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Does Layl really mean night?

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    bkanwar2
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    971
    Undoubtedly, we have adopted a steady and secure life style by learning, from it, to limit the anxieties regarding Universal mysteries as well overcoming lack of intellectual and spiritual enlightenment.

    972
    What do you know about learning to limit the anxieties regarding Universal mysteries as well overcoming lack of intellectual and spiritual enlightenment?

    973
    The learning to limit anxieties regarding Universal mysteries as well overcoming lack of intellectual and spiritual enlightenment is far better than keeping adherence to that which is apparently bad and morally withdrawn.

    974
    A steady and secure life style shall bring, the faculties of mind and the rationale soul, keeping them attentive to their foundation regarding all affairs.

    975
    Strive for Freedom from vices, until such time the cause of troubles for present state of the existence becomes manifest at all times and places.

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      Wakas
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      Above rendition ignores Quranic cross-reference, grammar and logic.

      In my view, without posting how one can check/verify your rendition, I would class it as nonsense until proven otherwise.

      All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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        Above rendition ignores Quranic cross-reference, grammar and logic.

        In my view, without posting how one can check/verify your rendition, I would class it as nonsense until proven otherwise.

        Salaam Wakas

        You just said what came to my mind after reading this post. Thank you.

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          Above rendition ignores Quranic cross-reference, grammar and logic.

          In my view, without posting how one can check/verify your rendition, I would class it as nonsense until proven otherwise.

          Wakas, I am little surprised about such comments. But may be, I shouldn't anymore. Which verse or words did you try to verify and had problem with? Please elaborate with references so we can have a rationale discussion. Thanks

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            Man_of_Faith
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            I agree it is nonsense and I have said it before. It is simply too much text in the translation to fit the original Arabic to begin with.

            And the translated words have nothing to do with anything in etymology. To be able to translate one has to find some kind of system.

            I am okay if one finds out the meaning of words in lexicons and then can relate to individual letters and their sequence in influence on other words, but this does not follow any structure and there are too many words in the translation compared to the original Arabic.

            Ancient Arabic is not so rich in words that there is no direct English translation even if one might need to look in words that are formal in English today and sometimes archaic.

            The prefixes and suffixes in Arabic might account for a few words in English, but not as many as in this presentation.

            Be well
            Amenuel

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              I agree it is nonsense and I have said it before. It is simply too much text in the translation to fit the original Arabic to begin with.

              And the translated words have nothing to do with anything in etymology. To be able to translate one has to find some kind of system.

              I am okay if one finds out the meaning of words in lexicons and then can relate to individual letters and their sequence in influence on other words, but this does not follow any structure and there are too many words in the translation compared to the original Arabic.

              Ancient Arabic is not so rich in words that there is no direct English translation even if one might need to look in words that are formal in English today and sometimes archaic.

              The prefixes and suffixes in Arabic might account for a few words in English, but not as many as in this presentation.

              Be well
              Amenuel

              Do you guys want to keep shooting of your hips? Or want to have a rationale discussion? If later, lets pick up one word or verse and give your version of the language rule based understanding and I will give mine. Otherwise, I consider waste of time giving explanation after explanation.

              Regards.

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                Man_of_Faith
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                Do you guys want to keep shooting of your hips? Or want to have a rationale discussion? If later, lets pick up one word or verse and give your version of the language rule based understanding and I will give mine. Otherwise, I consider waste of time giving explanation after explanation.

                Regards.

                The opinion is mutual. You must give a valid reason and an explanation of your claim of renditions and best use a word-by-word style. Otherwise you can just pick a claim out of the blue as it seems you do.

                You ought to delve into etymology too and give some references from some kind of source.

                Be well
                Amenuel

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                  971
                  Undoubtedly, we have adopted a steady and secure life style by learning, from it, to limit the anxieties regarding Universal mysteries as well overcoming lack of intellectual and spiritual enlightenment.

                  I guess you have translated as universal mysteries. If so how you came to this conclusion?

                  Regards

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                    I guess you have translated as universal mysteries. If so how you came to this conclusion?

                    Regards

                    The full meanings of this phrase is translated as "limit the anxieties regarding Universal mysteries as well overcoming lack of intellectual and spiritual enlightenment".

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                      Man_of_Faith
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                      The full meanings of this phrase is translated as "limit the anxieties regarding Universal mysteries as well overcoming lack of intellectual and spiritual enlightenment".

                      That is not what he was asking.

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                        The full meanings of this phrase is translated as "limit the anxieties regarding Universal mysteries as well overcoming lack of intellectual and spiritual enlightenment".

                        Thank you. Let me put my question differently as per the title of the thread.

                        What are the meaning of the words "Layl" and "Qadar" as per your translation/understanding?

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