Homosexuality LGBTQI and the deen
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Salam,
So I see the community is divided regarding "LGBT".
That's unfortunate. Extremely unfortunate.Anyway, you who are pro-LGBT, can you tell us ,
Salaam,
In my case I am not pro, they are what they are, just like you and me, God created them just like you and me.
If someone has problems with these people then they should ask God for clarification, He is their creator.
If you think God created them so that you can point your finger at them then I think you have a little bit of explanation to do with The Creator.who are anti-LGBT (following the laws of God), how pleased the rejecters are and also, is it enough to conform to some Western values? What I'm trying to say is, have you pleased the rejecters well enough?
The rejecters in this case are only they who reject what The Creator created with His Hand.
Soon, you can also make "adultery under special circumstances" permissible, so you can also please the rejecters instead of God.
Being a homosexual has nothing to do with adultery, adultery is for sure forbidden by God without any exceptions.
A funny story; I was in a restaurant, and the chef there served pig meat. He was of the sunni sectarian, and I asked him how come. His response was piglets are allowed but not menstruating pigs rotfl . Here you have a lesson to please the rejecters.
Yes life is about pleasing the rejecters/western world.
maybe one day the rejecters will open their arms and accept you because you said it's "Adam and Steve" instead of Adam and Eve.
nope
Salam
FYI there is no Eve in the quran, but I am sure you already know that.
Salaam,
Bender -
Bender is right folks ) Nothing wrong with sodomy as a norm
as far as those not endowed with reason are concerned, that is.If I say I am a hetero do you also immediately think I am involved in orgies or do you have this only when the word homosexual is mentioned?
And yes I am a lot of times wrong but I am 100% sure I am right in this case.
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No; prove that your God has a hand rotfl
I used the popular word for yad for people like you so that they have something to rotfl about, when they have nothing useful to say.
The rejecters in this case are only they who reject what The Creator created with His Hand.
Here is my proof.
Since they are a creation they must be created by a Creator.Being a homosexual has nothing to do with adultery
there is nothing to proof here, you clearly do not know the difference between homosexuality and adultery.anything else?
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God never forget...
instead he make a sign for all of us to ponder about it... police
it was a lesson too for the people who approach mean instead of women...
and these things are written in book too but people are always very argumentive its also written in the book...
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haha people are asking proof ... rotfl
if a person kill/rape/steal someone and we will keep on argue that its a proven fact that killers /rapist/ thiefs exist what does it prove actually...
my two cent for this 2 rotfl rotfl
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And yes I am a lot of times wrong but I am 100% sure I am right in this case.
which case ? that homosex is allowed ?
by the way u did not provide any evidence so far so how you are 100 % sure?
and last question .. is it ok to be 100 % sure on something on wishful thinking? confused
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So the conclusions here are
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God created sexually defective human beings
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God condemned those human beings in life to never be happy when He created them, they are condemned to struggle their whole life with their own nature and with the intolerance of society.
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They are condemned to be unhappy and make a hetero family unhappy because they will be pretending their whole life. And this is God's decree for them and those families.
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No matter what they do, accept their nature or not, acting or not, they are going straight to hell because they were created defective and they are so evil accepting being created defective!
Note Homosexuality does not hurt anyone and does not compel anyone so I don't really know what the reference to rapist etc. is doing here.
Is that really the Most Merciful, the Almight, the God, the Creator? confused
Help here because I don't get it...
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- God created sexually defective human beings
who said ?
