Few Questions
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True Isa is Isa. Why The Quran doesn't call him Jesus/Yashua ? But calls him Isa?
For example my friend`s name is Jack. If he moves to China, does his name magically change to something else ? Is Quran exact or is it trying to confuse its readers ? I dont think so.
3isa is not Jesus of the Gospel neither with that name nor with any other name. The personage and his life is not the same, nothing at all to do with each other.
One is the son of a single mother, the other had a father who was a cabinet maker, one was born with his father along in a manger with an ox and a mule, the other was born alone at the foot of a palm tree, etc. etc. etc. No ressemblance at all.
Salaam
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3isa is not Jesus of the Gospel neither with that name nor with any other name. The personage and his life is not the same, nothing at all to do with each other.
Do you know how Jesus, son of Mary, the Messiah is called in the Gospel in it's original language?
One is the son of a single mother, the other had a father who was a cabinet maker, one was born with his father along in a manger with an ox and a mule, the other was born alone at the foot of a palm tree, etc. etc. etc. No ressemblance at all.
Can you give us examples from the Gospel?
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Oh and by the way, Jesus, son of Mary, the Messiah is a great example for us. Remember, there were a lot of prophets and messengers sent to humanity, but there was sent just one Messiah that we received and are going to receive again in the second coming. And be prepared, and become students of Hes Revelation and may you be enlightened.
In the Gospel it's written An English translation of the Gospel - Matthew 518 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
So this is what Jesus said about the Torah. Remember, heaven and earth is still above and below you. So there is no reason to think about following the whisperers of the devils who try to tell you that there is no Torah anymore.
And remember, Mary the daughter of Imran is a great example for the sisters as well. In an English translation of the Quran - 6612 And Mary, daughter of Imran, who maintained the chastity of her private part, so We blew into it from Our Spirit, and she believed in the words of her Lord and His Books; and she was of those who were dutiful.
See, we read, that she believed in the words of her Lord and His Books. It said Books in plural. There are a lot of examples from the Gospel that you can read to clarify a lot.
So it's a real blessing to be able to believe in all the words of God, the Quran, Gospel, Psalms, Torah and all other inspirations which were given to Hes prophets and messengers which are present with us here on earth.
An English translation of the Gospel - Matthew 44 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
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@Huruf, can you please explain further on this matter.
@Adam The Warner, how is the Gospel sent down by God if its written by men? Inspiration will be your answer, so all the authors are prophets? What if the Gospel and Torah are something else, books or not doesnt matter just something else than what we know? There is something wrong.. Doesn't add up. The meanings of words change all the time throughout history..
@MOF, why are you sure that the Gospels contain the true sayings of Jesus? Written years later means fabrications? You said we are not doomed and to use our brains, yet alot of the things you believe in dont make sense, like becoming Allah. You're faith is strongly based on stories and work of others, it can be flawed.. Especially since arabic words have several meanings and your background has a strong influence on your logic and your reasoning. I understand some key words can be distorted, but the whole language? Lol
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Do you know how Jesus, son of Mary, the Messiah is called in the Gospel in it's original language?
Can you give us examples from the Gospel?
To elaborate
Here is the first chapter of the Gospel about the Messiah which grants us the right Guidance and Light that we should receive when studying this subject
An English translation of the Gospel - Matthew 11 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
2 Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;
3 And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram;
4 And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon;
5 And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse;
6 And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias;
7 And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa;
8 And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias;
9 And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias;
10 And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias;
11 And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon
12 And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel;
13 And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor;
14 And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud;
15 And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob;
16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon
are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.
20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS for he shall save his people from their sins.
22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife
25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son and he called his name JESUS.
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@Adam The Warner, how is the Gospel sent down by God if its written by men? Inspiration will be your answer, so all the authors are prophets? What if the Gospel and Torah are something else, books or not doesnt matter just something else than what we know? There is something wrong.. Doesn't add up. The meanings of words change all the time throughout history..
It's Jesus, son of Mary, the Messiah who preached the Gospel
An English translation of the Gospel - Matthew 423 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.
And
An English translation of the Gospel - Matthew 2414 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
And the Apostles did a great job in being an apostle
An English translation of the Gospel - Luke 95 And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them. 6 And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.
Just ask God, believe in it, we have enough indications in the Quran that tell us that the Gospel is send down by God and that it's people should even judge by it because He told us it's a Guidance and a Light.
An English translation of the Gospel - Mark 115 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Oh no, it doesn't change. It's the people who change what they think about it.
An English translation of the Gospel - Matthew 518 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Remember, how much thousands of years old this law is which is being mentioned here. It's was given to Moses. And you have read now what is written in the Gospel about the Torah.
