidding me? So it's me who is an sectarian now? Well good, then good luck with your interpretation. Why would you ask anyways for an "sectarian" interpretation and reject the Gospel?
Anyways, don't stand in my way. It's not the first, second or third time that i talked with you about this subject. And who can convince you if you do not even accept the Word?
Again An English translation of the Quran - 547 And let the people of the Gospel judge with what God has sent down in it. And whoever does not judge with what God has sent down, then these are the wicked.
So let me judge with the Gospel.
An English translation of the Gospel - Luke 44 ?And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.?
An English translation of the Quran - 355 Thus, GOD said, "O Jesus, I am terminating your life, raising you to Me, and ridding you of the disbelievers. I will exalt those who follow you above those who disbelieve, till the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is the ultimate destiny of all of you, then I will judge among you regarding your disputes.,
I could spend my time better in learning Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek and Arabic to study the Torah, Psalms, Gospel and Quran instead of convincing someone who rejects, ignores, disbelieves the word and promotes this disbelief.
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An English translation of the Quran
33 He sent down to you the Book with the truth, authenticating what is between his hands; and He sent down the Torah and the Gospel.
348 And He teaches him the Book and the Wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel.
365 "O people of the Book, why do you debate with us regarding Abraham when the Torah and the Gospel were not sent down except after him? Do you not comprehend?"
546 And We sent in their footsteps Jesus, son of Mary, authenticating what was present with him of the Torah. And We gave him the Gospel, in it is a guidance and a light, and authenticating what was present with him of the Torah, and a guidance and a lesson for the righteous.
547 And let the people of the Gospel judge with what God has sent down in it. And whoever does not judge with what God has sent down, then these are the wicked.
566 And if they had upheld the Torah and the Gospel, and what was sent down to them from their Lord, they would have been rewarded from above them and from beneath their feet. From among them is a pious nation, but most of them only do evil.
5110 God said "O Jesus, son of Mary, recall My blessings upon you and your mother, that I supported you with the Holy Spirit; you spoke to the people in the cradle and middle-age; and I taught you the Book and the wisdom, and the Torah, and the Gospel; and you would create from clay the shape of a bird, then blow into it and it becomes a bird with My permission; and you would heal the blind and the leaper with My permission; and you would bring out the dead with My permission. And I have restrained the Children of Israel from you, that you came to them with proofs; but those who rejected among them said 'This is clearly magic!'"
7157 "Those who follow the Gentile messenger prophet whom they find written for them in the Torah and the Gospel; he orders them to kindness, and prohibits them from vice, and he makes lawful for them the good things, and he makes unlawful for them the evil things, and he removes their burden and the shackles that are upon them. So those who believe in him, and support him, and help him persevere, and follow the light that was sent down with him; these are the successful ones."
9111 God has purchased from the believers their very lives and their wealth, that they will have the Paradise; they fight in the cause of God so they kill and are killed; a promise that is true upon Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. And whoever fulfills this pledge with God, then have good news of the pledge which you are concluded with. Such is the great triumph.
4829 Mohammed is the messenger of God, and those who are with him are severe against the rejecters, but merciful between themselves. You see them kneeling and prostrating, they seek the blessings and approval of God. Their distinction is in their faces, as a result of prostrating. Such is their example in the Torah. And their example in the Gospel is like a plant which shoots out and becomes strong and thick and it stands straight on its trunk, pleasing to the farmers. That He may enrage the rejecters with them. God promises those among them who believe and do good works a forgiveness and a great reward.
5727 Then We sent in their tracks Our messengers. And We sent Jesus, son of Mary, and We gave him the Gospel, and We ordained in the hearts of his followers kindness and mercy. But they invented Monasticism which We never decreed for them. They wanted to please God, but they did not observe it the way it should have been observed. Consequently, We gave those who believed among them their recompense, while many of them were wicked.
All these verses, but still you reject. I can't help you, all i do is sharing verses. Why don't you study the Gospel itself and what it said about itself.
An English translation of the Gospel
Matthew 423 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.
Matthew 935 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.
Matthew 115 The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.
Matthew 2414 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Matthew 2613 Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world, there shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her.
Mark 11 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
Mark 114 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
Mark 115 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Mark 835 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.