954 Indeed, We have created the human being in the best design yes
3636 Praise be to the One who created all pairs from what the earth sprouts out and from themselves, and from what they do not know.just one question ... what is the defect of bisexual.. the one who go for both sexes... think about it... is it allowed for him to have one wife and one boyfriend at same time ... becoz he created as bisexual... its not his fault hmm
point to ponder verse number is in pair too
- God condemned those human beings in life to never be happy, struggling their whole life with their own nature and with the intolerance of society.
everybody have their own nature and people only suffer what their actions bring them...
thief /killer/rapist / adulterer/ invader all of them will struggle with what they do.. God did not forcefully make them do it.. they wrong themselves...- They are condemned to be unhappy and make a hetero family unhappy because they will be pretending their whole life.
there is no need of pretending , the test is do sabar(patience) if one cant do it , he considered as fail ..
if somebody want to kill/steal/rape somebody he should not listen what his heart say.. ( or he should not pretend)
if somebody wish to do cheating /dishonesty he should not do it.. (or they should not pretend)
even in some situations its difficult to pass the test of patience but we have to give that test anyway...- No matter what they do, accept their nature or not, acting or not, they are going straight to hell because they were created defective.
God will not send you to hell if you are disable
God will not send you to the hell if you are not rich
God will not send you to the hell if you got ugly face
God will not send you to the hell if you created defected..there is a difference in between defect and immoral/fahish
Note Homosexuality does not hurt anyone and does not compel anyone so I don't really know what the reference to rapist etc. is doing here.
did you know it really hurts , more than a rapist .. actually ,, the victim of rapist is only hurt once whereas the victim of homosex his family members spouses are getting hurt day and night , its like a loop of continuity ..
Is that really the Most Merciful, the Almight, the God, the Creator? confused
God did not only merciful .. God is just too , if you kill/rob/rape/murder/adultery he will call you on account ...
what if a married women is sleeping with another man and they are not hurting anybody ? becoz her husband is not what she like ..do you think God is merciful so if they are harmless they should left without judgement?
otherwise the victims will question about God justice ... even lot nation was advised by the messenger before their destruction what they invite by their own hands... God did not enjoy destroying people ... God warns us.. its up to us what way/desire/path we will follow..
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Salam peace
Imran I will use your post to expound my point of view, I know you understand peace
who said ?
954 Indeed, We have created the human being in the best design yes
Of course He has hail
there is no need of pretending , the test is do sabar(patience) if one cant do it , he considered as fail ..
Homosexuals rather do sabar with intolerance...
if somebody want to kill/steal/rape somebody he should not listen what his heart say.. ( or he should not pretend)
if somebody wish to do cheating /dishonesty he should not do it.. (or they should not pretend)
even in some situations its difficult to pass the test of patience but we have to give that test anyway...What has this to do with homosexuality?
They are BORN gay.
God will not send you to hell if you are disable
God will not send you to the hell if you are not rich
God will not send you to the hell if you got ugly face
God will not send you to the hell if you created defected..Therefore being gay won't send you to hell
Unless being gay is a sin, like being born black or stupid or pretty or poor. How do they dare and be born like that? >(
Yes, I am being sarcastic
there is a difference in between defect and immoral/fahish
What is immoral? Inmoral for me is whatever does not take part or opposes the maintenance of the balance in God's creation. So, for me it is inmoral not to recicle, but being gay is perfectly ok, and even more being sincere with your ownself. Sue me for that if you want.
did you know it really hurts , more than a rapist .. actually ,, the victim of rapist is only hurt once whereas the victim of homosex his family members spouses are getting hurt day and night , its like a loop of continuity ..
Do you have any idea how much I have hurt my family when I told them I believe in God and the Quran? Actually they don't talk to me anymore and pray to Jesus Christ to me to come back to the right path...
Bold What does this have to do with homosexuality?
God did not only merciful .. God is just too , if you kill/rob/rape/murder/adultery/ be born different he will call you on account ...
Red is mine
what if a married women is sleeping with another man and they are not hurting anybody ? becoz her husband is not what she like ..do you think God is merciful so if they are harmless they should left without judgement?
Of course she is hurting people. That her husband is not aware does not mean she is not hurting him and betraying him and risking everything for sex.
I still don't see how adultery = homosexualityotherwise the victims will question about God justice ... even lot nation was advised by the messenger before their destruction what they invite by their own hands... God did not enjoy destroying people ... God warns us.. its up to us what way/desire/path we will follow..