Anyways, and also the Quran itself told us
An English translation of the Quran - 547 And let the people of the Gospel judge with what God has sent down in it. And whoever does not judge with what God has sent down, then these are the wicked.
It doesn't make sense that God would tell us to let a people judge with something that is corrupt. And it's He who protects Hes Reminder
An English translation of the Quran - 159 Indeed it is We who have sent down the Reminder, and indeed it is We who will preserve it.
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@Huruf, can you please explain further on this matter.
@Adam The Warner, how is the Gospel sent down by God if its written by men? Inspiration will be your answer, so all the authors are prophets? What if the Gospel and Torah are something else, books or not doesnt matter just something else than what we know? There is something wrong.. Doesn't add up. The meanings of words change all the time throughout history..
@MOF, why are you sure that the Gospels contain the true sayings of Jesus? Written years later means fabrications? You said we are not doomed and to use our brains, yet alot of the things you believe in dont make sense, like becoming Allah. You're faith is strongly based on stories and work of others, it can be flawed.. Especially since arabic words have several meanings and your background has a strong influence on your logic and your reasoning. I understand some key words can be distorted, but the whole language? Lol
Arabic words do not have multiple meanings. This is something that you have been made to believe.
My faith is not based on the work of someone else, and the work I am devoted to on Quran is not all all based on someone else's work. If it happens that my faith looks like someone this is just a coincidence.
Why would not people be able to systematically able to distort a whole language according to you?
You have not understood the "become allah" or otherwise you would not say it does not make sense. I have explained that God is like a Grand Consciousness containing of multiple nodes/persons combined of "those who are" while there are a lot of living dead in the world (something like automated beings following a predictable pattern). God made man's "seed" is its image and from its spirit and man is obviously hooked up to the massive mainframe called God. Within the platform called God persons can evolve with the God platform. They become independent lifeforms as is intended. All along we humans are supposed to become independent beings able to be our own consciousness. Our independent platform is being tested in a hostile environment called the bodily and we should retain and develop our superior self's platform despite the imposed contradiction. This is not do incredibly hard to understand and to realize our life is like this beneath the illusion of this world and a non-existent fleshly paradise. If finished in development we become integrated fully with God and no longer living like a developing "disconnected" platform and have full access to the features of God. This is called being an angel is common mouth. This is a development ground.
The word ALLAH means linguistically BE LIKE LIKE WHO, kind of the third person version of what Moses was told by Rabb some ages ago. That is our image of being.
Why would not the Biblical Gospels contain the sayings of Jesus? After all each of them is in alignment to what Quran says, in my reinterpretation work. Each saying is as clear as glass.
And I am someone special, you just do not realize that just as most other people. I sit on a well of knowledge, just requiring the right pedagogy and mode of conveyance to make people comprehend. Just like Jesus had to work really hard in order to convey what he liked to teach. Parables are our best friends.
Be well
Amenuel -
Arabic words do not have multiple meanings. This is something that you have been made to believe.
My faith is not based on the work of someone else, and the work I am devoted to on Quran is not all all based on someone else's work. If it happens that my faith looks like someone this is just a coincidence.
Why would not people be able to systematically able to distort a whole language according to you?
You have not understood the "become allah" or otherwise you would not say it does not make sense. I have explained that God is like a Grand Consciousness containing of multiple nodes/persons combined of "those who are" while there are a lot of living dead in the world (something like automated beings following a predictable pattern). God made man's "seed" is its image and from its spirit and man is obviously hooked up to the massive mainframe called God. Within the platform called God persons can evolve with the God platform. They become independent lifeforms as is intended. All along we humans are supposed to become independent beings able to be our own consciousness. Our independent platform is being tested in a hostile environment called the bodily and we should retain and develop our superior self's platform despite the imposed contradiction. This is not do incredibly hard to understand and to realize our life is like this beneath the illusion of this world and a non-existent fleshly paradise. If finished in development we become integrated fully with God and no longer living like a developing "disconnected" platform and have full access to the features of God. This is called being an angel is common mouth. This is a development ground.
The word ALLAH means linguistically BE LIKE LIKE WHO, kind of the third person version of what Moses was told by Rabb some ages ago. That is our image of being.
Why would not the Biblical Gospels contain the sayings of Jesus? After all each of them is in alignment to what Quran says, in my reinterpretation work. Each saying is as clear as glass.
And I am someone special, you just do not realize that just as most other people. I sit on a well of knowledge, just requiring the right pedagogy and mode of conveyance to make people comprehend. Just like Jesus had to work really hard in order to convey what he liked to teach. Parables are our best friends.