Mark 1029 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,
Mark 1310 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
Mark 149 Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached throughout the whole world, this also that she hath done shall be spoken of for a memorial of her.
Mark 1615 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Luke 418 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luke 722 Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.
Luke 96 And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.
Luke 201 And it came to pass, that on one of those days, as he taught the people in the temple, and preached the gospel, the chief priests and the scribes came upon him with the elders,
Acts 825 And they, when they had testified and preached the word of the Lord, returned to Jerusalem, and preached the gospel in many villages of the Samaritans.
Acts 147 And there they preached the gospel.
Acts 1421 And when they had preached the gospel to that city, and had taught many, they returned again to Lystra, and to Iconium, and Antioch,
Acts 157 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
Acts 1610 And after he had seen the vision, immediately we endeavoured to go into Macedonia, assuredly gathering that the Lord had called us for to preach the gospel unto them.
Acts 2024 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.
Romans 11 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
Romans 19 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;
Romans 115 So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.
Romans 116 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Romans 216 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Romans 1015 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Romans 1016 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
Romans 1128 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Romans 1516 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.
Romans 1519 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.
Romans 1520 Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation
Romans 1529 And I am sure that, when I come unto you, I shall come in the fulness of the blessing of the gospel of Christ.
Romans 1625 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
1 Corinthians 117 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
1 Corinthians 415 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
1 Corinthians 912 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.
1 Corinthians 914 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.
1 Corinthians 916 For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!
1 Corinthians 917 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.
1 Corinthians 918 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.
1 Corinthians 923 And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.
1 Corinthians 151 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 Corinthians 212 Furthermore, when I came to Troas to preach Christ's gospel, and a door was opened unto me of the Lord,
2 Corinthians 43 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost
2 Corinthians 44 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
2 Corinthians 818 And we have sent with him the brother, whose praise is in the gospel throughout all the churches;
2 Corinthians 913 Whiles by the experiment of this ministration they glorify God for your professed subjection unto the gospel of Christ, and for your liberal distribution unto them, and unto all men;
2 Corinthians 1014 For we stretch not ourselves beyond our measure, as though we reached not unto you for we are come as far as to you also in preaching the gospel of Christ
2 Corinthians 1016 To preach the gospel in the regions beyond you, and not to boast in another man's line of things made ready to our hand.
2 Corinthians 114 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
2 Corinthians 117 Have I committed an offence in abasing myself that ye might be exalted, because I have preached to you the gospel of God freely?
Galatians 16 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel
Galatians 17 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Galatians 18 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Galatians 19 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Galatians 111 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
Galatians 22 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.
Galatians 25 To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.
Galatians 27 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Galatians 214 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
Galatians 38 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Galatians 413 Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first.
Ephesians 113 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Ephesians 36 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel
Ephesians 615 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Ephesians 619 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,
Philippians 15 For your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now;
Philippians 17 Even as it is meet for me to think this of you all, because I have you in my heart; inasmuch as both in my bonds, and in the defence and confirmation of the gospel, ye all are partakers of my grace.
Philippians 112 But I would ye should understand, brethren, that the things which happened unto me have fallen out rather unto the furtherance of the gospel;
Philippians 117 But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.
Philippians 127 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
Philippians 222 But ye know the proof of him, that, as a son with the father, he hath served with me in the gospel.
Philippians 43 And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.
Philippians 415 Now ye Philippians know also, that in the beginning of the gospel, when I departed from Macedonia, no church communicated with me as concerning giving and receiving, but ye only.
Colossians 15 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
Colossians 123 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
1 Thessalonians 15 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.
1 Thessalonians 22 But even after that we had suffered before, and were shamefully entreated, as ye know, at Philippi, we were bold in our God to speak unto you the gospel of God with much contention.
1 Thessalonians 24 But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts.
1 Thessalonians 28 So being affectionately desirous of you, we were willing to have imparted unto you, not the gospel of God only, but also our own souls, because ye were dear unto us.
1 Thessalonians 29 For ye remember, brethren, our labour and travail for labouring night and day, because we would not be chargeable unto any of you, we preached unto you the gospel of God.
