Fear of God
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Contents of the rejecters, Quran suffices for knowledge...Where is your proof it is the devil in disguise? God be glorified and exalted far above what you describe.
I'm thinking that the devil is your associate, and you're trying to deceive us.Sorry if thats what you got from my reply..? What would I gain from deceiving you. I have no power to guide or deceive you in anyway....your world is associated with your perception of God and reality...and mine is with me....... Its a different language of interpreting things.... it boils down to the perception of your being.......
but anyway... I also hope that you attain peace through your method and be in the state of bliss....
peace
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Sorry if thats what you got from my reply..? What would I gain from deceiving you. I have no power to guide or deceive you in anyway....your world is associated with your perception of God and reality...and mine is with me....... Its a different language of interpreting things.... it boils down to the perception of your being.......
but anyway... I also hope that you attain peace through your method and be in the state of bliss....
peace
So the devil crawls back to his hiding after being exposed. I'm fed up with you rejecters, an annoyance everywhere. Where's the proof to your claim? Stop ignoring and answer what you stand for.
2268 The devil promises you poverty and orders you to immorality,
while God promises forgiveness from Him and grace. God is
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So the devil crawls back to his hiding after being exposed. I'm fed up with you rejecters, an annoyance everywhere. Where's the proof to your claim? Stop ignoring and answer what you stand for.
2268 The devil promises you poverty and orders you to immorality,
while God promises forgiveness from Him and grace. God is
Encompassing, Knowledgeable.What have you exposed submitter..? What can you expose beyond what it is already ..?? You are the proof of yourself......the witness. What else are you looking for when Godliness is within you ? You can only realize if you stop judging. Which God are you talking about that lives outside you ?? Is there such a God who claims to be omnipresent eternal but lives outside you ? Turn the observance from outer to inner ....You will realize who or what God is..
peace
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What have you exposed submitter..? What can you expose beyond what it is already ..?? You are the proof of yourself......the witness. What else are you looking for when Godliness is within you ? You can only realize if you stop judging. Which God are you talking about that lives outside you ?? Is there such a God who claims to be omnipresent eternal but lives outside you ? Turn the observance from outer to inner ....You will realize who or what God is..
peace
Submit to God alone and repent for the imagination you have developed. There is no god except God, and there is none equal to Him.
While God commands us to fear Him, you come here and tell us not to fear Him. Should I listen to God or should I listen to someone who has mixed imagination, buddhism, and the lies of the devil?3175 It is only the devil trying to create fear for his allies, so do not fear
them, but fear Me if you are believers3199 And from the people of the Book are those who believe in God
and what was sent down to you and what was sent down to them;
fearful to God, they do not purchase with the revelations of God
a cheap price. These will have their recompense with their Lord.
For God is swift in reckoning.528 ?If you stretch your hand to kill me, I will not stretch my hand to
kill you, for I fear God, Lord of the worlds.?756 And do not corrupt the earth after it has been made right; and call
on Him fearing and hoping. Surely the mercy of God is near the
righteous.1414 ?And We will let you reside in the land after them. That is for
those who fear My station and fear My warning.1650 They fear their Lord from above them, and they do what they are
commanded.3216 Their sides readily forsake their beds, to call on their Lord out of
fear and hope, and from Our provisions to them they give.5546 And for he who feared the station of his Lord, there will be two
gardens.7940 And as for he who feared the station of his Lord, and prohibited
the self from desire.Here you have been exposed. You insulted our Lord and without any proof to your claim. I previously asked for proof from Quran to your claim, twice, but all you do is speak your own opinion, which is worthless in front of Quran.
And now you have even changed the subject!Salam
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Here you have been exposed. You insulted our Lord and without any proof to your claim. I previously asked for proof from Quran to your claim, twice, but all you do is speak your own opinion, which is worthless in front of Quran.
And now you have even changed the subject!Salam
There is no Us or Our God...speak for yourself pls. You are talking like a cult member just like the sunnis and shias. You are yelling proof proof like a child. How do you Prove that God exist ? by a book..? really..!! Which book did Ibrahim follow to Understand God!! Which book did muhammad study to realize God before Quran was revealed to him !!! Without wisdom the book is just ink and paper with some stories. If you dont have any wisdom to understand the deeper meaning and go beyond words than Quran is nothing more than another object made of paper. Haven't fear already sparked a chain reaction of suffering among muslims ? Fearing(to me being concern) of the consequences and fearing God(like a dictator) is two different thing. God is manifested in everything...... You are failing to comprehend my understanding because you observe God like a character/persona..
peace
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An English translation of the Proverbs - 17 The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of knowledge fools despise wisdom and instruction.
