From Cairo, Egypt..
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peace New Born,
Welcome to the forum.
Would you mind giving us an update on the situation in Egypt since Sisi took power?
Also you may find these links helpful. I believe they are active in Egypt
http//www.ahl-alquran.com
https//www.facebook.com/Quran4Peace/It doesn't matter even if Prophet Mohamed or Jesus came back as presidents of Egypt. Egyptians by nature are ignorant extremists that would never accept such movements.
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Thank you Man Of Faith, I went through the forum briefly and your replies are really valuable..
Thank you brother Wakas, what situation are you asking about exactly? Freedom of speech or the country in general?
Also Thanks for the link I already know both of them, but they are not useful to me, ahl elquran founder live in the states and he claims to follow Quran alone while he do pray 5 times and do a lot of things exactly like sunni people, while the other link is just a page, not a community..
I can know a lot of monotheist online but I miss face to face interaction with people like me, I gave up things like marriage because I have never met a monotheist female since I found the right path back in 2011.
Have you tried here
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?board=39.0
Make a post there, perhaps someone will answer.
Salam
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Hi Rekkd, I was naive at the beginning and started to preach, I almost got killed after debate in a mosque, you must now be thinking that this is the stupidest thing you ever heard about but I was naive and full of myself back then, I am happy that you got out, pray for me..
Thanks brother Submitter I will give it a go but I doubt someone from different country will be interested..
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Hi Rekkd, I was naive at the beginning and started to preach, I almost got killed after debate in a mosque, you must now be thinking that this is the stupidest thing you ever heard about but I was naive and full of myself back then, I am happy that you got out, pray for me..
Thanks brother Submitter I will give it a go but I doubt someone from different country will be interested..
Why do you call it stupidity? That's courage!
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Why do you call it stupidity? That's courage!
It's not courage because he could get killed or end up in jail, he could even put his whole family at risk. I remember not long ago in a poorer area in Cairo when people found out that some Egyptians living in their area were Shia muslims, they beat them to death (you can find videos online). I read a lot of news articles and blogs of when Atheists are arrested and when they are thrown in prison, the guards usually tell the other prisoners that this person insulted Islam, that guy got beaten everyday by the other prisoners, they would let him sleep next to the toilet and barely let him eat.
When I approached my friends and father about the contradictions and the insanity in ahadith I got negative responses from all of them. My dad said Quranists are kufar, and that we should pick and choose from ahadtih according to what goes well with the Quran lol. how about prayers dad, why are they not mentioned in the quran? YOU WANT US TO ABANDON SUNNAT AL RASOOL!!!? ofc not dad, you're right. When I approached my friends and shared the crazy things you can find in ahadith and told them we should try to discover what is right or wrong, they always changed the subject attacking me saying "you hate the prophet" "the prophet is just another man to you" "you just don't want to perform salat and you're finding an excuse" "you drink and have sex, who are you to talk (Btw I did that when I was a sunni but now they use it against me" "there are people that dedicate their lives to studying islam, they have the answers and you know nothing" "It's your pride" "you think you're too smart" "tell us then how to pray, fast, do pilgrimage, etc.." Btw all my arguments or statements were very logical. However, it's true that people are like blind sheep never thinking about what's right or wrong .. they love to follow their imams and glorify them, they choose to be slaves to other humans.
My latest argument with my friends was about hell, it started with salat then hem saying I'm going to hell. So I asked a simple question "An 80 year old Kafr/Mushrik dies and goes to hell where his/her skin is burned then regenerated and burned again for all eternity by the Most Merciful in existence. does this sentence make sense, is this just, is 80 years equal to eternity?" So ofc they brought some verses from the Quran saying that kufar/mushriks will spend eternity in Hell "khaldeen feha Abada". I said it doesnt make sense, why would God create billions of humans knowing that most of them will fail and then throw them in Hell for all eternity, how is that merciful? Ofc I was called deluded and insane, and that I'm not a believer in God. One friend told me, I accept anything but if you become a kafir we can't be friends lol.
My answer to them, GO F**K YOURSELVES! it's your loss not mine. I know this is long but I believe a person should focus on him or herself and if other people want to discover the truth, they will start by themselves.
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Yeah I learned that the hard way, but I am still thinking of preaching through Facebook, like creating a page and promoting it using paid ads, if I approached thousands and one of them even started to think and ask questions it will be a huge success, all that while hiding my identity of course..
I believe there are people everywhere who can go to the right way if they started putting their beliefs into test, even in Egypt, it's just too risky to go and find them publicly..