1 Thessalonians 32 And sent Timotheus, our brother, and minister of God, and our fellowlabourer in the gospel of Christ, to establish you, and to comfort you concerning your faith
2 Thessalonians 18 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ
2 Thessalonians 214 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Timothy 111 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
2 Timothy 18 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;
2 Timothy 110 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel
2 Timothy 28 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel
Philemon 113 Whom I would have retained with me, that in thy stead he might have ministered unto me in the bonds of the gospel
Hebrews 42 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
1 Peter 112 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
1 Peter 125 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
1 Peter 46 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
1 Peter 417 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
Revelation 146 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
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The point is, if you ignore and reject the whole of the Gospel, Psalms and Torah then what does it matter if i do? If the word of God can't guide you, because you reject and ignore it, then who am i to guide you? I myself am in need of the guidance of our Lord also. So may the Lord guide you, and may the Lord guide me. He alone can guide.
From the perspective of the sectarian interpretation of the Quran? Are you kidding me? So it's me who is an sectarian now? Well good, then good luck with your interpretation. Why would you ask anyways for an "sectarian" interpretation and reject the Gospel?
Anyways, don't stand in my way. It's not the first, second or third time that i talked with you about this subject. And who can convince you if you do not even accept the Word?
Again An English translation of the Quran - 547 And let the people of the Gospel judge with what God has sent down in it. And whoever does not judge with what God has sent down, then these are the wicked.
So let me judge with the Gospel.
An English translation of the Gospel - Luke 44 ?And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.?
An English translation of the Quran - 355 Thus, GOD said, "O Jesus, I am terminating your life, raising you to Me, and ridding you of the disbelievers. I will exalt those who follow you above those who disbelieve, till the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is the ultimate destiny of all of you, then I will judge among you regarding your disputes.,
I could spend my time better in learning Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek and Arabic to study the Torah, Psalms, Gospel and Quran instead of convincing someone who rejects, ignores, disbelieves the word and promotes this disbelief.
The point is, if you ignore and reject the whole of the Gospel, Psalms and Torah then what does it matter if i do? If the word of God can't guide you, because you reject and ignore it, then who am i to guide you? I myself am in need of the guidance of our Lord also. So may the Lord guide you, and may the Lord guide me. He alone can guide.
From the perspective of the sectarian interpretation of the Quran? Are you kidding me? So it's me who is an sectarian now? Well good, then good luck with your interpretation. Why would you ask anyways for an "sectarian" interpretation and reject the Gospel?
Anyways, don't stand in my way. It's not the first, second or third time that i talked with you about this subject. And who can convince you if you do not even accept the Word?
Again An English translation of the Quran - 547 And let the people of the Gospel judge with what God has sent down in it. And whoever does not judge with what God has sent down, then these are the wicked.
So let me judge with the Gospel.
An English translation of the Gospel - Luke 44 ?And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.?
An English translation of the Quran - 355 Thus, GOD said, "O Jesus, I am terminating your life, raising you to Me, and ridding you of the disbelievers. I will exalt those who follow you above those who disbelieve, till the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is the ultimate destiny of all of you, then I will judge among you regarding your disputes.,
I could spend my time better in learning Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek and Arabic to study the Torah, Psalms, Gospel and Quran instead of convincing someone who rejects, ignores, disbelieves the word and promotes this disbelief.
But you cannot reconcile the sectarian interpretation of Quran with the Biblical Gospels.
Jesus' adversaries fabricated the Islam sect in opposition to Jesus' teachings and twisting what he taught. Their interpretation is what you have in your hands and it is obviously incompatible with the Biblical Gospels because those are the true words of Jesus, such as "I am in the Father and the Father is in me". The Biblical Gospels approve strongly with association in God while the sectarian interpretation of Quran opposes it strongly. They are utterly incompatible thus.
Be well
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But you cannot reconcile the sectarian interpretation of Quran with the Biblical Gospels.
Jesus' adversaries fabricated the Islam sect in opposition to Jesus' teachings and twisting what he taught. Their interpretation is what you have in your hands and it is obviously incompatible with the Biblical Gospels because those are the true words of Jesus, such as "I am in the Father and the Father is in me". The Biblical Gospels approve strongly with association in God while the sectarian interpretation of Quran opposes it strongly. They are utterly incompatible thus.
Be well
AmenuelAn English translation of the Quran - 547 And let the people of the Gospel judge with what God has sent down in it. And whoever does not judge with what God has sent down, then these are the wicked.
