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Prophet Muhammad (PbuH) is the "Seal/Final" (="Khatama") of (which) Prophets?

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    I just don't get why the lastday3 is following narrations of Bukhari etc.,
    just read the Gospel and listen to what it says about the Anti-Christ
    and then if you read the story of Bukhari etc. about the Anti-Christ you see two different stories.
    I think they just copy and pasted from the Gospel and added their own doctrine to it to influence people.

    Salaam/Peace Adam,

    I can clearly see that Prophet Jesus (PbuH) and thereafter finally, Prophet Muhammad (PbuH) delivered
    basically the Similar/Same Message with regard to "Anti-Christ" = "Messiah Dajjal,"
    both of Them clearly foretold that there would arise many such "False Christs" = "Messiah Dajjals,"
    in this Final Age, worldwide, first of all,

    so, every Person who would wrongfully and blasphemously proclaim himself to be

    "a Jesus-Incarnate and GOD-Incarnate; and thus an intrinsic Partner or/and a Piece/Portion/Share/Part of GOD!"

    must be such a "False Christ" = "Messiah Dajjal," in this Final Age now,
    as it is clearly and unmistakably foretold in QURAN TESTAMENT here 25/43 & 6/93 & 5/17-18 & .........
    --(and when/if they never repent and reform themselves, even till the very end of their life-span here
    4/17-18 = 25/43 & 6/93)

    (*you can google it or directly go to youtube and see many such "False Christs" = "Messiah Dajjals"
    each of them proclaiming himself to be a Jesus-Incarnate and GOD-Incarnate,
    even with a significant number of followers (=first of all, in Russia, in Phillipines, in Korea, .......... worldwide, now)--


    And then, Prophet Jesus (PbuH) and thereafter finally, Prophet Muhammad (PbuH) delivered
    basically the Similar/Same Message again also with regard to the "True Messiah" = "Messiah Rasool,"

    both of Them clearly foretold that our Lord AL-LAH would send

    a preparing the way Messenger --(as true Mahdee), first of all,
    and immediately thereafter
    the prime "Messenger/MESSAGE of the Covenant" --(as true Messiah), in this Final Age now.
    (*we can clearly see the most Essential and important Verses, in this regard,
    in GOSPEL, and thereafter finally, in QURAN TESTAMENT, clearly and openly, in the previous posts above.)

    these "Two-Messengers" who have truthfully been sent by AL-LAH above
    (*please, absolutely see them in QURAN TESTAMENT 33/64-68,
    clearly and openly, in the previous post above)

    have manifestly and unmistakably delivered this most Essential and Important MESSAGE for all Humanity,
    in this Final Age now, first of all, thus

    Our Lord AL-LAH is ONE (=112/1-4);

    HE is absolutely Different/Separate/Distinct above and beyond
    all things (=i.e. all universe/s and whomever or whatever therein =19/65 = 70/4),
    from the Eternity to the Eternity,
    first of all,

    so, nothing and no one can Never be compared / can Never be likened to HIM (=42/11),

    and nothing and no one can Never be an intrinsic Partner, or a Piece/Portion/Share/Part of HIM (=43/15),

    and nothing and no one can Never be a Spouse, or a Son / Daughter of HIM (=72/1-4).

    This is the most Essential and Important Tenet of "Religion of Universal ISLAM"
    (=i.e. "Surrender to The One God AL-LAH&quot above;
    whoever rejects this most Essential and Important Tenet above,
    will consequently be of such Losers. (=3/85 & 43/15 = 5/17-18, .........)

    And our Lord AL-LAH has thus most Wisely and perfectly coded the Names of
    HIS truthful "Two-Messengers" above, in QURAN TESTAMENT, thus

    preparing the way Messenger (="Rashad&quot is mentioned
    in the whole QURAN TESTAMENT, here

    Chapter No. 18, Verse No. 10, 24 therein,
    Chapter No. 72, Verse No. 10, 14, 21 therein.

    prime "Messenger/MESSAGE of the Covenant (=""Mateen&quot is mentioned
    in the whole QURAN TESTAMENT, here

    Chapter No. 7, Verse No. 183 therein,
    Chapter No. 68, Verse No. 45 therein.

    So here they are,
    in this "Most Wondrous" & "Most Miraculous" perfect Manner,
    now here thus

    Rashad Mateen

    Chapter Chapter Chapter Chapter Chapter Chapter Chapter

    18 18 72 72 72 007 068

    < < < > >

    --and then--
    also

    Mateen Rashad

    Verse Verse Verse Verse Verse Verse Verse

    045 183 10 14 21 24 10
    < < > > > < <

    And
    Thereafter
    --when we add up all of those same Chapter Numbers
    and then
    also all of those Verse Numbers therein above

    Mateen Rashad

    Chapter Chapter Chapter Chapter
    total total total total

    07 68 216 36

    < <

    --and then--
    also

    Rashad Mateen

    Verse Verse Verse Verse
    total total total total

    34 45 45 183

    < <

    =19x...
    =19x...
    =19x...
    =19x...