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It's not courage because he could get killed or end up in jail, he could even put his whole family at risk. I remember not long ago in a poorer area in Cairo when people found out that some Egyptians living in their area were Shia muslims, they beat them to death (you can find videos online). I read a lot of news articles and blogs of when Atheists are arrested and when they are thrown in prison, the guards usually tell the other prisoners that this person insulted Islam, that guy got beaten everyday by the other prisoners, they would let him sleep next to the toilet and barely let him eat.
When I approached my friends and father about the contradictions and the insanity in ahadith I got negative responses from all of them. My dad said Quranists are kufar, and that we should pick and choose from ahadtih according to what goes well with the Quran lol. how about prayers dad, why are they not mentioned in the quran? YOU WANT US TO ABANDON SUNNAT AL RASOOL!!!? ofc not dad, you're right. When I approached my friends and shared the crazy things you can find in ahadith and told them we should try to discover what is right or wrong, they always changed the subject attacking me saying "you hate the prophet" "the prophet is just another man to you" "you just don't want to perform salat and you're finding an excuse" "you drink and have sex, who are you to talk (Btw I did that when I was a sunni but now they use it against me" "there are people that dedicate their lives to studying islam, they have the answers and you know nothing" "It's your pride" "you think you're too smart" "tell us then how to pray, fast, do pilgrimage, etc.." Btw all my arguments or statements were very logical. However, it's true that people are like blind sheep never thinking about what's right or wrong .. they love to follow their imams and glorify them, they choose to be slaves to other humans.
My latest argument with my friends was about hell, it started with salat then hem saying I'm going to hell. So I asked a simple question "An 80 year old Kafr/Mushrik dies and goes to hell where his/her skin is burned then regenerated and burned again for all eternity by the Most Merciful in existence. does this sentence make sense, is this just, is 80 years equal to eternity?" So ofc they brought some verses from the Quran saying that kufar/mushriks will spend eternity in Hell "khaldeen feha Abada". I said it doesnt make sense, why would God create billions of humans knowing that most of them will fail and then throw them in Hell for all eternity, how is that merciful? Ofc I was called deluded and insane, and that I'm not a believer in God. One friend told me, I accept anything but if you become a kafir we can't be friends lol.
My answer to them, GO F**K YOURSELVES! it's your loss not mine. I know this is long but I believe a person should focus on him or herself and if other people want to discover the truth, they will start by themselves.
Then your "friend" is not a true friend. A friend stands up for their deluded friend throwing themselves into disaster.
Kafir stands for deluded, a covered person, who therefore cannot see straight. It is erroneously being translated as disbeliver while this is incorrect.
A Zalam person, commonly improperly translated as evil means a person in darkness, and who commits ignorant deeds because of their inability to see. These deeds are not necessarily criminal in nature as we see them but detrimental from the person. To be indulgent in this world is a kind of Zalam, dark/ignorant deeds.
A person is not doomed/fated until it is game over. There is no reason to disown anyone even your enemy. Life is not exactly about servitude and worship in that regard but developing, be developed and develop. Improve and be improved.
Eysua said "Do not just care for your neighbor but care for your adversary too"; those who are opposing you, for you shall not oppose anyone for the Ten Directives tells you not to seek to defeat anyone. Many people have misrepresented the directives by finding loopholes in them and "care for your neighbor and be wary of your opponent" has been abused. Therefore it was only sane to elaborate on it saying care for your adversaries too.
Hate your enemies is not a particularly constructive habit. If I was against all those in opposition of me I would hate a lot of people in the world and hate sucks a lot of energy out of a person. It says itself how healthy it is.
Nay, that was absolutely not what Moses had in mind with his original teaching. Words deliberately changed from be wary into hate and care for into love. Passionate love is not a good thing, passion leads into hate. Your "Muslim" friends are following those corrupted teachings. "If you are not with them you are against them", they see it as if they have the honor of their god to defend. It does not hurt them the least in seeing you fail and just stand by and they do not have a divine mission of cleansing the Earth for it was set to corrupt its inhabitants as an innate purpose and it was already known most people would fail and this place is only a temporary location which will be eventually be destroyed and the shall not reside their later. Unfortunately, usually in their delusion, it is them who corrupt the Earth with their dark interpretation of things and in their ignorance they only fulfill the purpose of the world to corrupt. They help the world on its disruptive aim and only walk in the footsteps of their Satans. While they do not perceive it they act as the pawns of darkness in the delusion they do good.
The darkness of this world is contagious, it spreads because any light still lit will fade away because these people cannot see what is truly a good source of lighting and so they walk around extinguishing lights instead and their shady light does not emit much radiance. Due to their fog (in the mind) around them they do not see the strength of lights properly. In fact they are content in their darkness because it suits their covered mind.
If the being of man is light then his body of man is darkness. The one who follows the darkness shall remain in darkness, but the one who discovers their true selves in their being shall be enlightened. Similar to Eysua who said "Find yourself and you shall find your originator/giver/creator". Unless you manage to understand the meaning in "separate the spirit from the flesh" you shall not find yourself because that is the way. The "bodily" we made to be corrupting as the world itself was made so.