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And no reason to parrot me myriad verses from the Gospels as I know them by heart already. The Gospels are my favorite of Abrahamic writings still available in somewhat their original form except that the Greek is a sometimes poor translation from the Syriac Aramaic sayings of Jesus.
No quarrel with Greek as a language though, it is a blend between two worlds. Greek is a key into discovering the ancient form of Semitic languages lost through linguistic decay and twisting.
And I also think that we lack proper understanding of the ancient Greek too, even native Greeks, which might have been having different connotations in the past. It is therefore good with people interested in linguistics such as Virginia.
Be well
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And no reason to parrot me myriad verses from the Gospels as I know them by heart already. The Gospels are my favorite of Abrahamic writings still available in somewhat their original form except that the Greek is a sometimes poor translation from the Syriac Aramaic sayings of Jesus.
No quarrel with Greek as a language though, it is a blend between two worlds. Greek is a key into discovering the ancient form of Semitic languages lost through linguistic decay and twisting.
And I also think that we lack proper understanding of the ancient Greek too, even native Greeks, which might have been having different connotations in the past. It is therefore good with people interested in linguistics such as Virginia.
Be well
AmenuelI agree with the need of learning the original tongue. That's why i try to learn them.
What's your forum "I am that I am" about? I am taking a look.., but here it seems that you reject the Gospel and the Torah and there it looks like you are preaching it? Or am i wrong, i am busy these few days and i am tired of people who ignore the verses and try to disprove them with translations or even their own words.
And there is nothing wrong in rereading verses. It's they that contain Guidance and Light. You shouldn't ask for my own words.
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Anyway it makes me sad to hear someone talk like that about the Gospel while having read it. I do not wish to speak to you anymore, and i am not interested in your opinion about the Scriptures of our Lord, God, the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth.
May the Lord guide you, and may He guide me, and may He increase our knowledge and grant us the Holy Spirit and Teach us Hes Word.
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MOF why is that you claim the Gospel is still very close to what Jesus taught yet it's interpretation claims he's the son of God. I know you have a different view but the Gospels are several books. The Quran is one, chances of misinterpretation is lower, but I believe there is. However, never to associate anything with God is mentioned pretty much everywhere.
You said Allah is not God, I gave you a verse and asked for your translation of it, using lexicons or wtvr you want.
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According to you, what does this mean?
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MOF why is that you claim the Gospel is still very close to what Jesus taught yet it's interpretation claims he's the son of God. I know you have a different view but the Gospels are several books. The Quran is one, chances of misinterpretation is lower, but I believe there is. However, never to associate anything with God is mentioned pretty much everywhere.
You said Allah is not God, I gave you a verse and asked for your translation of it, using lexicons or wtvr you want.
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According to you, what does this mean?
It's you who divided the Gospel, but in fact the Gospel is one. Don't get confused, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, the first 4 chapters explain who Jesus, son of Mary, the Messiah was from different angles.
And i am not going to discuss the "wallad" and son subject without learning Greek and Arabic. Of course God doesn't have a child. None is equal to Him.
For example, we read, that Jesus, son of Mary, the Messiah didn't know when the Hour was to come, but only God does know. Or that he told them not to call him Good, because he said that only God is good. And a lot of other verses clearly tell us that Jesus, son of Mary, the Messiah is a servant, a messenger, a prophet, a Messiah fulfilled with the Holy Spirit instead of what sectarians say about him and hes mother. That's why he warned us against the anti-christ, those who oppose him.
In Arabic we use the word Allah for God.
In Hebrew we use the word Elohim for God.
In Aramaic we use the word Elaha for God.
In Greek we use the word Theos for God.
And all beautiful names belong to Him, the Lord of the Throne.
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Peace .
On the subject of halal/haram...
Each individual ( Yes you!)make their own food halal /haram. Nothing else makes your food anything. Just follow GOD s instructions/commands and enjoy.
Bon appetit.
GOD bless.