Bold Who is the victim of homosexuality?
Last week we unloaed a truck coming from North Europe. 10 tonnes of aid for the homeless families. They were 2 guys driving for a week that truck until Greece and noone could help unloading because there were not enough volunteers available, so we made the job ourselves. I can't even write properly because my arms are in pain. It took us hours to unload and then more hours to put an order in the stuff. They were not paid, the truck is theirs, they paid the fuel to come here, they paid the ferry fees their own and all they got back a coffee I made them because they sat for half and hour and then get back in the truck to go back to North Europe because they work on Monday! They are gay and they are together 20 years. The most discreet and proper couple I have seen in years.
But God is going to destroy those evil people guided by their lust and inmorality.
But if you sit on your couch with a wife and say you are a believer, you are granted Paradise.giveup
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Salaam,
In my case I am not pro, they are what they are, just like you and me, God created them just like you and me.
If someone has problems with these people then they should ask God for clarification, He is their creator.
If you think God created them so that you can point your finger at them then I think you have a little bit of explanation to do with The Creator.
The rejecters in this case are only they who reject what The Creator created with His Hand.
Being a homosexual has nothing to do with adultery, adultery is for sure forbidden by God without any exceptions.
Yes life is about pleasing the rejecters/western world.FYI there is no Eve in the quran, but I am sure you already know that.
Salaam,
BenderSalam,
God created humans but He didn't make them homosexuals. If we take a look at the anatomy of humans we learn that male and female were created for each other and not male for male or female for female. God has indeed perfected everything.
What you should be saying is the devil has made many become homosexuals. Not genetic, but the work of the devil.
Point my finger? But God has said trouble them until the repent and reform! If God hasn't said anything against homosexuals then why would I be writing so much??? I'm not a hypocrite to steer problem.I never said life is about pleasing the rejecters. I'm telling you though how pro-LGBT here are probably doing it to please the rejecters, just like sectarian sunnis and shias are trying to change how their laws are to appease the West. Haven't you seen this, for example, especially since the emergence of ISIS?
Lastly, I know Eve doesn't exist in Quran. It was a metaphor.
Salam
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So the conclusions here are
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God created sexually defective human beings
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God condemned those human beings in life to never be happy when He created them, they are condemned to struggle their whole life with their own nature and with the intolerance of society.
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They are condemned to be unhappy and make a hetero family unhappy because they will be pretending their whole life. And this is God's decree for them and those families.
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No matter what they do, accept their nature or not, acting or not, they are going straight to hell because they were created defective and they are so evil accepting being created defective!
Note Homosexuality does not hurt anyone and does not compel anyone so I don't really know what the reference to rapist etc. is doing here.
Is that really the Most Merciful, the Almight, the God, the Creator? confused
Help here because I don't get it...
Salam,
Don't worry, I can try help you understand.
God didn't make homosexuals defective. As brother Imran said, God perfected everything.
Check these verses, especially the bold;
415 And those of your women who commit lewdness, you shall bring
four witnesses over them from among you; if they bear witness,
then you shall restrict them in the homes until death terminates
their lives, or God makes for them a way out.
416 And the two men who commit it from among you, you shall
trouble them. If they repent and reform, then leave them alone.
God is Redeemer, Merciful.You said defective, while it's well-established a defect most likely is an illness. But look at the verse; how can God tell us to trouble them until they reform? Can a person who's sick in genetic level reform? No, so it means homosexuality has nothing to do with genetics.
Where does the problem lie?
Our worst enemy! Satan. His whispers, over and over and over again.
Salam
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Salam peace
peace
Imran I will use your post to expound my point of view, I know you understand peace
i already did understand it..
Of course He has hail
hmm then its wrong to say his creation is defected...
Homosexuals rather do sabar with intolerance...
yeh same like other criminals do sabar when other people are not agree with their wrongdoings..
sometimes they have to do sabar in jails/prisons tooWhat has this to do with homosexuality?