    ===============
    *Please, absolutely note that
    because that all of the number of digits are perfectly equal
    (=i.e. all of them are perfectly two-digits)
    for/in that "five Chapter and then five Verse Numbers" above, within that first Case therein,
    so all of the number of digits are rightfully placed perfectly equal
    (=i.e. all of them are essentially and perfectly three-digits)
    for/in that "two Chapter and then two Verse Numbers" above, within that first Case again therein.

    We can legitimately and rightfully place all of them essentially and perfectly as three-digits
    in this specific manner therein 007 - 183 & 068 - 045
    because the biggest Chapter No. and the biggest Verse No. in QURAN TESTAMENT
    are thus specifically three-digit Numbers (=114 & 286), respectively.

    by these most Superb and matchless Creation Designs of our One and Only Lord AL-LAH,
    from the very Beginning, here (72/28 = 74/30 = 78/29)!

    --continues in the next post--

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      LastDay3
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      An English translation of the Quran -
      33 He sent down to you the Book with the truth, authenticating what is between his hands;
      and He sent down the Torah and the Gospel.

      But where do we read that we should follow the books of Bukhari, Muslem, Ibn Madja, Tirmidhi, Abo Dawood and Nasai?
      Are they prophets? Why are you attributing their words to God? Or to Mohammed?
      Is it to justify the destruction of verse 128 and 129 of chapter 9?

      Salaam/Peace Adam,

      we clearly see in QURAN TESTAMENT, first of all,
      that we should absolutely believe in the "Words" of Prophet Jesus (PbuH)
      because those "Words" have thus perfectly been taught to him by our Lord AL-LAH
      as "Gospel = Injeel = Good-News" therein,

      and so also all truthful Christians should never abandon it
      but they always must follow and judge therewith, first of all,

      =QURAN TESTAMENT 3/84 = 5/46-47, 68-69

      And we clearly find those "Words" of Prophet Jesus (PbuH) rightfully recorded
      --under the Watchful Eyes of AL-LAH therein 6/59 = 11/56--
      essentially in these 4 Books

      Matthew, and Mark, and Luke, and John

      But I do Not follow what Matthew, or Mark, or Luke, or John have written
      as their personal interpretations/comments/understandings therein,

      but I absolutely follow exclusively and only what Prophet Jesus (PbuH) rightfully said,
      by the Commandment of AL-LAH unto him therein,

      and I understand/perceive/interpret all of those "Words" of Prophet Jesus (PbuH),
      absolutely and only in the Light of QURAN TESTAMENT here

      The Words of Prophet Jesus (PbuH)
      http//www.19covenant19.com/mucize_detay_id168.html
      http//www.19covenant19.com/cms/images/dosyalarim/BIBLICAL-3.pdf

      And thereafter, in exact similar/same manner above,
      we clearly see in QURAN TESTAMENT, first of all,
      that we should absolutely believe in the "Words" of Prophet Muhammad (PbuH)
      because those "Words" have thus perfectly been taught to him by our Lord AL-LAH
      as the "clear-explanation (=bayaan) of the Quran = Reading" therein (Sura Al-Nahl, Ayat 44)

      and so all truthful Arabs (=i.e. Children of Ishmael in Makkah and Arabia therein
      Sura Al-Baqarah, Ayat 127-129 = Sura Al-Shoora, Ayat 7)
      should never abandon it but they always must follow it therein and judge therewith,

      =QURAN TESTAMENT 33/40 = 5/68-69

      And so, we clearly find those "Words" of Prophet Muhammad (PbuH) rightfully recorded
      --under the Watchful Eyes of AL-LAH therein again 6/59 = 11/56--
      essentially in these 6 Books

      Bukhari, and Muslim, and Abi Dawud, and Ibn Majah, and Tirmdhi, and Nasai

      But again, I do Not follow what Bukhari, or Muslim, or Abi Dawud, or Ibn Majah,
      or Tirmdhi, or Nasai have written as their personal interpretations/comments/understandings therein,

      but I absolutely follow exclusively and only what Prophet Muhammad (PbuH) rightfully said,
      by the Commandment of AL-LAH unto him therein,

      and I understand/perceive/interpret all of those "Words" of Prophet Muhammad (PbuH),
      absolutely and only in the Light of QURAN TESTAMENT, Rightfully, here again

      The Words of Prophet Muhammad (PbuH)
      http//www.19covenant19.com/mucize_detay_id170.html
      http//www.19covenant19.com/cms/images/dosyalarim/BIBLICAL-4.pdf

      Is it to justify the destruction of verse 128 and 129 of chapter 9?

      I strongly believe that these Verses 128 and 129
      rightfully and perfectly belong to QURAN, Sura Al-Tawbah therein, first of all.
      I never reject them.

      Because I strongly believe that

      QURAN (rightfully including Sura Al-Tawbah, Verses 128 and 129 therein)
      --with its most Superb and matchless "Literary" Composition-- has been Perfectly
      sent down by our Lord AL-LAH, and thus clearly-explained by Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) therein
      (=Sura Al-Nahl, Ayat 44),

      --due to its Regional "Literary" Language above-- specifically for One Nation Arabs (=i.e. Children of Ishmael
      in Makkah and Arabia therein
      (*please, clearly see it here Sura Al-Baqarah, Ayat 127-129 = Sura Al-Shoora, Ayat 7 =
      Sura Al-Fussilat, Ayat 3)

      and QURAN TESTAMENT (rightfully including Chapter/Sura 9, Verses 1 ......... 127 therein now)
      --with its most Superb and matchless "Mathematic/Scientific" Composition--
      has been Perfectly sent down by our Lord AL-LAH, and thus clearly-explained by the long awaited and anticipated
      "Mahdee" descendant of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) herein (=16/44),

      --due to its Universal "Mathematic/Scientific" Language above-- for All Nations, Worldwide, in this Final Age now

      =QURAN TESTAMENT 13/7 & 21/107-112 & 42/7 & ........

