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    virginia
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    Now I have a question for you, tell me how will you feel if you were a fish who had a son and that son was a lion and the lion raped a tree?

    What kind of question is this? Are you questioning my logical reasoning, Mr. Bender? >

    It is obvious how I would feel and what I would do!

    It's all fault of those licentious trees there existing in the world showing their bark soooooo shameless and provoking my poor lion! elektro

    And of course there is only one solution

    CUT THE TREES OFF

    TREES ARE EVIL

    police

    Note this could be fftopic or not...

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      Adem
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      Do you mean that "26165 Of all the creatures in the worlds, you approach males." is an original verse?

      ?Do ye come unto (ie. lie with) the males of the tellurians (ie. humans),
      and forsake what your Lord has proportioned for ye to be your mates/spouses ?!
      Nay, ye are a transgressive folk!? Said Lot, in the Quran.

      If so than you have a good point, even approaching animals would be no problem as long as they are female animals.

      Straw man arguments are invalid.

      But I would also have a very good point with this translation
      5320 What! for you the male sex, and for Him, the female?

      Ignoratio elenchi with quote mining.

      I really like to discuss quran verses but not with somebody who thinks he is playing a game of chess and certainly not with somebody who does not even know the rules of the game. FYI when a chessplayer does not have any legal moves left then he/she is not trying to get stalemated but he/she already is (or mated). you've lost your dignity, pathetic yuck

      Interesting life story! More of that please.

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        Bender
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        What kind of question is this? Are you questioning my logical reasoning, Mr. Bender? >(

        It is obvious how I would feel and what I would do!

        It's all fault of those licentious trees there existing in the world showing their bark soooooo shameless and provoking my poor lion! elektro

        And of course there is only one solution

        CUT THE TREES OFF

        TREES ARE EVIL

        You would have a point if the incident takes place in the winter when they are shamelessly naked, but I am talking about a tree in the summer.

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          Bender
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          Do ye come unto (ie. lay with) the males of the tellurians (ie. humans), and forsake what your Lord has proportioned for ye to be your mates ?! Nay, ye are indeed an intrusive folk !

          Straw man argument.

          There are no brackets in the original, but you can put in brackets wherever you wish to make your point.
          So "Rabbu al3alameen" means "The Rab of the tellurians (ie. humans)"? interesting.

          Ignoratio elenchi and quote mining.

          I am just a simple human male of the tellurians who speaks only dutch, a little bit of broken english and some berber. If you do not mind then try to lower your level of geniusness so that I can also understand what you are saying.
          But my feeling tells me (again) that your use of difficult language is nothing more than dodging.

          Interesting life story! More of that please.

          Only if you make me again a nice piece of art. Do you have a latin speaking cow with glasses in your collection? Would love to see that.

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            Man_of_Faith
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            Wisdom at its best, Bender.

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              The_Sardar
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              Relaaaaaaax and let's do something about tyranny and wars and poor and homeless and plutocracy and oppression because homosexual people is not the people bringing THE EVIL to our world. You don't even know if they are!!! We could learn much more from them.

              And it is soooooooooooo important for God that those gays get punished that He forgot to reveal a chapter for their eternal punishment

              Finally alhamdullilah someone gets it! Allah (SWT) bless dear sister.

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                Adem
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                There are no brackets in the original,

                It's a translation !

                but you can put in brackets wherever you wish to make your point.

                Duh! done so already ???

                So "Rabbu al3alameen" means "The Rab of the tellurians (ie. humans)"? interesting.

                Yes, and "rabbu" too you should translate to english.

                I am just a simple human male of the tellurians who speaks only dutch, a little bit of broken english and some berber.

                Good for you

                If you do not mind then try to lower your level of geniusness so that I can also understand what you are saying.

                I don't have to lower my IQ to teach you what a logical fallacy is !

                But my feeling tells me (again) that your use of difficult language is nothing more than dodging.

                What difficult language ?! You illiterate or something ?

                Do you have a latin speaking cow with glasses in your collection? Would love to see that.

                Latin no, but berber speaking cows are to be found. If you wish to buy one barato, try a flemish nightclub.

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                  imrankhawaja
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                  you've lost your dignity, pathetic yuck

                  hmm so here is the master piece of dignity by you... pathetic on its height .. ignore

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                    imrankhawaja
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                    Do you mean that "26165 Of all the creatures in the worlds, you approach males." is an original verse?
                    If so than you have a good point, even approaching animals would be no problem as long as they are female animals.

                    yes you understand now... male human and female human
                    as well as male animals with female animals produce offsprings..

                    atleast animals are more inline with nature compared to humans .. they know that lion dnt have to rape with tree, rotfl the lioness is there for lion and a lion dnt have to sex with lion rotfl

                    aww i think there is also a sex detrmination in plants if i can recall it correctly ...

                    your own reasonings of LGBT digging the grave of your said claim again and again and again...