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Rekkd,
Those Gospel testimonies are gathered sayings of Jesus. The actual Gospel is Jesus elaboration and not a physical book. If one knows Jesus' lesson they know the Gospel. And Jesus' lesson is well documented in his recorded sayings. It just takes knowing what he truly meant through them. Jesus did not explain the why behind the ten directives, but he did give hints for the witted and the witted one obviously sees that it is what leads to the darkness associated with the directives which is what one ought to stay away from. Jesus did never teach that the instinct is the cause of those thoughts to arise, but that I teach now since Quran is supposed to be manifested and bring light on past teachings, in my world.
"Son" is not intended biologically and is on soul level and means Jesus found his innate spirit of God within himself as he had rejected the spirit of the flesh. We all possess a "seed" of God's spirit within ourselves which needs to be developed and one does so through finding their true selves. It is what Jesus means by saying "if you know yourself you will know the Father". And father in Arabic is a word not necessarily with a biological connotation and it refers to one's originator (the origin) and Jesus therefore meant you will find out about yourself if you find out about your originating source.
In your passage you have the word for God in it, i.e. Rabb. Allah means Who Is Being. Full root of meaning The Like and Arabic's third person singular . My God and your God it says through Rabb with different pronoun suffixes. It begins saying "It is Being my God and your God". God is a bad translation of Rabb though which word in Arabic means Developer. But now I did something which annoys the administration of this forum and I must make a disclaimer that this is my opinion and it is giving you an idea. (If it is true or not is still up to you). After all you asked me for a translation.
Be well
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But let yourselves and myself go back to the topic of the thread.
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No please give me the full translation of that verse, according to your interpretation. Since "It is being my God and your God" doesnt make sense when we read the rest of the verse.
This is more important to me than this topic, because your claim is very strong and I have been trying for a while to look at this with your point of view and it doesnt make sense to me.
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No please give me the full translation of that verse, according to your interpretation. Since "It is being my God and your God" doesnt make sense when we read the rest of the verse.
This is more important to me than this topic, because your claim is very strong and I have been trying for a while to look at this with your point of view and it doesnt make sense to me.
351 is a continuation of the previous passage.
"...(It) is being like my Rabb and your Rabb in servitude to him that is a straight/right path".
The actual clause of 351 begins with a word from the earlier verse 350 which is and means " being prepared for and be able/capable to". Obviously this does not say much but one would need to retranslate the whole context in order to make out what it likes to say. I have not yet started working on this chapter in my project study.
Despite that it is clearly disproved that I make this discussion on this forum I will present what this phrase from 350 says
And offer what is not clear by the means of the Torat, i.e. he (Jesus) was there to clarify the intent with the Torat.
Anyways, this is my opinion and my interpretation and that is a disclaimer for me. I neither claim it to be true or not in order not to run into problems with the administration.
Be well
Amenuel -
351 is a continuation of the previous passage.
"...(It) is being like my Rabb and your Rabb in servitude to him that is a straight/right path".
The actual clause of 351 begins with a word from the earlier verse 350 which is and means " being prepared for and be able/capable to". Obviously this does not say much but one would need to retranslate the whole context in order to make out what it likes to say. I have not yet started working on this chapter in my project study.
Despite that it is clearly disproved that I make this discussion on this forum I will present what this phrase from 350 says
And offer what is not clear by the means of the Torat, i.e. he (Jesus) was there to clarify the intent with the Torat.
Anyways, this is my opinion and my interpretation and that is a disclaimer for me. I neither claim it to be true or not in order not to run into problems with the administration.
Be well
AmenuelYou pretty much changed the meaning of every word. Thx for your translation and explanation
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Salam,
the hypocrites will try to get as much money as possible through this confusion.
What do you or anyone else think the butchers are saying to make food "halal"?
They say "In the name of God"; Bismillah.
Nowhere in Quran does it say that "Bismillah" must be uttered by a butcher or an imam etc.
Also, how do we know they slaughter the animals? I have always held the thought a machine and a tape recorder would profit them more ;D
Buy meat, mention the name of God.
6119 And why should you not eat that on which the name of God has
been mentioned, when He has fully detailed to you what has been
made forbidden; except what you are forced to? Many misguide
by their desires without knowledge; your Lord is fully aware of
the transgressors.There is of course a trust issue with the halal-marked food. What if they haven't mentioned the name of God? It's just better to do it ourselves, or if a believer shares.