      For this Reason, Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) specifically foretold about
      his long awaited and anticipated "Mahdee" descendant (=i.e. that prime "Messenger/MESSAGE of the Covenant,
      unmistakably foretold in TORAH and GOSPEL and QURAN, as it is clearly and openly presented in the previous posts above)--
      here again thus

      ==========
      Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) said

      If only one Day of this World remained, ALLAH would lengthen that Day,
      till HE sends a "Man" therein who is
      from me, from my family (=i.e. his "Mahdee" descendant above),

      whose name will agree with my name (=i.e. "Muhammad" & "Ahmad&quot
      whose father's name will agree with my father's name (=i.e. "Abdullah&quot,

      and he will be "similar" (="yushbihu&quot to me (=i.e. Prophet Muhammad, PbuH)-- with regard to
      QURANIC-Text (=al-Khuluq; this specific term indicates especially QURANIC-Text,
      in the first place, here Sura Al-Qalam, Ayat 1-4)--

      =====
      *So, here is the (Universal Modern Arabic) QURANIC-Text that is (not exactly the same,
      but) essentially "similar" to this (Regional Traditional Arabic) QURANIC-Text above,
      for all Peoples, worldwide, in this Final Age now

      QURAN TESTAMENT
      http//www.19covenant19.com/mucize_detay_id173.html

      but he will not be "similar" to me (=i.e. Prophet Muhammad again, PbuH)-- with regard to
      QURANIC-Decrees (=al-Khalq; this specific term indicates especially QURANIC-Decrees,
      in the first place, here Sura Al-Qasas, Ayat 68 = Al-Ahzab, Ayat 36)--

      =====
      *So, here is the (Universal Modern Arabic) QURANIC-Decrees that is
      essentially not so "similar" to this (Regional Traditional Arabic) QURANIC-Decrees above,
      for all Peoples, worldwide, in this Final Age now

      QURAN TESTAMENT
      (*Please, certainly see the Introduction therein, in this regard, first of all.)
      http//www.19covenant19.com/mucize_detay_id165.html

      and thus he will fill the Earth with "Equity" and "Justice"
      as it has been filled with "chaos" and "discord" (before the Advent of it).

      Sunan Abi Dawud, Book 38, Hadith 4

      ==========
      Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) said

      ...... He (=i.e. his "Mahdee" descendant above again) will equitably distribute
      the properties/possessions (=2/215, 219 & 8/41),
      and will govern the people by the Instructions (=Sunnah) of their Prophet (PbuH)

      =====
      *he will strongly recommend to all Jews (=i.e. Children of Israel, in Jerusalem and Israel) to follow
      the Decrees/Judgments in TORAH written unto them,
      as clearly delivered to them by their Prophet (=Moses) (PbuH) therein;

      *he will strongly recommend to all Christians (=i.e. Followers of Jesus, in Vatican City) to follow
      the Decrees/Judgments in GOSPEL written unto them,
      as clearly delivered to them by their Prophet (=Jesus) (PbuH) therein;

      *he will strongly recommend to all Arabs (=i.e. Children of Ishmael, in Makkah and Arabia) to follow
      the Decrees/Judgments in QURAN written unto them,
      as clearly delivered to them by their Prophet (=Muhammad) (PbuH) therein.

      =QURAN TESTAMENT 5/44-45 & 5/46-47 & 33/40 = 5/68-69
      http//www.19covenant19.com/mucize_detay_id165.html

      and (thus) he will preach "Islam" (=i.e. "Surrender" to AL-LAH Alone in this Rightful manner
      here 3/84-85)-- in its Essence, unto Earth.

      He will remain seven years, then will be taken-away, and all "Surrenders" (to AL-LAH Alone here =3/84-85)
      will support/pray over him --(here thus =37/181-182).

      Sunan Abi Dawud, Book 38, Hadith 8

      Remain in peace/salaam.


      Whatever I have said that may be perfectly Correct and Right is from AL-LAH,
      and whatever I have said that may be essentially or partially mistaken or wrong
      may only be from my own self (shortcomings forgetfulness, hastiness, etc.) (=34/50)

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        Prophet Muhammad ( &#1605 is the Last and Final Prophet to come with a Shari?ah. There can come no prophet, new or old, after Prophet Muhammad ( &#1605. However, there can come within the Ummah such saintly figures who are conversant with Allah ( &#1604, known as Muhaddathun and Mukallamun. In Sufi terminology, such individuals who are honored with communication by Allah ( &#1604 are ?prophets? in a figurative sense. They project within themselves the characteristics of the Nubuwwah of Prophet Muhammad ( &#1605. However, they do not possess any independent Nubuwwah, but are only reflecting or are a projection of the Nubuwwah of Prophet Muhammad
        That is the true significance of Khatam an-Nubuwwah

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          Peace Israfeel.

