Quran and Pedophilia
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RED Pedophilia is wrong and filthy no matter what time you live or what culture.
God never /cannot promote pedophelia...
one need to think logically..
......... nothing to do with religion the reuslts of these bad choices always infront of headlines from time to time...
peace...
God bless you allDo you remember Ben , once i told you that crime is the outlook of the majority .if people had thought theft is not crime than it is not .
child marriage is very common around the world even today .i know a Madwad lady who was married at the age of 3 to a man of 18 and the same lady is searching alliance for his 14 years old son .
it is very common in Rajasthan.
lets see few links
http//www.aol.com/article/2015/07/01/shocking-picture-shows-a-35-year-old-man-marrying-a-6-year-old-g/21203837/
https//www.newsdeeply.com/womenandgirls/finding-alternative-child-marriage-girls-rajasthan/The reality is child marriage was there in the past and it is there in the present world also .It is religious .even today there is a belief among Hindus if a old man to marries a young virgins his life span will increase . no one bothers about other religions because every one knew that Hinduism is not a true religion .but is makes a world of difference when the same issue comes to Islam .the answer may be that ,Muslims always search Quran and their so called ahadith for solutions and solutions are depend on scholars .they believe their scholars more than their scriptures.
let see the scholar based translation of this verse 65.4
Hilali & Khan
And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the 'Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubts (about their periods), is three months, and for those who have no courses . And for those who are pregnant (whether they are divorced or their husbands are dead), their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is until they deliver (their burdens), and whosoever fears Allah and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him.so this is the proof that some where in the past people used this verse in order to deduce the rulings regarding child marriage
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And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the 'Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubts (about their periods), is three months, and for those who have no courses . And for those who are pregnant (whether they are divorced or their husbands are dead), their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is until they deliver (their burdens), and whosoever fears Allah and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him.
What the verse says is different
from what the translation says...and the waiting period for those who have had no monthly course is three lunar months likewise.
It is clear that the 3-lunar month (shahr) waiting period is for the two parties
to decide whether they shall divorce or not
rather than to find out whether the wife is pregnant or not.They already know she is not pregnant,
otherwise
the waiting period would NOT be measured by lunar months,
it would be measured by monthly courses like in 2228.This part of the verse is about delayed puberty
which is pathologically considered the case if the menarche has failed to occur by the age of 18
(https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_puberty).The lady marries AND divorces
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You are correct real .but i dont why we got struck to the argument of Pedophilia in verse 65.4 when we clearly know that it is classical classification of Amenorrhoea
Verse 65.4
And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women - if you doubt, then their period is three months, and those who have not menstruated. And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth. And whoever fears Allah - He will make for him of his matter ease.Here is the main culprit
Narrated Sahl bin Sad While we were sitting in the company of the Prophet a woman came to him and presented herself (for marriage) to him. The Prophet looked at her, lowering his eyes and raising them, but did not give a reply. One of his companions said, "Marry her to me O Allah's Apostle!" The Prophet asked (him), "Have you got anything?" He said, "I have got nothing." The Prophet said, "Not even an iron ring?" He Sad, "Not even an iron ring, but I will tear my garment into two halves and give her one half and keep the other half." The Prophet; said, "No. Do you know some of the Quran (by heart)?" He said, "Yes." The Prophet said, "Go, I have agreed to marry her to you with what you know of the Qur'an (as her Mahr)." 'And for those who have no courses (i.e. they are still immature). (65.4) And the 'Iddat for the girl before puberty is three months (in the above Verse).Followed by uneducated Muslim scholars.
Blue primary Amenorrhoea
Green and marron secondary Amenorrhoeasince i am not a doctor as well as a biological student ,correct me if i am wrong
Yeah, at least 6 months of skipping is possible. However, irregular menstruation can't prevent pregnancy. In short, the verse is easier to understand when biology is taken into account.
God never /cannot promote pedophelia...
Yeah, the mullahs who say he does should show at least one child marriage example from Quran.