Salam
Salam,
Read the bold. I might have been wrong on what I wrote. When reading verse 2236 it says "remember" instead of "mention" the name of God. I'm conflicted whether this verse is actually telling us to remember the name of God inside our heads, or to utter the name of God. I'm leaning more towards uttering as it says "upon them".
2236
And the plump livestock, We have made them for you to be among
the symbols of God; you will have benefit in them. So remember
the name of God upon them in succession; then, once their sides
have become still, you may eat from them and feed with them the
poor and the needy. It was thus that We have commissioned them
for you, that you may be thankful.What do you think?
Salam
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Do you guys agree with this article?
http//www.quran-islam.org/articles/halal_meat_(P1156).htmlWhy yes or why no?
If I for example were to buy chicken (without a halal label on it) from a simple (not islamic) supermarket and just mention the name of God on it before I eat it, does that make it halal?
That article is reasonable.
To my knowledge, the primary difference between certified "Halal" meat and ordinary meat in Europe/USA is that the former is "blessed" prior to slaughter. This "blessing" is commonly done via an audio recording that is played in the background on repeat/loop.
The Quran is pragmatic and fairly clear on this issue, e.g. 2236 states mention/recall/remember God's name upon them prior to slaughter if one is doing the slaughter, BUT in 54 it allows for this to be done AFTER the animal has been caught (and likely killed) by hunting dog/bird. In other words, if one is in a position to mention/remember/recall the name of God prior to slaughter that's fine, but it can also be done after the animal has been killed.
Some may consider 54 an exception but taking into account the wider context (see article) the evidence seems to suggest the above is the sensible interpretation.
Of course there is advantages to doing the slaughter as it would likely mean you know how the animal has been reared, fed, treated etc. Being humane towards animals is an underlying aim, see
http//misconceptions-about-islam.com/halal-meat.html -
We should study the Torah to understand this whole "Halal" doctrine. Doesn't the Quran tell the people of the Book that they have no bases if they do not uphold the Torah and the Gospel, and we know for certain that the Quran also is a Book.
How can someone understand the alphabet when learning just the last few letters. How can someone understand a book by reading only the last volume?
Especially with ruling, we see that sects do not know when or how to stop when it comes to "Halal" and "Haram". So watch out, make your homework guys!
How many times did God call the Torah and the Gospel a guidance. We can't ignore it, and take sites as free-minds etc. as the guidance and the light over them. That's plain idolatry.
I advice all of you to read the Torah to understand subjects like "Halal" food. It's very very detailed when it comes to the details.
For example, i stopped eating shrimps, because i see it as "Not Halaal", just like pigs etc.
Salaam,
The choice is yours but the way I see it is thus,
The verse you mentioned is 'tell the people of the book that they have no basis until they uphold the Torah and the gospel and what is revealed in this from your Lord, and what is revealed in this will certainly increase many of them in transgression' or thereabouts
Make life way for yourself, Quran clearly states that 'this day all good foods are made lawful for you.. except what is mentioned (as haram) that being blood, the flesh of swine, 'dead meat' and that which is dedicated to other than God unless afflicted to do so without the desire to be in opposition to God, for example if that's all you have or you live in a country where all food is dedicated to idols etc
The judgement of God is the best to follow
You raised a valid point though of the necessity of those who follow Quran to read the previous scriptures, because it helps to fill in the blanks, for example the saying that all food was lawful to the children of Israel except what Israel forbade himself before the Torah was revealed, without looking into the tanakh I would not have a clue what it was talking about
Sadly the fact that many of us neglect the previous scriptures in favour of the Quran, the whole Quran and nothing but the Quran leads to many a division and allot of misguidance, especially since we should strive to learn Arabic to understand the Quran, and if one knows Arabic you can pretty much pick up on much of the bible, although the script is harder to read, and God only ever mentions one book. As far as I understand
Peace
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That article doesn't talk about animal welfare. Factory farm raised animals are not halal because of the way the animals are treated. We shouldn't be supporting an industry that abuses animals and deprives them of their basic needs such as space, fresh air, grass, and sunlight.
"And the earth He has made for all creatures." (5510)
"He brought forth from it its water and pasture.
And the mountains He fixed firmly.
All this to be a provision for you and your livestock." (7931-33) -
Very interesting examples.
Dobrodo?la welcome