          How are you?

          Please explain the term . What does it mean?
          How does GOD "Yusalli" upon someone no longer alive ? What does GOD do to fulfil that?
          Thank you.
          Peace.

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            Bender
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            Salaam/Peace Bender,

            all our Thanks are always absolutely and only to AL-LAH (16/18 = 114).
            Yes, dear Friend, I agree that

            this "ME" must absolutely be referring to "The LORD" here

            ......prepare the way before ME.

            so I basically understand it as ......prepare the way under MY Watchful Eyes.

            Ah ok thx!

            I think, HE is essentially speaking to "Children of Israel" therein,
            admonishing them about their ungratefulness, sinful-actions, betrayals,
            and lack of Trust in The LORD.

            so we can clearly see the whole Chapter (=i.e. Malachi 3) here
            http//biblehub.com/esv/malachi/3.htm

            This Malachi above must be one of the Prophets (=Nabeyyeen) sent to Children of Israel
            after Prophet Moses (PbuH) therein. (=QURAN TESTAMENT 2/87 = 5/44)

            To essentially believe in what was sent-down unto all of these Prophets (=Nabeyyeen) sent to Children of Israel
            after Prophet Moses (PbuH) therein (=5/44) is Absolutely Recommended by our Lord AL-LAH
            unto all truthful believers here (=QURAN TESTAMENT 3/84 = 5/44-45, 68)

            So, due to these specific Verses in Malachi 3/1-3 above, first of all,
            --(as it is clearly and openly presented in my previous post above)--
            I think all Jewish Scholars know very well and have been anticipating the advent of that

            preparing the way Messenger
            and immediately thereafter
            the prime "Messenger/MESSAGE of the Covenant"
            for centuries.
            They know it as "Messiah" (=i.e. "Guided-One" by The LORD)
            and I think they already know (through the clear Prophecies of other major Prophets like Isaiah, Jeremiah, ...... therein
            that "he" would also be a descendant of Prophet David (PbuH), from the very beginning.

            Why would The Lord inform me about some messenger who will come centuries after I die? (this is not question to you, just one of my thought, so I am not waiting for an answer)
            If I was a child of Israel at that time and The Lord said this to me, then I would have said to Him "cool, but what exactly has that to do with me?" (This is an IF statement and the question is to The Lord, so please don't answer)

            ===============
            14- And among us are the Surrenderers (to AL-LAH Alone, as One GOD Who has never taken
            neither a Son, nor a Spouse, nor a Partner, never, at all =17/111),
            and among us are the compromisers.
            As for those who have Surrendered (to AL-LAH Alone, as One GOD Who has never taken
            neither a Son, nor a Spouse, nor a Partner, never, at all =17/111)
            they have sought "Rashad" (=i.e. as a good-best "Messenger/MESSAGE" in this respect here now.)

            QURAN TESTAMENT 72/14

            Brilliant!!!

            I have also some verses for you with some of explanations

            Jesus and The Mahdi are twins
            1929 So she (Mary) pointed to him (Jesus). They (bad guys) said "How can we talk to someone who was with The Mahdi in a cradle?"

            Its better to spend every opportunity to witness and study the amazing moves of Michael Jordan than sallaat, zakaat and good deeds
            298 "Whoever is an enemy to God and His angels, and His messengers, and Gabriel, and Michael (= His Airness, the greatest basketball player of all time), then so God is the enemy to the disbelievers."

            there were no question here so no need to answer

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              good_logic
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              Peace Bender.

              Please allow me to briefly intervene here,only briefly about this,quote

              If I was a child of Israel at that time and The Lord said this to me, then I would have said to Him "cool, but what exactly has that to do with me?" (This is an IF statement and the question is to The Lord, so please don't answer)

              The way I see it, it has everything to do with "every child and adult"of Israel at that time. GOD is simply saying to that generation of Israel that unless they "harken" to His words/message and follow devotedly, He will have no option but to "renew His message" in the future. Why?
              Because the "Devils("humans and Jinns) of that generation will "corrupt the "words/message if they rebel. GOD will then fulfil His promise to the "believers" of the generations that will follow them and re-establish His true message. It is His promise in the message to do so for the sake of all the believers that are to come after each generation of "corrupted/Mujremeen" that will corrupt GOD s message.
              It is part of the process of the trial. GOD has to bring out the true conviction of all those who say they believe in every generation!!!

              GOD bless you.
              Peace.

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                Israfeel
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                Peace Israfeel.

                How are you?

                Please explain the term . What does it mean?
                How does GOD "Yusalli" upon someone no longer alive ? What does GOD do to fulfil that?
                Thank you.
                Peace.

                Allah sends blessings upon the pious souls of the deceased, especially our beloved Prophet

                How do you explain Allah commanding the Believers to send Salawaat upon the Prophet (Sallallahu alahi wasallam)?
                If you don?t send Salawaat it means you don?t consider yourself in the category of ?Those who believe?. And that is true, people who hate the Prophet Sallallahu alaihi wasallam and refuse to send Salawaat upon him can hardly be considered Believers. And you yourself are excluding yourself from ?Those who believe? who are addressed in Surah 3356.
                Also, consider the fact that the word ?Yusalloona? is an imperfect verb, or . It means ?Verily Allah and the Mala?ikah are continuously sending blessings upon the Prophet?.