                    I really like to discuss quran verses but not with somebody who thinks he is playing a game of chess and certainly not with somebody who does not even know the rules of the game.
                    FYI when a chessplayer does not have any legal moves left then he/she is not trying to get stalemated but he/she already is (or mated).

                    thats what the quality of this game .. losing king have 21 moves when he left alone ... lets have some more moves ... even king is already cornered plantey of times but some kings like to get checkmate again and again.. jedi

                    (27551)
                    a-innakum
                    Why do you
                    (27552)
                    latatna
                    approach
                    (27553)
                    l-rijla
                    the men
                    (27554)
                    shahwatan
                    (with) lust
                    (27555)
                    min
                    instead of
                    (27556)
                    dni
                    instead of
                    (27557)
                    l-nisi
                    the women?

                    Indeed, you are an ignorant people. (27/55)

                    you always welcome to bring your faulty interpreatation for this if you have any objection with this move...

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                      imrankhawaja
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                      And of course there is only one solution

                      CUT THE TREES OFF

                      hahahahaha rotfl rotfl the best solution... ...

                      ok what you will gona do with the animal who is is get raped by human... are we allowed to halal it then eat...?

                      like lamb or goat or cow..

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                        virginia
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #313

                        Ignoratio elenchi with quote mining.

                        a superbia initium sumpsit omnis perditio nope

                        Sofisms are cool when properly used... Wisdom and knowledge are very different things.

                        hahahahaha rotfl rotfl the best solution... ...

                        ok what you will gona do with the animal who is is get raped by human... are we allowed to halal it then eat...?

                        like lamb or goat or cow..

                        Of course not! We cover the goat with burka and we are all fineeeeeeeeee peace
                        rotfl

                        Finally alhamdullilah someone gets it! Allah (SWT) bless dear sister.

                        Aw you group

                        God bless you! sun

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                          Bender
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                          It's a translation !

                          Duh! done so already ???

                          Yes, and "rabbu" too you should translate to english.

                          Good for you

                          I don't have to lower my IQ to teach you what a logical fallacy is !

                          What difficult language ?! You illiterate or something ?

                          Latin no, but berber speaking cows are to be found. If you wish to buy one barato, try a flemish nightclub.

                          The fact still remains that you have absolutely nothing to bring to the 3 verses, exept some expensive latin words, speaking animal pics, and insults to female forum members.

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                            Bender
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                            hmm so here is the master piece of dignity by you... pathetic on its height .. ignore

                            Yes, and every time I see you insult women again (in your case a much older woman) I will loose my dignity and tell you how pathetic it is.

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                              Man_of_Faith
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                              #316

                              People acting like schoolchildren...

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                                Bender
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                                #317

                                yes you understand now... male human and female human
                                as well as male animals with female animals produce offsprings..

                                atleast animals are more inline with nature compared to humans .. they know that lion dnt have to rape with tree, rotfl the lioness is there for lion and a lion dnt have to sex with lion rotfl

                                RED

                                thats what the quality of this game .. losing king have 21 moves when he left alone ... lets have some more moves ... even king is already cornered plantey of times but some kings like to get checkmate again and again.. jedi

                                (27551)
                                a-innakum
                                Why do you
                                (27552)
                                latatna
                                approach
                                (27553)
                                l-rijla
                                the men
                                (27554)
                                shahwatan
                                (with) lust
                                (27555)
                                min
                                instead of
                                (27556)
                                dni
                                instead of
                                (27557)
                                l-nisi
                                the women?

                                Indeed, you are an ignorant people. (27/55)

                                you always welcome to bring your faulty interpreatation for this if you have any objection with this move...

                                rijaal does not mean men but foot.

                                evidence

                                (22276)
                                rijlan
                                (on) foot

                                (22393)
                                farijlan
                                then (pray) on foot


                                (3141)
                                zuyyina
                                Beautified

                                (3142)
                                lilnnsi
                                for mankind (thus also females)

                                (3143)
                                ubbu
                                (is) love

                                (3144)
                                l-shahawti
                                (of) the (things they) desire -

                                (3145)
                                mina
                                of

                                (3146)
                                l-nisi
                                women

                                Thus all women are by nature lesbians. This can be further proved by 2187
                                2187 It has been made permissible for you (males and females) the night preceding fasting to go to your wives .

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                                  Wakas
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                                  Bender, your translation and attempted evidence is poor. Here is a good place to start

                                  Ra-Jiim-Lam = to go on foot, urge with foot, walk, tie by the feet, let (a female) suckle her young, be curly (hair), set free with his mother. rajjala - to comfort anyone, comb the hair, grant a respite. tarajjala - to go down without rope. rijlatun - vigour in walking. rijlun - foot, soldiers, good walker, tramp. arajil - hunters, pedestrian. rajulun - male human being, man, a person with heir. rajilun - foot, footmen (slow walkers). rijlain - two feet. arjul (pl.) - feet.