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Here is the main culprit
Narrated Sahl bin Sad While we were sitting in the company of the Prophet a woman came to him and presented herself (for marriage) to him. The Prophet looked at her, lowering his eyes and raising them, but did not give a reply. One of his companions said, "Marry her to me O Allah's Apostle!" The Prophet asked (him), "Have you got anything?" He said, "I have got nothing." The Prophet said, "Not even an iron ring?" He Sad, "Not even an iron ring, but I will tear my garment into two halves and give her one half and keep the other half." The Prophet; said, "No. Do you know some of the Quran (by heart)?" He said, "Yes." The Prophet said, "Go, I have agreed to marry her to you with what you know of the Qur'an (as her Mahr)." 'And for those who have no courses (i.e. they are still immature). (65.4) And the 'Iddat for the girl before puberty is three months (in the above Verse).I am afraid your hadith is not right on the target .interestingly , i did not found any direct hadith to prove the scholars were correct . however, there is mention of "young women " only in tafsirs .i have made my search to find the exact hadith used by Ibn katir ,Asbab Al-Nuzul by Al-Wahidi or by maududi but i could not find them in any of the six books of ahadith .can you able to trace the source of these ahadith mention in tafsirs .is it the manipulation of scholars in the name of hadith?
Followed by uneducated Muslim scholars.
They are over educated )
Yeah, at least 6 months of skipping is possible. However, irregular menstruation can't prevent pregnancy. In short, the verse is easier to understand when biology is taken into account.
But in the case of Primary amenorrhoea menstrual cycles never starts (....those who have not menstruated....)
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I am afraid your hadith is not right on the target .interestingly , i did not found any direct hadith to prove the scholars were correct . however, there is mention of "young women " only in tafsirs .i have made my search to find the exact hadith used by Ibn katir ,Asbab Al-Nuzul by Al-Wahidi or by maududi but i could not find them in any of the six books of ahadith .can you able to trace the source of these ahadith mention in tafsirs .is it the manipulation of scholars in the name of hadith?They are over educated But in the case of Primary amenorrhoea menstrual cycles never starts (....those who have not menstruated....)
https//4.bp.blogspot.com/-88N4pdCtYLU/WGS6h7cLa4I/AAAAAAAAAbI/ZgKxKJNSC_0BwEWWBnTlcucpEUjTpt8ewCLcB/s1600/hadith.png
Mullahs do not use only the 6 hadith books. No two hadith books coming from the same person worldwide are same and our point is that the scholars are wrong.
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Hi,
Is it true that Quran allows intercourse and marriage with girls? I think chapter 65 allows it.Thank you
The law principle is everything allowed unless stated otherwise. So many things we allowed to do in life (do gym, making apps, go by plane, playing football, etc) not because Quran allow them, but because Quran didn't forbid them.
Marry a female who did not yet menstruate is not forbidden, so we may do so. Since marriage is a law bond, then it can only initiated by adult people. Therefore, young girls can only be married by her parents. So it depends on the parents whether they will let their girl marry in young age or not.
Quran 654 itself doesn't specifically allowing marry immature female, but it indeed can be used in case of divorced of a didn't yet menstruate female.
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getting married with with 60 years old man with 20 years old girl is also a bad choice
Can you explain what is bad thing about that?
As long as both of them feel fine, it's just fine. The old man get advantage of the youth of his wife, and the young girl get advantage of the wise, patient, and maybe the prosperity of her husband. What's the problem?
If let's say the old man is died 5 years later when she is still 25, then if God willing she can marry other man. What's the problem?
If let's say after married for a few years the old man health is decreased badly then his wife can't "be satisfied" by him anymore, she has option to propose divorce (with all its legal consequences). What's the problem?
Please broaden your perspective about life instead of being so judgemental by saying this bad and that bad based on popular opinions.
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Can you explain what is bad thing about that?
As long as both of them feel fine, it's just fine. The old man get advantage of the youth of his wife, and the young girl get advantage of the wise, patient, and maybe the prosperity of her husband. What's the problem?