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                  Also, consider the fact that the word ?Yusalloona? is an imperfect verb, or . It means ?Verily Allah and the Mala?ikah are continuously sending blessings upon the Prophet?.

                  This is Ayat 3351 Here "turji, Tashaa, tuvi, taqarra, yahzanna ..." are all imperfect verbs or . So as per your interpretation all these actions are continuously happening?

                  My teacher told me never to interpret single ayat of AL-Quran without understanding the context.

                  Peace.

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                    This is Ayat 3351 Here "turji, Tashaa, tuvi, taqarra, yahzanna ..." are all imperfect verbs or . So as per your interpretation all these actions are continuously happening?

                    My teacher told me never to interpret single ayat of AL-Quran without understanding the context.

                    Peace.

                    Certainly your teacher is right. I too subscribe to that view. My original point is that Allah is commanding the Believers to send Salawaat upon the Prophet (Sallallahu alaihi wasallam). Someone objected that what is the point of sending Salawaat upon a deceased person. This question reveals that the questioner is someone who denies the life of the hereafter or Hayaat al-Ukhrawi. That is an atheistic or materialist view that after death a person ceases to exist. But of course Al-Quran teaches that after death a person?s existence does not cease, and the soul goes to Allah.
                    Furthermore, no one could answer my argument that here Allah is commanding those who Believe to send Salawaat upon the Prophet (Sallallahu alaihi wasallam). Therefore, if someone says that he is not bound by this commandment, it means he is excluding himself from the category of ?those who believe?.

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                      Certainly your teacher is right. I too subscribe to that view. My original point is that Allah is commanding the Believers to send Salawaat upon the Prophet (Sallallahu alaihi wasallam). Someone objected that what is the point of sending Salawaat upon a deceased person. This question reveals that the questioner is someone who denies the life of the hereafter or Hayaat al-Ukhrawi. That is an atheistic or materialist view that after death a person ceases to exist. But of course Al-Quran teaches that after death a person?s existence does not cease, and the soul goes to Allah.
                      Furthermore, no one could answer my argument that here Allah is commanding those who Believe to send Salawaat upon the Prophet (Sallallahu alaihi wasallam). Therefore, if someone says that he is not bound by this commandment, it means he is excluding himself from the category of ?those who believe?.

                      Thank you but you did not reply to my question that does all imperfect verbs or in ayats before 3356 means continuous action till last day?

                      Also how do you understand yusallimu tasleema in 465? Why sallimu has been translated different in 465 and 3356 by traditional translators?

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                        *my dear friend Bender, although your questions and words always seems
                        to be very short and few in number,
                        but they are very significant and deep and comprehensive in nature,
                        and so they cannot be answered in the same short manner you ask them,
                        so please, do me a Favor and do not ask anymore questions, for now,
                        because I have to go back and do this (=73/1-9), for a specific period of time,
                        and also I may have to post or reply, urgently, in some other Sections here as well,
                        when I come back, we may continue as much/long as you may wish, inshaAL-LAH.

                        I understand, no questions from me again!

                        Allah sends blessings upon the pious souls of the deceased, especially our beloved Prophet

                        How do you explain Allah commanding the Believers to send Salawaat upon the Prophet (Sallallahu alahi wasallam)?
                        If you don?t send Salawaat it means you don?t consider yourself in the category of ?Those who believe?. And that is true, people who hate the Prophet Sallallahu alaihi wasallam and refuse to send Salawaat upon him can hardly be considered Believers. And you yourself are excluding yourself from ?Those who believe? who are addressed in Surah 3356.
                        Also, consider the fact that the word ?Yusalloona? is an imperfect verb, or . It means ?Verily Allah and the Mala?ikah are continuously sending blessings upon the Prophet?.

                        Do you have any idea why the red part is absent here if everyone has to do the sallawaat?
                        472

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                          Peace Israfeel.

                          When GOD mentioned the "Nabi" in any Ayat ,it was when the Nabi was alive. When you say ,quote

                          Allah sends blessings upon the pious souls of the deceased, especially our beloved Prophet

                          How do you explain Allah commanding the Believers to send Salawaat upon the Prophet (Sallallahu alahi wasallam)?
                          If you don?t send Salawaat it means you don?t consider yourself in the category of ?Those who believe?. And that is true, people who hate the Prophet Sallallahu alaihi wasallam and refuse to send Salawaat upon him can hardly be considered Believers. And you yourself are excluding yourself from ?Those who believe? who are addressed in Surah 3356.
                          Also, consider the fact that the word ?Yusalloona? is an imperfect verb, or . It means ?Verily Allah and the Mala?ikah are continuously sending blessings upon the Prophet?.

                          This tells me you do not understand what GOD is saying!!!

                          GOD is asking the believers during the prophets time =i.e when he was alive!!!!- to support the prophet like GOD and His angels support the prophet and to totally submit- A total submission-.GOD is not asking us or them to parrot words that have no meanings whatsoever! Just how do you suppose GOD and His angels send "Sallawat" upon the prophet? Do you think GOD and the angels are repeating words like "Salla allahu alaihi wa sallam"?

