51:56 -Ya'budu versus 2:30 -Khalifahtan
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My question is how does 5156 reconciles with 230.
5156
Wama khalaqtu aljinna waal-insa illa liyaAAbudooni
And not I have created the jinn and the mankind except that they worship Me.230
Wa 'Idh Qla Rabbuka Lilmal'ikati 'Inn J
ilun F Al-'Ari Khalfatan Ql 'Atajalu Fh Man Yufsidu Fh Wa Yasfiku Ad-Dim'a Wa Nanu Nusabbiu Biamdika Wa Nuqaddisu Laka Qla 'Inn 'Alamu M L Talamna
And your Lord said to the angels "I am placing a successor on the earth." They said "Will You place in it he who would make corruption in it, and spill blood; while we praise by Your glory, and exalt to You?" He said "I know what you do not know."Is "ya'budu" the main purpose human beings were created for or
is "khalifatan" the main purpose human beings were created and placed on Earth for?
Which purpose is ultimate and primary? -
Peace Nonetheless
Khalifatan is not mentioned in terms of the purpose of creation, simply as a status of a certain part of creation.
I don't see any conflict at all.
Imraan
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Peace Nonetheless
Khalifatan is not mentioned in terms of the purpose of creation, simply as a status of a certain part of creation.
I don't see any conflict at all.
Imraan
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Peace Nonetheless
Khalifatan is not mentioned in terms of the purpose of creation, simply as a status of a certain part of creation.
I don't see any conflict at all.
Imraan
Thanks and I agree.
My view is 5156 is primary which is applicable to jinn, humankind and possibly all things created by Allah.I had a disagreement with someone who insisted very strongly the purpose Allah created humankind was for them to be a Khalifahtan per 230.
Do you have any points to add that Khalifahtan is not a term of the purpose of creation, but simply as a status of a certain part of creation re 230? Thanks.I interpret the khalifahtan in 230 as related to the first man of the 'succeeding generations' "khalaf" that follows.
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Khaifa indeed is not a status, it is successor, that is, it is the human kind that comes after a previous human kind.
Salaam
I wonder;
Adam was a Khalifahtan and he was the first of human being of the humankind .
So can the first human being ever come after a previous humankind.
The above is thus odd and contradictory.Can you explain your point without contradiction?
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Many or several species can have evolved into humans. Some did not continue and dissappeared, some others did continue. Our humanity is the one that has continued till now. So we are a successor humanity, evolved from another species still not human.
The previous one may have been neanhderthal.Of course this may change as discoveries into antropology and prehistory come up, but basically what it means is we are not hte first humanity and adam's people were the ones that became the successor humanity when it became God-conscious.
Salaam
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Many or several species can have evolved into humans. Some did not continue and dissappeared, some others did continue. Our humanity is the one that has continued till now. So we are a successor humanity, evolved from another species still not human.
The previous one may have been neanhderthal.Of course this may change as discoveries into antropology and prehistory come up, but basically what it means is we are not hte first humanity and adam's people were the ones that became the successor humanity when it became God-conscious.
Salaam
Point is the Quran do not recognized the Theory of Evolution at all.
In the Story of Adam, Allah created human beings as a brand new unique species of living beings from clay. Allah created the jinn from fire.
There is no hint of the Theory of Evolution evolving from Homo Erectus to Homo Sapien in the Quran.
The first human being and subsequent generations in the Quran are exactly the same as the present human beings, unless you can prove otherwise?So I don't think your views above would fit with the Quran .
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Point is the Quran do not recognized the Theory of Evolution at all.
In the Story of Adam, Allah created human beings as a brand new unique species of living beings from clay. Allah created the jinn from fire.
There is no hint of the Theory of Evolution evolving from Homo Erectus to Homo Sapien in the Quran.
The first human being and subsequent generations in the Quran are exactly the same as the present human beings, unless you can prove otherwise?So I don't think your views above would fit with the Quran .
quran also do not reject the theory of evolution.. depends whats is the theory...
the theory of darwin is darwin theory of eveolution not associate with God or anyother perosn everyboody have a right to represent their theories of evolution.. and when they bring the evidences for their claims its mean thats a proven fact.. untill that every theory is just a theory...from God point of view.... (evolution)
we created human being in stages...we created human being (first) from the womb of earth..( a human being without self) at first generation
we created every living thing with water(including human)
human was always human even when God did not blow his spirit into him...
goat was always goat
monkey was always monkey...human to monkey or monkey to human , animal to plant , fish to bird... is not proveable and it still considered as missing link becoz everything is perfectly designed and programmed...by God...
the programming of any other species cannot give a mix and match ... same like a computer programme...
if a dot is from here to there the whole output will collapse...
tecHnically the perfected human being what we know as adam .. is the theory of creation instead of evolution...
we started from adam its a creation of perfected human when a saphien mixed with self awareness... (SUCCESSION STAGE)
what i understand the blow of God spirit into human is not a life force its an advancement of awareness and consciousness what we call spirit/realself..before the real self we were more like animals or homospahien without the awareness
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creation and evolution got different meanings through the lens of GOD... -
761 Was there not a time in the past when man was nothing to even be mentioned?(BODY WITHOUT SELF) FIRST GENERATION ALSO EVOLUTION OF HUMANKIND
762 We have created man from a mixed seed; We test him, so We made him hear and see.(SELF AWARENESS PROGRAMMED) SECOND GENERATION ALSO CREATION OF HUMANKIND
763 We have guided him to the path, either to be thankful or to reject.(SUCCESSION STARTED NOW) ON GOING STAGE STARTED FROM ADAM... -
Peace huruf,
Being a successor is a status.
Imraan