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Peace.
Wisdom and instruction? Fear of God?
Imagine GOD is sending Noah in today s society,the story will go as follows
The Lord spoke to Noah and said, ?In one year, I am going to make it rain and cover the whole earth with water until all flesh is destroyed. But I want you to save the righteous people and two of every kind of living thing on the earth.
Therefore, I am commanding you to build an Ark.? In a flash of lightning, God delivered the specifications for an Ark. In fear and trembling, Noah took the plans and agreed to build the Ark.
?Remember? said the Lord, ?You must complete the Ark and bring everything aboard in one year.?
Exactly one year later, fierce storm clouds covered the earth and all the seas of the earth went into a tumult. The Lord saw that Noah was sitting in his front yard weeping.
?Noah?, He shouted. ?Where is the Ark??
?Lord, please forgive me!? cried Noah. ?I did my best but there were big problems. First, I had to get a permit for construction and your plans did not meet the codes. I had to hire an engineering firm and redraw the plans. Then I got into a fight with the Coast Guard over whether or not the Ark needed a fire sprinkler system and floatation devices. Then my neighbor objected, claiming I was violating zoning ordinances by building the Ark in my front yard, so I had to get a variance from the city planning commission. Then I had problems getting enough wood for the Ark, because there was a ban on cutting trees to protect the Spotted Owl. I finally convinced the Forest Service that I needed the wood to save the owls. However, the Fish & Wildlife Service won?t let me catch any owls. So, no owls.
?The carpenters formed a union and went out on strike. I had to negotiate a settlement with the National Labour Relations Board before anyone would pick up a saw or a hammer. Now I have 16 carpenters on the Ark, but still no owls.
?When I started rounding up the other animals, I got sued by an animal rights group. They objected to me only taking two of each kind aboard. Just when I got the suit dismissed, then I was notified that I could not complete the Ark without filing an environmental impact statement on your proposed flood. They didn?t take very kindly to the idea that they had no jurisdiction over the conduct of the Creator of the universe. Then the Army Corp of Engineers demanded a map of the proposed new flood plain. I sent them a globe.
?Right now, I am trying to resolve a complaint filed with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission that I am practicing discrimination by not taking Godless, unbelieving people aboard. The tax department has seized my assets, claiming that I?m building the Ark in preparation to flee the country to avoid paying taxes. I just got a notice from the state that I owe them some kind of user tax and failed to register the Ark as a ?recreational water craft.?
?Finally, the non-religious got the courts to issue an injunction against further construction of the Ark, saying that since God is flooding the earth, it is a religious event and therefore, unconstitutional. I really don?t think I can finish the Ark for another five or six years,? Noah wailed.
The sky began to clear, the sun began to shine and the seas began to calm. A rainbow arched across the sky. Noah looked up hopefully.
?You mean You are not going to destroy the earth, Lord?? Noah asked.
?No,? said the Lord sadly. ?I don?t have to. The governments are already doing so!.?
Joking apart, is it for fear of the Lord or for the Love of the Lord that one should follow GOD s instructions?
GOD bless.
Peace -
There is no Us or Our God...speak for yourself pls. You are talking like a cult member just like the sunnis and shias. You are yelling proof proof like a child. How do you Prove that God exist ? by a book..? really..!! Which book did Ibrahim follow to Understand God!! Which book did muhammad study to realize God before Quran was revealed to him !!! Without wisdom the book is just ink and paper with some stories. If you dont have any wisdom to understand the deeper meaning and go beyond words than Quran is nothing more than another object made of paper. Haven't fear already sparked a chain reaction of suffering among muslims ? Fearing(to me being concern) of the consequences and fearing God(like a dictator) is two different thing. God is manifested in everything...... You are failing to comprehend my understanding because you observe God like a character/persona..
peace
I'm not failing to understand. God is protecting me from satanic views and I'm thankful to Him. Only the devil would want the servants of God to not fear Him.
PS Still waiting for your proof...
Salam handshake
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So Satan is upon me? I do not fear God. It is more Satan to inflict fear in people. I serve the cause of God and that is not due to fear but because I wish to take a my part.