                                  rajil n.m. (pl. rijal) 2239, 1764, 2227

                                  rajul n.m. (pl. rijal) 2228, 2282, 2282, 2282, 41, 47, 412, 432, 434, 475, 498, 4176, 523, 69, 746, 748, 763, 769, 781, 7155, 9108, 102, 1178, 12109, 1643, 1676, 1747, 1832, 1837, 217, 2325, 2338, 2431, 2437, 258, 2755, 2815, 2820, 2929, 334, 3323, 3340, 347, 3443, 3620, 3862, 3929, 3929, 3929, 4028, 4028, 4331, 4825, 726, 726

                                  rijl n.f. (pl. arjul) 56, 533, 566, 665, 7124, 7195, 2071, 2424, 2431, 2445, 2649, 2955, 3665, 3842, 6012

                                  LL, V3, p 209, 210, 211, 212, 213 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=rjl

                                  All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                                    Aladin_from_Azra_tribe
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                                    So, Bender, rijal in 726 is feet of humans and feet of jinn?

                                    Rejul is induvidual, and rijal is individuals.

                                    And the story of Lut's a.s. people is only about males from his people, marked as "qawm" and "brothers of Lut".
                                    But to understand more about this people should think why Lut's wife was punished.

                                    Cursed are those who're following deen of homosexuals and those who wanna do sin with angels.

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                                      Bender
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                                      #320

                                      Bender, your translation and attempted evidence is poor.

                                      I think you missed my point.
                                      If he (imran) uses corpus quran to make a claim then I am also allowed to use the same source to make a claim.

                                      Here is a good place to start
                                      Ra-Jiim-Lam = to go on foot, urge with foot, walk, tie by the feet, let (a female) suckle her young, be curly (hair), set free with his mother. rajjala - to comfort anyone, comb the hair, grant a respite. tarajjala - to go down without rope. rijlatun - vigour in walking. rijlun - foot, soldiers, good walker, tramp. arajil - hunters, pedestrian. rajulun - male human being, man, a person with heir. rajilun - foot, footmen (slow walkers). rijlain - two feet. arjul (pl.) - feet.

                                      rajil n.m. (pl. rijal) 2239, 1764, 2227

                                      rajul n.m. (pl. rijal) 2228, 2282, 2282, 2282, 41, 47, 412, 432, 434, 475, 498, 4176, 523, 69, 746, 748, 763, 769, 781, 7155, 9108, 102, 1178, 12109, 1643, 1676, 1747, 1832, 1837, 217, 2325, 2338, 2431, 2437, 258, 2755, 2815, 2820, 2929, 334, 3323, 3340, 347, 3443, 3620, 3862, 3929, 3929, 3929, 4028, 4028, 4331, 4825, 726, 726

                                      rijl n.f. (pl. arjul) 56, 533, 566, 665, 7124, 7195, 2071, 2424, 2431, 2445, 2649, 2955, 3665, 3842, 6012

                                      LL, V3, p 209, 210, 211, 212, 213 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=rjl

                                      I don't see why this source is better than corpus quran.

                                      Anyway, I know that a lot of people here use
                                      1 quranic word (root) ==> n interpretations/translations/understandings/concepts/etc (n >= 1)
                                      I totally don't agree with this approach, with this approach I can make every word fit what I want it to be.
                                      I can make rijaal="berber people" in verses where I think it will benefit me, and I can make rijaal="not berber people" where I see some disadvantage for me.
                                      For me 1 quranic word/root ==> 1 interpretation/concept
                                      I don't see any link between "to go on foot" and " let (a female) suckle her young" or "man" etc
                                      But of course everyone is free to study the quran how he/she think it will benefit him/her most.

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                                        Bender
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                                        So, Bender, rijal in 726 is feet of humans and feet of jinn?

                                        No, ofcourse rijaal does not mean foot nor does it mean males/men

                                        Cursed are those who're following deen of homosexuals and those who wanna do sin with angels.

                                        RED what does deen of homosexuals mean?
                                        BLUE I was not planning to do sin with angels, but in case one day when I am to drunk and want to do sin with angels, then how exactly am I going to achieve that?

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                                          Wakas
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                                          Bender,

                                          For me 1 quranic word/root ==> 1 interpretation/concept

                                          Perhaps you can clarify further. Which of the below

                                          1. Are you claiming that an Arabic word should have the same meaning in every Quran occurrence?
                                          2. Are you claiming that an Arabic word should have the same theme/concept (but perhaps slightly different shade of meaning depending on context) in every Quran occurrence?
                                          3. Are you claiming that every derived word(s) from a root should have the same meaning in every Quran occurrence?
                                          4. Are you claiming that every derived word(s) from a root should have the same theme/concept (but perhaps slightly different shade of meaning depending on context) in every Quran occurrence?
                                          5. (1) or (2) or (3) or (4) and every root/word has its own distinct meaning
                                          6. something else, if so please clarify.

                                          Depending on your answer, it may be possible to test your theory.

                                          All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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