                          The same way when GOD asked the believers not to raise their voice above that of the prophet!!! Do you think GOD is asking us to do that now that the prophet is gone?

                          The mind boggles at some logic and understanding of Qoran.

                          However ,you can keep parroting them words if you choose to. A waste of time and effort I would say.
                          GOD bless you.
                          Peace

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                            Salaam Good logic

                            Very well worded but it does not effect those who are "Muqallid" (blind followers of their scholars and imams) ignoring various commands in the Quraan like

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                            When it is said to them ?Follow what Allah has sent down,? they say ?Instead, we would follow that (religion) on which we have found our fathers.? Is it so, even though their fathers had no understanding at all, nor had they been on the right path

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                            When it is said to them, ?Come to what Allah has sent down, and to the Messenger;? they say, ?Sufficient for us is that on which we have found our forefathers.? Is it so, even though their forefathers knew nothing, and had no guidance either.
                            (Translations are not mine)

                            May Allah SWT guide us all to His straight path.

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                              Brilliant!!!

                              I have also some verses for you with some of explanations

                              Jesus and The Mahdi are twins
                              1929 So she (Mary) pointed to him (Jesus). They (bad guys) said
                              "How can we talk to someone who was with The Mahdi in a cradle?"

                              Its better to spend every opportunity to witness and study the amazing moves of Michael Jordan
                              than sallaat, zakaat and good deeds
                              298 "Whoever is an enemy to God and His angels, and His messengers, and Gabriel, and Michael
                              (= His Airness, the greatest basketball player of all time), then so God is the enemy to the disbelievers."

                              there were no question here so no need to answer

                              Salaam/Peace Bender,

                              Okay, I will respect your request above and not going to answer,
                              because I know you are truly an intelligent Man and already know --(perhaps better than anyone of us here)--
                              the clear answers,
                              --(but for all of my other Friends who may still want to clearly see it, they may already be here, in my reply#14-15 above).

                              But I want to emphasize this Fact --(because many of my other Friends --especially, in my home Country--
                              still make the same mistake, again and again)

                              the root word (=ma-ha-da mahdi =19/29)
                              and
                              the root word (=ha-da-ya hadi =39/23),

                              is totally different, from the beginning. Should never be confused.

                              Remain in peace/salaam.


                              Whatever I have said that may be perfectly Correct and Right is from AL-LAH,
                              and whatever I have said that may be essentially or partially mistaken or wrong
                              may only be from my own self (shortcomings forgetfulness, hastiness, etc.) (=34/50)

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                                Prophet Muhammad ( &#1605 is the Last and Final Prophet to come with a Shari?ah.
                                There can come no prophet, new or old, after Prophet Muhammad ( &#1605.
                                However, there can come within the Ummah such saintly figures who are conversant with Allah ( &#1604,
                                known as Muhaddathun and Mukallamun. In Sufi terminology, such individuals who are honored
                                with communication by Allah ( &#1604 are ?prophets? in a figurative sense.
                                They project within themselves the characteristics of the Nubuwwah of Prophet Muhammad ( &#1605.
                                However, they do not possess any independent Nubuwwah, but are only reflecting or are a projection
                                of the Nubuwwah of Prophet Muhammad
                                That is the true significance of Khatam an-Nubuwwah

                                Salaam/Peace be upon you, too, Israfeel,

                                many of those "assumptions" you have made or referred to above
                                are essentially and totally baseless, in my understanding,
                                because I have clearly presented those most Essential and clear Verses here

                                =QURAN TESTAMENT 3/81 = 33/7-8
                                --(*please, carefully see it again, as it is clearly and openly presented in the very first posts above)--
                                which clearly and unmistakably proves that

                                there will come a "Messenger (=Rasool) / MESSAGE of the Covenant" after Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him),

                                and Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) himself knows it very well, from within QURAN, and
                                especially by the Perfect Explanation of AL-LAH, unto him, from the beginning, therein
                                (=Sura, Qiyamah, Verses 17-19)
                                and thus makes most Miraculous and clear Predictions about this
                                most Critical and important "Messenger (=Rasool) / MESSAGE of the Covenant"
                                (*please, absolutely see those most Miraculous and clear Predictions as they are clearly and openly presented
                                in the previous posts above),

                                that no excuse shall never be accepted in the Sight of AL-LAH,
                                because this is absolutely the most Important "Covenant" in the history of Religion,
                                and those who would fail to fulfill this "Covenant" in this Final Age now,
                                will thus regret it, forever, therein

                                =QURAN TESTAMENT 3/81 = 33/7-8
                                --(*please, carefully see it again, as it is clearly and openly presented in the very first posts above)--

                                So here are some other most Essential and clear QURANIC Verses,
                                in this regard here

                                ==========
                                27- And that Day the unjust-one will bite on his/her two-hands and say
                                I wish I had taken the Path (of QURAN TESTAMENT above) with the "Messenger" (=i.e. that
                                long awaited and anticipated "Messenger (=Rasool) / MESSAGE of the Covenant" above).

                                28- Woe to me, I wish I did not take so and so as a friend!