Be well
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Al Salam Alaykum everybody,
I am Ahmad 29 years old, monotheist since 2011, before that I was a typical so called sunni Muslim..
I work as software developer..
Its pretty lonely here, I met only 7 monotheists in person, I keep my faith to myself because people here do not tolerate differences, I am trying to relocate to somewhere else as soon as possible despite how hard it is to leave everyone you know and your childhood memories behind..
Anyway I am glad that I found this community and hope that I become a useful member..
God bless you all brothers.
welcome
As a software developer then it should be within your DNA to find any 'fallacy' within your own thinking.. (read finding error within the code that you wrote).
A great asset.. you just need to apply that to a different context..Why relocate?
If more and more tolerance people leaving Egypt.... what future will Egypt hold?
Spread tolerance... you can find many friends and allies not only from people who are within your group / sect but from other group as well.. Especially the oppressed... -
Hi Jafar, thanks for your words
There is no room for spreading anything here, its way worse than you think
Hmmm... perhaps the same 'situation' which made Moses wanted to migrate thousand years ago..
Btw, organized religion (and thus organized indoctrination through network of temples) including "holy scrolls authored by Gods" (which can be procured from the temple) are among the things which were invented by ancient egyptians.
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New Born, what you think about 4351?
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Hmmm... perhaps the same 'situation' which made Moses wanted to migrate thousand years ago..
Btw, organized religion (and thus organized indoctrination through network of temples) including "holy scrolls authored by Gods" (which can be procured from the temple) are among the things which were invented by ancient egyptians.
I don't believe that Mousa ever been to Egypt to be honest, but of course its not as bad as his era but still bad enough..
I also believe organized religion existed way earlier than ancient Egypt
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I don't know that Egypt has "rivers" (3+), maybe you know more.
I wondered also when "Behiret Qaroon" got its name, because ancients called it by other name.
I see that you don't believe that Moosa a.s. was in Egypt, but it seems as some individuals want us to believe so.So, if there's no 3+ rivers which can be recognized as ones mentioned in ayet I asked about, that would be a proper proof that fir'awn wasn't living in Egypt, right?
Since I mentioned it, what you think about word "behiret" used in 5103?
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I don't know that Egypt has "rivers" (3+), maybe you know more.
I wondered also when "Behiret Qaroon" got its name, because ancients called it by other name.
I see that you don't believe that Moosa a.s. was in Egypt, but it seems as some individuals want us to believe so.So, if there's no 3+ rivers which can be recognized as ones mentioned in ayet I asked about, that would be a proper proof that fir'awn wasn't living in Egypt, right?
Since I mentioned it, what you think about word "behiret" used in 5103?
Yes believe that Egypt is not Masr..
Actually I think most of the historic events mentioned in Quraan happened south of Saudi Arabia and Yemen, but it's just a theory I can't know for sure..
I have no idea what Bahiraten means in 5103, never looked into it deeply before
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Yes believe that Egypt is not Masr..
Actually I think most of the historic events mentioned in Quraan happened south of Saudi Arabia and Yemen, but it's just a theory I can't know for sure..
I have no idea what Bahiraten means in 5103, never looked into it deeply before
You didn't tell me if there're 3+ rivers in Egypt today. And if you know when Behiret Qaroon got its name (ancients used different name).
There's a place called Tutoon (ن and I don't know what does that name means, can you help?I asked for Behiret, because Arabs use it for "lake" and I haven't found the connection with ayet 5103. I don't think that Allah swt used any word which we cannot understand today, but dictionaries and lexicons created a lot of confusion. And Arabs too, with their language (which is not lisan of the Qur'an).
Thanks for your reply, anyways.
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You didn't tell me if there're 3+ rivers in Egypt today. And if you know when Behiret Qaroon got its name (ancients used different name).
There's a place called Tutoon (ن and I don't know what does that name means, can you help?I asked for Behiret, because Arabs use it for "lake" and I haven't found the connection with ayet 5103. I don't think that Allah swt used any word which we cannot understand today, but dictionaries and lexicons created a lot of confusion. And Arabs too, with their language (which is not lisan of the Qur'an).
Thanks for your reply, anyways.
Egypt has only one river, and its not an underground river as well, so the description in Quraan doesn't fit Egypt at all..
I dunno why the lake is called Qaroon nowdays, but if you can tamper with history and change the name of a huge and well known country from Egypt to Misr then changing the name of a mere lake is something trivial..
No, lake in Arabic is called Bohaira not Bahera, it's close but still different word.
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Thank you, my friend.
I wish you and all the people of Egypt all best, no matter it's not Misr