They are BORN gay.
no body is born as gay..
male or female .. i already send you something in my previous post ..Therefore being gay won't send you to hell
yeh but it will make your life hell and hereafter too lol
Unless being gay is a sin, like being born black or stupid or pretty or poor. How do they dare and be born like that? >(
everybody born as a child then he learns right and wrong then he act right and wrong then he get reward and punish according to the act he did right and wrong... very simple...
defect and fahish act/doing/lust is not a similar thing
What is immoral? Inmoral for me is whatever does not take part or opposes the maintenance of the balance in God's creation. So, for me it is inmoral not to recicle, but being gay is perfectly ok, and even more being sincere with your ownself. Sue me for that if you want.
yeh if somebody sincearly want to steal becoz he dnt like doing work hard so its must be permissible isnt it?
Do you have any idea how much I have hurt my family when I told them I believe in God and the Quran? Actually they don't talk to me anymore and pray to Jesus Christ to me to come back to the right path...
hmm i hope the parents of athiests will feel the same ...
but does it really matter who is christian who is athiest who is muslim..
Of course she is hurting people. That her husband is not aware does not mean she is not hurting him and betraying him and risking everything for sex.
becoz its not her fault , she like to be around with lot of people so she listen what her heart say who cares about what God say when she dnt beleive in God ...
Bold Who is the victim of homosexuality?
who is the victim of doing sex with animal.. killing him is allowed so by default having a sex with him is also allowed ?
Last week we unloaed a truck coming from North Europe. 10 tonnes of aid for the homeless families. They were 2 guys driving for a week that truck until Greece and noone could help unloading because there were not enough volunteers available, so we made the job ourselves. I can't even write properly because my arms are in pain. It took us hours to unload and then more hours to put an order in the stuff. They were not paid, the truck is theirs, they paid the fuel to come here, they paid the ferry fees their own and all they got back a coffee I made them because they sat for half and hour and then get back in the truck to go back to North Europe because they work on Monday! They are gay and they are together 20 years. The most discreet and proper couple I have seen in years.
But God is going to destroy those evil people guided by their lust and inmorality.
But if you sit on your couch with a wife and say you are a believer, you are granted Paradise.giveup
hmm they are doing good job..
i also know my two friends who work hard and send most of their money in charities ...
both are athiest by faith
i know they are very good human beings they must not be put in hell ... hmmbut what i can do rules are rules for everybody...
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i have a question of a catagory of bisexual ?
how would the wife of a person who is bisexual will feel if she watching her husband is having a sex with same gender infront of her eyes..?
and both males take their turn , will she toss a coin for them & for first turn?
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Salam,
Don't worry, I can try help you understand.
God didn't make homosexuals defective. As brother Imran said, God perfected everything.
Check these verses, especially the bold;
415 And those of your women who commit lewdness, you shall bring
four witnesses over them from among you; if they bear witness,
then you shall restrict them in the homes until death terminates
their lives, or God makes for them a way out.
416 And the two men who commit it from among you, you shall
trouble them. If they repent and reform, then leave them alone.
God is Redeemer, Merciful.You said defective, while it's well-established a defect most likely is an illness. But look at the verse; how can God tell us to trouble them until they reform? Can a person who's sick in genetic level reform? No, so it means homosexuality has nothing to do with genetics.
Where does the problem lie?
Our worst enemy! Satan. His whispers, over and over and over again.
Salam
Thank you so much for answering my call to try to understand and answer, and I mean it and i appreciate, but, brother , I still dont see punishment for homosexualitu in that verse anywhere. I only see condemnation of adultery and promiscuity
How can God tell us to trouble them until they repent if they can't change their nature?
Maybe because the verse is not talking ablut homosexuality but about adultery?Why hasn't got the Quran a word for homosexuality? You have for thief, for adulterer, for murderer...
Btw I was being sarcastic with the "defective" adjective, i thought it was obvious.
Anyway, that is my point, and I dont expect everybody to share my point so I will leave the topic...
May God guide us all to the truth and best peace