                                29- Because he/she has led me away from the "Reminder" (="Dhikr"
                                a most specific reference to these "19" coded, "Symmetrical Miracles" which are specifically called
                                "Dhikr/Dhikra" here, in the first place 39/"23" = 74/26-30, "31")-- after it came to me.
                                Indeed, the Satan (ultimately) lets down his human victims.

                                30- And the "Messenger" (=i.e. that long awaited and anticipated "Messenger (=Rasool) / MESSAGE of
                                the Covenant" again above) said

                                My LORD, my people have deserted this QURAN --(which strongly and unmistakably emphasizes
                                the Essential Importance of these "19" coded, "Symmetrical Miracles" which are specifically called
                                "Dhikr/Dhikra" here, in the first place, for/in this Final Age now

                                74/26-30, "31"-32-33-34-35-36-37-38-39-40)!

                                31- It is such that We make for every "Informer" (=i.e. also for that long awaited and anticipated
                                "Messenger (=Rasool) / MESSAGE of the Covenant" above)-- rivals from among the criminals.

                                Your LORD will suffice --thus especially, due to on the left side of those "19" coded Tables
                                above now =29/47-- as a "Best-GUIDE", and --due to on the right side of those "19" coded Tables
                                above now =29/49-- as a "Best-HELPER!"

                                QURAN TESTAMENT 25/27-31

                                ==========
                                Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) said

                                ...... Then the black banners will come from the East, and they will kill you (=i.e. humanity)
                                in an unprecedented manner (therein).
                                (*Who could be these People with black banners that would make terror their business,
                                blasphemously and wrongfully using the name of Religion and committing such Gross Sins therein now? =2/205-206)

                                ...... Then Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) said
                                "When you see him --(in those times, strongly condemning all such Gross Sins above =2/205-206
                                and calling them urgently to repent and reform themselves immediately =25/68-71, 72-76)--

                                then pledge your allegiance to him even if you have to crawl over the snow,
                                for that is the Servant of AL-LAH, "Mahdee" (=i.e. that long awaited and anticipated
                                "Messenger (=Rasool) / MESSAGE of the Covenant" above).

                                Sunan Ibn Majah, Book 36, Hadith 159

                                As it has clearly and strongly been emphasized, many times, in the previous posts

                                In essence, the One and Only "Mahdee" is "QURAN TESTAMENT"

                                specifically with its "19" coded, "Symmetrical Miracles" with which our Lord AL-LAH

                                will thus perfectly "Guide" (="Yahdee") all of HIS truthful Servants to the Path of Ultimate Security/Peace/Serenity (=5/16),
                                in this Final Age now

                                ="QURAN TESTAMENT" 74/26-30, "31")!

                                Remain in peace/salaam.


                                Whatever I have said that may be perfectly Correct and Right is from AL-LAH,
                                and whatever I have said that may be essentially or partially mistaken or wrong
                                may only be from my own self (shortcomings forgetfulness, hastiness, etc.) (=34/50)

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                                  Thank you but you did not reply to my question that does all imperfect verbs or in ayats before 3356 means continuous action till last day?

                                  Also how do you understand yusallimu tasleema in 465? Why sallimu has been translated different in 465 and 3356 by traditional translators?

                                  Therefore; your Sustainer Lord swears; they will not believe in the manner acceptable to Allah the Exalted until and unless they might consider and make you the Messenger judge-authority-ruler to decide in matters that have become hardened belief like entrenched tree amongst them.

                                  Afterwards; they would not find hesitative embarrassment in their thoughts about what you the Messenger had ruled-decided in accordance with the Grand Qur'aan .

                                  And they will not be considered as believers unless they might pay you obeisance and salutations; respectfully dignifying.

                                  Ayah 459-70

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                                    Therefore; your Sustainer Lord swears; they will not believe in the manner acceptable to Allah the Exalted until and unless they might consider and make you the Messenger judge-authority-ruler to decide in matters that have become hardened belief like entrenched tree amongst them.

                                    Afterwards; they would not find hesitative embarrassment in their thoughts about what you the Messenger had ruled-decided in accordance with the Grand Qur'aan .

                                    And they will not be considered as believers unless they might pay you obeisance and salutations; respectfully dignifying.

                                    Ayah 459-70

                                    Salaam Mazhar

                                    I respect your interpretation because everyone has the right to have his understanding. The context in red gives me the sense of submission and not salutation. Here are some interpretations at quranix.org

                                    465
                                    465 fla wrbk la yamnwn Hty yHkmwk fyma jr bynhm m la yjdwa fy anfshm Hrja mma qDyt wyslmwa tslyma
                                    Transcription (English)
                                    465 Fala warabbika la yu/minoona hattayuhakkimooka feema shajara baynahum thumma layajidoo fee anfusihim harajan mimma qadaytawayusallimoo tasleeman
                                    Edip-Layth (Quran A Reformist Translation)
                                    465 No, by your Lord, they will not acknowledge until they make you judge in what they dispute with each other, then they will not find in their persons any animosity for what you have decided, and they will yield completely.25
                                    The Monotheist Group (The Quran A Monotheist Translation)
                                    465 No, by your Lord, they will not believe until they make you judge in what they dispute with each other, then they will not find in their souls any animosity for what you have decided, and they will comply completely.
                                    Muhammad Asad (The Message Of Quran)
                                    465 But nay, by thy Sustainer! They do not believe unless they make thee a judge of all on which they disagree among themselves, and then find in their hearts no bar to an acceptance of thy decision and give themselves up in utter self-surrender.84
                                    Rashad Khalifa (The Final Testament)
                                    465 Never indeed, by your Lord; they are not believers unless they come to you to judge in their disputes, then find no hesitation in their hearts whatsoever in accepting your judgment. They must submit a total submission.,
                                    Shabbir Ahmed (Quran As It Explains Itself)
                                    465 By your Lord, they do not really believe unless they make you (O Messenger) a judge in all their disagreements, then find no hesitation in their hearts in accepting your judgment, and submit with full submission.

