interesting question if somebody can understand ...
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Salam Imran, referring to your answer, why is 'love for God' not the property of God?
you are the owner of that love(feeling).. so its belong to you
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you are the owner of that love(feeling).. so its belong to you
Even though we understand what you are trying to say, you should be more elaborate in your explanation
because I am the owner of my deeds, I commit them.
And I am owner of my burdens.
Allah may choose to pardon some or blot out all, but they are still my deeds... -
He can take it away from you whenever He wants.
ok , why he will gona take it away what belong to you,,,? its my lovely and lovely God not a human.. or thief lol
actually he can take it away becoz he is fully controlleable on everything but why he will take it away ? it must b a good reason for taking something that is totally mine by default it will always mine thats why i said it my property ...
or can God make 2+2 = 5 becoz he is fully controlleable...
or can somebody take away the love of mother regarding his kid?
you need to understand love first brother , its not a material your statement is based on material hence not applied .. confused
i think before making this statement you forget... this statement indirectly mean DOES GOD LEAD PEOPLE ASTRAY? by taking the love of God from human... lol
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Even though we understand what you are trying to say, you should be more elaborate in your explanation
because I am the owner of my deeds, I commit them.
And I am owner of my burdens.
Allah may choose to pardon some or blot out all, but they are still my deeds...deeds are responisble for punishment and rewards...
love is unconditional if you try to understand what is the difference between deeds and love...
example...
most of the times when we talk wordly love girls and boys flirt with these kind of stuffs..i love you alot my darling , i dnt need your money , status .. just your love i want ...
on other words lovers/flirters knows true love is not bound of conditions ... reasons..
so the love i am doing with my God... is seperate from my deeds of punishment and rewards...
understanding the real love is itself a difficult approach ...
BTW here is one of your post why did you write it specially tell me the reason ?
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608798.msg393986#msg393986 -
guys shall i tell you the first experience of my love and proof of that love...
i was 12 years old kid at that time was studying at sixth class ... i ask my mother to teach me pray i want to ask something from God...
that thing was impossible specially from last 7 years of schooling i never achieved that thing... even i try hard...
(actually it was a high standard school of my city and first three positions are always reserved s
due to big competetion)...some of the guys(position holder) challanged me and due to my strange nature of accepting challange i found my self in situation ...
and then i suddenly look my mother was praying and i ask a innocent question from my mom... that teach me how to pray ..and will God will fulfil it .. she gave an innocent reply... according to her knowledge she said God loves you more than 70 times than i love you as a mother so ask from him... and then i ask her to teach me how to contact pray...
and i ask God i love you if you love me fulfill my wish of standing at title position...(first tears of God love)
on the day of result... first two positions announed as expected ...
third one was also preparing to leave as usual...
but my name announced .... muscle pr hail (what a feeling that was i can still feel it) how i was running to stagejust for some drops of water that fell from my eyes due to the love of God .. how powerful these drops were infront of God..
what a wonderful/fintastic lord is my God....
that love inside me feel like a patrol of my body soul and spirit out of which this is useless... thats y my hunger of God love increase and increase... till now...
NOTE that was just the begining... of surprises .. that God gives me always...
now focus on my romance/love with God lol
" in the darkness of night ... i write God on my heart... with the tip of my forefinger"
a strange kind of ink was that neither i can see it nor i can remove it" -
Peace
One example I want to remind you of is 478-79
Aynama takoonoo yudrikkumu almawtu walaw kuntum fee buroojin mushayyadatin wa-in tusibhum hasanatun yaqooloo hathihi min AAindi Allahi wa-in tusibhum sayyi-atun yaqooloo hathihi min AAindika qul kullun min AAindi Allahi famali haola-i alqawmi la yakadoona yafqahoona hadeethan
Ma asabaka min hasanatin famina Allahi wama asabaka min sayyi-atin famin nafsika waarsalnaka lilnnasi rasoolan wakafa biAllahi shaheedan
Wherever you be will overtake you death even if you are in towers lofty. And if befalls them any good they say, "This (is) from Allah," And if befalls them any evil they say, "This (is) from you." Say, "All (is) from Allah." So what (is wrong) (with) these people, they do not seem (to) understand any statement.
What(ever) befalls you of (the) good (is) from Allah, and whatever befalls you of (the) evil (is) from yourself. And for the people (as) a Messenger, and Allah is sufficient (as) a Witness.
Take your time with the above Ayaahs and let your Lord teach you and guide you to the correct interpretation
These verses are key in my humble opinion because they illustrate an abstract concept that was for some reason difficult for some of the people around the prophet to grasp.These people thought that the good they received was from Allah but they attributed the evil that befell them to the prophet.
Allah then teaches us and clarifies that
- "All is from Allah"
- What(ever) befalls you of (the) good (is) from Allah
- Whatever befalls you of (the) evil (is) from yourself.
Some people who do not know may think think that statement 3 contradicts statement 1.
Fortunately Allah's Truth calls for ReasonThe good that befalls us it is pure Mercy and Grace from Himself (favors upon any of us are innumerable)
In fact, as an extension of statement 1, Allah pardons from much that we do.4230 And whatever befalls you of (the) misfortune, (is because) of what have earned your hands. But He pardons much.
So statement 3 means that the punishment or disaster we incur is a result of our misdeeds or erring, however the punishment comes from He Who controls ALL affairs. It has to originate from a source and He IS THE ORIGINATOR.
Why do I mention this topic and cite these verses you might ask?
Because we are essentially addressing the same topic.
While these verses have already answered them.Do we own anything? Not really if you want to get technical everything we have was given to us.