Be well
Amenuel -
There is no Us or Our God...speak for yourself pls. You are talking like a cult member just like the sunnis and shias. You are yelling proof proof like a child. How do you Prove that God exist ? by a book..? really..!! Which book did Ibrahim follow to Understand God!! Which book did muhammad study to realize God before Quran was revealed to him !!! Without wisdom the book is just ink and paper with some stories. If you dont have any wisdom to understand the deeper meaning and go beyond words than Quran is nothing more than another object made of paper. Haven't fear already sparked a chain reaction of suffering among muslims ? Fearing(to me being concern) of the consequences and fearing God(like a dictator) is two different thing. God is manifested in everything...... You are failing to comprehend my understanding because you observe God like a character/persona..
peace
One does absolutely need wisdom in order to proceed. Wisdom is even worth more than knowledge. Wisdom is to be able to make sense of what you know of something. Without wisdom knowledge means nothing.
With wisdom one is also able to distinguish true knowledge from false knowledge. One can know a lot of knowledge (information), but the question is whether the knowledge is authentic or rightfully interpreted.
Under wisdom comes logic and rationality. It is the ability to filter out the weak links and use what you know in an efficient way. The actual knowledge is not so important and experience of the world can actually teach a thing or two and much can be discovered by mere contemplation. Think of Abraham who could make out about Rabb when there was no Torah, no Injeel and no Quran. Intelligence is not bound to a scripture. A scripture is a tool to help people understand who cannot understand by other means and like a quick reference guide.
The moral lessons you can find clich?s of everywhere in the modern world. Many movies give moral lessons through their manuscript. Much is understandable by common sense because the human is not ill-equipped to understand the consequences of actions.
Be well
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So Satan is upon me? I do not fear God. It is more Satan to inflict fear in people. I serve the cause of God and that is not due to fear but because I wish to take a my part.
Be well
AmenuelYes.
3175 It is only the devil trying to create fear for his allies, so do not fear
them, but fear Me if you are believers.You are rejecting a clear command of God...
Salam
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Why would God want me to fear? Is God a mean person?
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Why would God want me to fear? Is God a mean person?
No, God is the Most Kind...and He's not a person.
If someone fears his Lord, it's a mercy from Him. Why? There are sins which you would stay away from if you fear God. -
No, God is the Most Kind...and He's not a person.
If someone fears his Lord, it's a mercy from Him. Why? There are sins which you would stay away from if you fear God.Can I not stay away from them without fearing God then?
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I recall Parvez Ahmad explaining that fear of God means fearing the consequences of violating God's Law.
Have peace
Anything that seeks to provoke fear in someone I learned is the work of Satan.
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In the Quran it is stated Muslims have to do their best to progress in stages;
- For all there will be ranks from what they did Thy Lord is not unaware of what they do.
- And for ALL there will be ranks from what they do, that He may pay them for their deeds! and they will not be wronged .
I think in the early stages of progress one is likely to be in the state of various fears of the emotional types. These emotional types of fears has their pros and cons. Those who get too stuck in the these primary emotion of fears are not going to progress much.
At the higher stages of progress the type of emotion based fears turned to spiritual based 'fears' which are not within the grasp and control of the emotions . At the higher states of progress what dominates is the fa-ir'habni; warahaban; RHB; fear with reverence and in awe.
- Then We heard his prayer, and bestowed upon him John, and adjusted his wife (to bear a child) for him. Lo! they used to vie one with the other in good deeds, and they cried unto Us in longing and in fear , and were submissive unto Us.
Thus there are two categories of 'fear' of God.
- Kh W F types which are strongly emotion-based
- R H B types which is not emotional but manifest from Tagwa, and higher stages of spiritual progress.
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I still think the English word fear is very inappropriate for use in the context. Fear is when you feel uneasy and afraid of doing things to the extent that you become impaired because so much mental capacity goes on thinking on what fears you.
To be mindful is the possible word to use in that case. One should be mindful of what will happen to oneself, but to walk around in fear is only going to be disabling.
Fear is an instinct and emotional state, and I would urge people to refrain from fear and just do what is required. If people rely on fear in behaving properly in servitude to God they are surely spiritually inadequate. Mindfulness of the obligations to God would be a logical parameter of someone's life.
Be well
Amenuel