                                    And this is how greeting is used in the Al-Quran

                                    (4863) bitaiyyatin with a greeting
                                    (10105) wataiyyatuhum And their greeting
                                    (142315) taiyyatuhum their greetings
                                    (246164) taiyyatan a greeting
                                    (2575 taiyyatan (with) greetings
                                    (33441) taiyyatuhum Their greetings

                                    No offence to your understanding. May Allah SWT guide us to good understanding of His Book.

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                                      465 No, by your Lord, they will not acknowledge until they make you judge in what they dispute with each other, then they will not find in their persons any animosity for what you have decided, and they will yield completely.25

                                      A critical read will reveal it is rather meaningless and quite vague a statement.

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                                        The only meaning of khatam is not end or seal (as in the end). Search etymologically. Do not just outright believe common dogma.

                                        Khatam can also refer to the effect or imprint someone or something has. In your narrow scope we can speak of the passage saying "Allah" put a "seal" on their hearts, hearing or eyesight, but it could also be afflicted with, i.e. they were afflicted/affected in their heart, hearing and eyesight.

                                        Be well
                                        Amenuel

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                                          The only meaning of khatam is not end or seal (as in the end). Search etymologically.
                                          Do not just outright believe common dogma.

                                          Khatam can also refer to the effect or imprint someone or something has.
                                          In your narrow scope we can speak of the passage saying "Allah" put a "seal" on their hearts, hearing or eyesight,
                                          but it could also be afflicted with, i.e. they were afflicted/affected in their heart, hearing and eyesight.

                                          Salaam/Peace MoF,

                                          in my understanding, "kha-ta-ma" essentially means the "final/seal/end" of something,
                                          as we can clearly see it in QURAN TESTAMENT, here

                                          if there is "kha-ta-ma" set on the "hearts" or "ears," that is the "final/seal/end" of it,
                                          from that point on, canNot "comprehend," canNot "hear" nothing anymore ...... (=2/7, .....)

                                          if there is "kha-ta-ma" set on the "mouths," that is the "final/seal/end" of it,
                                          from that point on, canNot "talk" nothing anymore ...... (=36/65, ....)

                                          if there is "khi-ta-ma" set in a cup of "drink," that is the "final/seal/end" of it,
                                          from that point on, canNot be "drunk" anymore, it is already finished therein ...... (=83/26, ....)

                                          So, if there is "kha-ta-ma" set on a specific line of Prophets, that is the "final/seal/end" of it,
                                          from that point on, no other Prophet canNot come anymore therein ...... (=33/40, ....)

                                          In this respect, Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) is clearly the "khatama" (="final/seal/end&quot of the Prophets
                                          coming from this specific Ancestral Line of "Ishmael, Al-Yasa, Dha Al-Kifl", from the beginning,
                                          therein

                                          QURAN TESTAMENT 33/40 = 2/127-129 = 38/48
                                          (*please, absolutely see these Verses, clearly and openly, in the very first posts above)

                                          And Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) clearly and unmistakably confirms it
                                          in one of his authentic Message here

                                          ==========
                                          Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) said

                                          And indeed there shall be thirty imposters in/among my "Ummah" (=i.e. in/among "Children of Ishmael" living
                                          in Makkah and Arabia therein =Sura Baqarah, Ayat 127-129)-- each of them claiming that he is a Prophet.

                                          And I am the "khatama" (="final/seal/end&quot of the Prophets, there is no Prophet after me" --(from this
                                          specific Ancestral Line of "Ishmael, Al-Yasa, Dha Al-Kifl", from the beginning, therein
                                          =Sura Baqarah, Ayat 127-129 = Sad, Ayat 48)

                                          Tirmidhi, Book 33, Hadith 62

                                          But on the other hand, "Messenger-Prophet" (="Rasoolan-Nabiyyan" =19/51) can still come
                                          from this other specific Ancestral Line of "Abraham, Isaac, Jacob", from the beginning,
                                          therein

                                          QURAN TESTAMENT 29/27 = 38/45-47
                                          (*please, absolutely see these Verses, clearly and openly, in the very first posts above)

                                          And Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) also knows this Fact very well therein,
                                          by the QURANIC Inspiration and Perfect-Explanation of AL-LAH unto him therein
                                          (=Sura Ali Imran, Ayat 81 = Ahzab, Ayat 7-8), from the beginning, therein,
                                          and so, clearly and unmistakably informs about it in his authentic Messages.
                                          (*please, absolutely see it, clearly and openly, again in the very first posts above)

                                          Remain in peace/salaam.

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