EVERYTHING is from God,
but just as the evil that befalls a man is from himself this means that a person takes full ownership and responsibility for their actions, thoughts and feelings. This is part of that Trust that all of the worlds except for man declined. 3372I know this may be tough to grasp imran but listen all of the above underlined are part of "free will". They are components that constitute volition.
If you didn't own your own actions and deeds which are an extension of your volition, then there would be no point in testing you or letting you be punished.
Love like hate is emotions/feelings/thoughts which is part of your volition/free will/ because you have to actively choose to hate something, or being stubborn or averse to the truth is a choice. Hating God's Messages and Truth is a choice other than that men could not be punished for something they have no control over. Emotions are controlled by free will/volition 4010
Allah knows, perhaps it might have started as an innate part of your nature but maintaining that love was a result of reasoning, volition, willingness to cultivate that love, expand and grow...
The issue is not solely based on feeling inclination/love towards Him, but getting this love/inclination grow and develop into mature loveLove for Allah also needs to grow.
Don't be so rigid in your understanding of "free will" it is not only the ability of making decision, it is broader and more inclusive than what I think you are understanding it as.
Therefore, yes you are correct love you own it
and yes virginia and others are equally correct deeds you own themAll are part of the Trust/volition/"free will" we are given
Peace
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Whatever befalls you of good is because you are good and whatever befalls you of evil is because you are evil.
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ok , why he will gona take it away what belong to you,,,? its my lovely and lovely God not a human.. or thief lol
actually he can take it away becoz he is fully controlleable on everything but why he will take it away ? it must b a good reason for taking something that is totally mine by default it will always mine thats why i said it my property ...
My deeds are also my property, what's the difference?
you need to understand love first brother , its not a material your statement is based on material hence not applied .. confused
The "intrinsic" value of deeds are also not materialistics
i think before making this statement you forget... this statement indirectly mean DOES GOD LEAD PEOPLE ASTRAY? by taking the love of God from human... lol
Why would He take away my deeds, I earned them myself, is He unjust?
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Whatever befalls you of good is because you are good and whatever befalls you of evil is because you are evil.
This is why I don't like you much...
Allah says A and you say B
Like are you blind? Do you not see your Lord's words clearly spelled out?Like seriously go sit down somewhere....
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So if someone gets cancer is it because he is evil ? Are little children evil too ?
What about all the evil people who are healthy ?
Here we go typical Hansolo...
This shows you don't know how to read and you paraphrase the Quran that is why you are misguided
I keep trying to help you read but you are stubborn...The verses I cited are clearly not conveying this at all. This is a strawman on your behalf.
Read the verse again, then realize how foolish your questions are.
Ask yourself is that what Allah is saying?I only cite your Lord's verses
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So if someone gets cancer is it because he is evil ? Are little children evil too ?
What about all the evil people who are healthy ?
It is an evil world we live in.
Besides we all live through what we have experienced in the past, even if we are children only in this life.
If you are evil you are not healthy even of your bodily indicates so.
Be well
Amenuel -
This is why I don't like you much...
Allah says A and you say B
Like are you blind? Do you not see your Lord's words clearly spelled out?Like seriously go sit down somewhere....
If you do something good this is going to give you good. If you are evil this is going to bring you evil.
Your Allah cannot like you very well. Behavior is everything.
Be well
Amenuel -
welcome back brothers and sisters...
your love for God is your property and thats an incredible property...
when u experience this u feel unlimited relaxation/peace of heart..Peace imrankhawaja my understanding is that all is from
Allah even your love for Allah.angel
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Peace imrankhawaja my understanding is that all is from
Allah even your love for Allah.angel
all is from Allah , but the strange thing about love you only do it with true heart if its real ?
in case of worldy love we are not sure other person claims are true or not
but with the case of God he knows what is in our chests...so its confusing actually we are infact bringing two different things at same time
if All is from God there another question arise , if bad/evil come from God ? so who should held responsible for it, as we know all from God , did he lead people astray by giving some of them bad and some enjoying good..?in my humble view the statement is all is from God , but the results of deeds will affect on us according to the nature of deed.. if eveil deed will done evil result will wait for us, if we decided/wish to put our hand in fire there is no chance we will not get burn , that a law based on truth... but its going out of topic
in my previous posts i do say that the nature of love is strange , and love regarding anything happen spontaneously so it should be something that God like it that his servant loves him... we can make sure that its a thing that will officialy our property...
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My deeds are also my property, what's the difference?
deeds are for reward and punishment isnt it?
love is for what ?... specially when we claim our love to somebody do we really need anything in return ?love and deeds
love and take care(with humans)there is a difference between taking care and love same as deeds and love
The "intrinsic" value of deeds are also not materialistics
but it based on results and morals , self is responsible for actions
but with love it is not a action by free will , its simply grows suddenly/spontaneouslyWhy would He take away my deeds, I earned them myself, is He unjust?
yeh exactly thats why i was sayin you in previous post why he will gona take my love from me he is not unjust
or other way round,
if God take his love away from servant servant in return will lost in this world love and hate also are responisble for lot of doings what we normally do in our daily life ...
so these actions will end him/her in hell isnt fair by taking away somebody love and putting him in hell due to the change .. i dnt think God want anybody to suffer in hell...one more thing i actually want to add why he will take away your deeds from you becoz you earned it...?
actually he make it happen that you earned it... on other ways if i want to earn a good deed by helping a poor , at first place he will make it happen for me to earn that money .. right then with that money i will b able to help what if he never gave me anything ...or the money due to which that deed i completed is indirectly belong to him. as we know its in his control..