Be well
AmenuelThank God i didn't go berserk on you. I didn't call names, or say anything bad about you. It's just that tension..
I have to apologize. Maybe i did sound to harsh last week. I should train my patience and speak wise or be silent instead. It's just that things what you said made me angry. Instead of anger letting rule when preaching i should let love, mercy and kindness rule.
So may the Lord guide us, and forgive us, and Teach us Hes Word.
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1 - How can the Gospels be from God when they were written by men?
Peace Rekkd The Gospels are from Allah, but lack a safeguard like the
Quran therefore the Gospels contain interpolations, deletions, and additions. Please
understand and this is critical, Shaytayn in no way would stand by as promised and
permit unencumbered access to the truth (Allah), with this understanding it becomes
clear that a text that does not have Allah's protection in the hands of clerics and devils
will be crafted to suit their personal gain.But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their
hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places and forget a
good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find
them- barring a few - ever bent on (new) deceits but forgive them, and
overlook (their misdeeds) for Allah loveth those who are kind. From those,
too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot
a good part of the message that was sent them so we estranged them,
with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment.
And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done. (Quran 513-14)police
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I have a feeling that they are not lost. I think the problem is being made by their "translations". It is something Quran suffers from too. But thanks to Allah, the translation is always accompanied by its original language, Arabic.
shouldnt the Quran be the source to confirm if the Gospel is interpreted right?
Yes, this is how I see both the verses of those Books. Only the ones which match the Quran can be taken as right. If we go for the rest then we end up with things like
Stone the women
Allah told Jews to invade a country
and so on.Needless to say that Israliyat is partly responsible for corrupting the meanings of certain verses of the Quran. I would stick to just one Book because I seriously don't want to spend time filtering what is right and wrong in other scriptures. Even when they match it wouldn't make much difference to me because at the end of the day it is called "parroting".
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3isa is not Jesus of the Gospel neither with that name nor with any other name. The personage and his life is not the same, nothing at all to do with each other.
One is the son of a single mother, the other had a father who was a cabinet maker, one was born with his father along in a manger with an ox and a mule, the other was born alone at the foot of a palm tree, etc. etc. etc. No ressemblance at all.
Yes I agree totally. This is what is meant by relying totally on the Quran. Most have relied on older books and have clouded their minds with new information from the Quran - trying to make sense of it all old and new causes mainly conjecture. The Quran has stated clearly it supercedes the older teachings and only represents the truth - followers of the Quran must also act accordingly and stop wasting time looking back. Old books are filled with conjectures and of course some truth BUT you have no way of telling what is truth unless u have a solid reference AND that is represented by the Quran - ALFURQAN - a solid reference. And to me no matter how bad the Quran is translated, no translation can be perfect thus we need to read many translations (including going tru this forum) in order to find the best meanings - BUT best meanings comes from God when the time comes - if you are steadfast to the Quran.
And after going through many many translations, the message is the same - God is indescribable - God says do good things - God says strive to do better - believe in the unseen and accept it 'as is' until knowledge comes to u - everything is possible with God BUT God does not do stupid/silly/mindless/irrational things so stop thinking about God doing stupid/silly/irrational things just to please himself or for one's salvation like God has a son and he sacrificed his son to save his creation - simply put God creates and he also destroys - God do not change his system - everything comes from God - nothing comes from us except our acceptance of the situation put forth in front of us - God is the teacher of the Quran - etc.
In the Quran, the perspective is always about doing good and avoid the bad, it seems like a one sided perspective. There is another side - destruction and annihilation for failure to adhere - it represents the greater good. It is how we perceive the situation - as everything that comes from God is good - literally everything comes from God - what is bad? - what is bad is only our perspective/acceptance of the situation.
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An English translation of the Gospel - Luke 44 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
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An English translation of the Gospel - Luke 84 And when much people were gathered together, and were come to him out of every city, he spake by a parable
5 A sower went out to sow his seed and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it.
6 And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture.
7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it.
8 And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. And when he had said these things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
9 And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be?
10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.
11 Now the parable is this The seed is the word of God.
12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
14 And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.
15 But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.
16 No man, when he hath lighted a candle, covereth it with a vessel, or putteth it under a bed; but setteth it on a candlestick, that they which enter in may see the light.
17 For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.
18 Take heed therefore how ye hear for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have.
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An English translation of the Gospel - Luke 821 And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.
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An English translation of the Gospel - Luke 1128 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
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An English translation of the Gospel - John 1035 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
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An English translation of the Gospel - Acts 1920 So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed.
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An English translation of the Gospel - Romans 1017 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
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An English translation of the Gospel - 1 Thessalonians 213 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.
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An English translation of the Gospel - 1 Peter 123 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.