If let's say the old man is died 5 years later when she is still 25, then if God willing she can marry other man. What's the problem?
If let's say after married for a few years the old man health is decreased badly then his wife can't "be satisfied" by him anymore, she has option to propose divorce (with all its legal consequences). What's the problem?
Please broaden your perspective about life instead of being so judgemental by saying this bad and that bad based on popular opinions.
Salam peace
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Can you explain what is bad thing about that?
i was talking about choice , not about thing.. nope
and i also told its depend what somebody is looking... a bad choice for me from your perception may be a good choice for you... choice is just a choice ... some people choose to wear next brand... some choose to wear non branded traditional dress ...
same the people who give priorties in things like money status, targets , feelings they make choices in life/education /job of their nature..
and it has nothing to do with religion thats what i said handshake
just imagine a person get married with at the age of sixty ... most of the cases for a girl who is 20 will make her mind that she will listen these kinds of things... regardless of truth or false...
like .. society comments of old and young couple..
2 age gap can disturb her coz the young fantasies vs old most of the times not work in bed life !
which give her harm more than benefit and in 70 percent cases a rich old man wife have a secret affair ...
and lot more things... due to which sometimes people reaise they make a wrong choice..If let's say after married for a few years the old man health is decreased badly then his wife can't "be satisfied" by him anymore, she has option to propose divorce (with all its legal consequences). What's the problem?
yes my brother there is not a problem for her.. she already set her target and now she is free and successful .. she get what she wanted..
sometimes same go with girls who wanted to become actress
personal choices for sepending and choosing a style of life depends on your targets, rests of the things people usually sacrifice... depend on what are prefrences...infact about death anybody can get died any time depends on the time of individual life.. sometimes younger died in accidents ..
Please broaden your perspective about life instead of being so judgemental by saying this bad and that bad based on popular opinions.
i never based anything on opinions as i know there are more than seven billion living opinions are present with us... but what can we say without opinion people are useless pets.. without choices there is no purpose of life...
willingly or unwillingly everybody make choices for his/her life ... in every field of life including personal life career and stuff... so choices are never bad or good ... but literallly what we mean from bad and good usually based on the results in the end ... sometimes a chaser of career feel so alone in the sceane..
sometimes a chaser of money maker feel himself alone in the late 60z when he realise he wasted his whole life for collecting something what does not actually bellong to him... becoz everybody know death is knocking at our door everysingle second so some people realise hoarding has distracted them untill they see graveyards.. chap 102
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Does not matter what Quran says (at least not in an erroneous sectarian interpretation). Pedophilia is not logically consistent. Mating is for reproduction evolutionary and you do not make a child pregnant which is not ready for the role of a mother.
One wishes to mate due to the instinct of reproduction and the attraction involved in the behavior, but one's spirit takes advantage of the pleasure feeling without the responsibility of an offspring. If the human was only an animal it would function as intended with the drive to mate.
A young teenager might be physically mature enough for such intercourse, but what is the point in it when they do not fully understand its meaning beyond pleasure and instinctive love?
Our point is not to be an animal. Of course one can choose that path, but it is not leading to spiritual growth but sinking into being it, literally and diminishing the true you.
Be well
Amenuel -
The law principle is everything allowed unless stated otherwise. So many things we allowed to do in life (do gym, making apps, go by plane, playing football, etc) not because Quran allow them, but because Quran didn't forbid them.
Not according to Allah. He has given us the brain so we may utilize it for the benefit of all. He has told us to reason and not to be deaf, and dumb which pretty much are the ingredients for growing sheeples. He hates the latter (822) and there is a heavy price to pay for it (10100). Like you have said, Quran doesn?t have instruction for everything in life, but it does tell us to use the brain. You will gradually pick it up from Quran.
Therefore, young girls can only be married by her parents. So it depends on the parents whether they will let their girl marry in young age or not.
Happens in humans? world. But Allah has forbidden parents from being the main voice. They can only ?permit?. No forcing is allowed. Also we find no child marriage in Quran. Instead, Allah links marriageable age to maturity (ability to make judgment). We must also take into account fataytikumu found in verse 425. This is supposed to be young girls (fully grown girls) and not slave girls. That verse also tells us the qualities of the females associated with judgment. Note that a child does not have the ability understand the pleasure of having ?secret lovers? and doing immoral things. Allah rocks!
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But, on being neutral without human bias, from a perspective of animals (which the human body is) there is no such thing as pedophilia. The strongest and influential male mates with the female irrelevant of her age as long as she has started to be fertile. The Homo Sapiens may have a more complicated Mating sequence as an animal, but disregarding the higher mental capability it follows its closest cousin, the primate in the animal world.
Our species with no limitations and no spiritual depth would be polygamous and the more dominant the male the more females it would hold with its strength and the age of the female would not matter. When she is fertile she is a prospective mate.
Those who cannot control themselves in this world show you the signs.
And for someone who does not control themselves a very young female that turned fertile is likely animalistically the most attractive "prey" for a male. This is something Pedophilia shows. There are more pedophiles than you may think, even people are it but suppress their thoughts. From a bodily perspective it is natural. I am sure many men would confess a very young woman (nearly a child) is most attractive.
When it comes to those who turn on non-fertile children this would seem more like a disturbed mind, like abuse in the childhood.
But attraction at the onset of puberty would appear natural, whenever that occurs (earlier in girls and later in boys).
Therefore it is not strange people have Pedophilia in their minds. It is natural to the body. But since we have an excelled spirit we can act more logically and it is not wise to make a female of 9-15 pregnant when she has no good perspective of the world and has no control over her emotions and hormones. I would argue she should be over 20 of age, not even 18 which is the age of legal marriage in many countries.
And only the spiritually dim would seek sexual intercourse for pleasure with the youngster too. Such vain intercourse only for pleasure.
Be well
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as general preferable age between boys and girls should between 35(boys) 25(girls) on average basis or in this period of age gap i mean a healthy strong relation of a girl age 25 to a boy range 25-35 is something normal we can say...
same like education, earning, career, job/business we also have a personal life test throughout the life is family test so we should start preparing at this age ... but on other hand marriage is also necessary for understanding the real purpose of life to see what birth gives a meaning to the purpose of understanding human love regarding the nature... what we can say more..
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I wonder how many of those expressing here views on sexual life of animals have been animals vefore so that they can explain themselves with such self assurance as to how and what annimals do feel. They must have spent many years being animals.
Salaam
There is something called observe behavior, huruf. You do not have to live their life. An animal is completely driven by instinct and does not add its own opinion because it has none.
So if a female animal is fertile and ready for mating, a male animal will seek to mate with it as in the animal world when an animal is fertile then it means she is supposed to become pregnant. That can explain why human males are likely interested in very young females even if most keep their fingers away from who is considered a child by human standards.
We consider someone below 18 a minor, but by nature it is in puberty. If it was without our elevated spirit a species like ours the male would court the female at fertility age which we consider Pedophilia by our standards.
The question is for how long the parents would fight off anyone who seeks to come close to their daughter. The human primate body is also a social being much like other apes.
Considered mankind's earlier history in evolution couples were formed at an early age and a dominant and resourceful man gets the daughter irrelevant of his age. That is very instinctive, but it is how it worked. The one who can provide best and is the most resourceful male interested in their daughter gets her. And the daughter was given away at a much younger age, 13-15 on average.
The son had to first build up his own life, property and social skills in order to become attractive enough to get a healthy female. The males likely reached a 25 before they married taking the life span was lower and their bodies aged faster. It was phenomenal to reach even 60 of age.
In our age it works a little the same although a bit more evolved. The male is still supposed to impress on the female with social skill and often what he got in possession too for the particularly worldly females (more females than one may think). He got to show he can support her and keep her safe to carry their baby. She does not think this way but subconsciously her body makes the decisions for her.
Be well
Amenuel -
as general preferable age between boys and girls should between 35(boys) 25(girls) on average basis or in this period of age gap i mean a healthy strong relation of a girl age 25 to a boy range 25-35 is something normal we can say...
same like education, earning, career, job/business we also have a personal life test throughout the life is family test so we should start preparing at this age ... but on other hand marriage is also necessary for understanding the real purpose of life to see what birth gives a meaning to the purpose of understanding human love regarding the nature... what we can say more..
Most females prefer a male older than themselves. You have statistics to support that. It is a remnant of the instinct.
She seeks a stable household to be kept safe from poverty and insecurity, and instinctively she senses that in an older male.
Usually it is from 2 years up to a common maximum of 7 years older she wants the male to be. Dating sites can reveal it (no I do not have a habit of being on them but I have been curious of human behavior). And this was not very young women but those who were in their 20's. Their maximum set age of the other was often even my age, but seldom below their age and then only 1-2 years. The statistics show the female usually looks intentionally for an older mate, but can stretch down to a male of her own age
Be well
Amenuel -
yes u can say that..
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But, on being neutral without human bias, from a perspective of animals (which the human body is) there is no such thing as pedophilia.
The saddest thing is that it is true in the animal kingdom. We have been dealing with this constant headache for a while now.
So if a female animal is fertile and ready for mating, a male animal will seek to mate with it as in the animal world
It seems that the male animals can even rape the females even if they are just children.
We consider someone below 18 a minor, but by nature it is in puberty. If it was without our elevated spirit a species like ours the male would court the female at fertility age which we consider Pedophilia by our standards.
I think they should raise the age. I feel even at 21, we are not very mature.
The question is for how long the parents would fight off anyone who seeks to come close to their daughter. The human primate body is also a social being much like other apes.
In some societies, it is possible. You will find them in Asia.
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It seems that the male animals can even rape the females even if they are just children.
Like I wrote, animals act upon instincts and have no abstract (free-thinking) intelligence and know not of consequences. If the male is having higher than normal hormone levels it will likely act out on first best female. Scary or not, animals are just doing what they are programmed to do. If nurture is in the "program" they will because they are set to do it and they will do it without any questions (they cannot reflect upon if it is "boring" or not because their thinking cannot extend that far). They can also be tricked into thinking they nurture their own due to forming a pack together with humans. It does not make them human but one only exploits their innate instinct.
I do not intend to declare animals worthless and there is limited slightly more advanced intelligence in certain species of animals, but they are still slaves to their instincts and will fulfill their evolution cycle which means to bring their offspring to live on. Sadly, in very worldly people, which is a huge amount of people in the world, you can see they are not much better than animals and will live their lives doing it just like animals but on another level of course. I mean the principle is the same. Be born, taught how society works, support their family, hoard resources and eventually die. Animals basically live the same lives. More in detail, humans seek activities in life following their instinctive impulses, they compete because that is in their instinct and seek to triumph and be more respected than others. It works exactly the same as in many species of animals.
Might be what happens in human males with a disturbed mind who are dim-witted.
I think they should raise the age. I feel even at 21, we are not very mature.
We become mature slower today because we allow children to be children longer. Children are allowed to play longer. In the past children would be thrown early into adult life and therefore forced to become mature.
I might be starting to become a grumpy old man, but I actually agree children should not play meaningless games for too long and concentrate on studies instead. Children learn motor skill etc to a certain extent, but eventually it becomes just entertainment. Also children's games should be focused on something like edutainment. Children's games need to be supervised. It is not constructive for children on free time to run around with wooden sticks imitating those are rifles and then imagine they shoot each other with them. Children need far more supervision than what we give them today. If children were stimulated they could be university graduates at the age of 18, their minds are so sharp still. A teenager turning 20 could be newly examined doctor on trial. They are childish because we do not control them sufficiently, childishness is "normalized". No one needs to be child for long per se. So much of our lives is wasted because we are not efficient.
But I guess I am a bit utopian, because humans are not that efficient and logical because the instinct has to always be involved.
And perhaps adults need to stop themselves to romanticize violence.
Be well
Amenuel