Few Questions
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How can you call the words of God spam?
It's sad that i was banned for 7 days because of sharing verses from the Gospel.
You had 8 posts in 10 minutes with single verses from the gospels without any comment or explanation, just copy paste.
What if we all do the same with our favorite book, just copy pasting single verses and sentences.
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This and many more are nothing but spam, we all know were to find gospels to enlighten our souls, no need to make a post of every gospel verse.
Indeed.
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The Quran is speaking about an Injeel that was revealed to Jesus while he was alive. Not about an Injeel that was written years after he died. That means according to my understanding that today's New Testament is not the same as the Injeel the Quran speaks about. Please see this article
http//www.quran-islam.org/articles/part_5/are_previous_scripture_uncorrupted_(P147.htmlPeace.
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1 - How can the Gospels be from God when they were written by men?
they are not.2 - Aren't the Gospels similar to Hadith books? Written many years after Jesus?
yes, similar to hadith, there is some wisdom, but also much religion, hence i wouldnt bother, and skip straight to the source. the torah, or verbal instruction passed on from generation to generation. dont take it literaly.3 - Maybe the Gospel that Allah talks about is not available anymore?
the injeel simply means the good news, the good news is everywhere, repent and amend and be saved, no ifs buts or maybes, simple as that. still there, still in quran.4 - Why should I care about how jesus lived?, because it's the same idea like asking how Mohammad lived and we all know the fabrications.
learn by example, the best example being the life we all live5 - I truly don't believe that God made everything to discover the truth so complicated, yet why is it soo complicated? Do we humans complicate things? Isn't the Quran enough?
you will never find God in any religion, first strive to know yourself, take your free will and use it. scrap religion and focus on truth and being true to yourself, and to your word.
6 - Do you think that the Gospel and the Torah might be different versions of the Quran? But they were lost? Then we called the other books Gospels and Torah?
the quran clearly states in my understanding, it only points to God, just like all pathways or signposts towards the One God of all of us.
7 - The Quran is very different from the Gospels, yet both from God. MOF is going to say interpretation, but shouldnt the Quran be the source to confirm if the Gospel is interpreted right? But if the Quran is interpreted wrong from the beginning then we are pretty much doomed?
again Give up 'Quran Only Religion', and focus on living truthfully and striving for personal excellence
I used to falsely think i was a quran only muslim, then i realized i was quite a hypocrite and that religion acualy is for people who cant handle the truth, untill they can break out of their own religion, as a wise man once told me, 'for every need there is an ego to feed'
just love life and learn, and strive to be the best you you can be, live truthfully and you will discover the truth, strive to emulate God in all his attributes, because it will draw you closer to Him, and Listen to Man of Faith, He has some great advice
peace
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Peace.
Quote From Timotheus
just love life and learn, and strive to be the best you you can be, live truthfully and you will discover the truth, strive to emulate God in all his attributes, because it will draw you closer to Him, and Listen to Man of Faith, He has some great adviceI slighltly disagree.
I would say find out GOD s message and LISTEN TO GOD ,He has the best advice.GOD bless.
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Why do you say listen to me when you would not care how Jesus lived?
The wisdom of Jesus is in what he said and the witted one can see a very spiritual man uttered the phrases in the Biblical Gospels, even if his words are sometimes poorly translated. It takes some due contemplation to fully understand what he meant and in the shade of Quran it is simply not possible because descendants of his enemies made sure to taint it. For example, "I am in the father/originator and the father/originator is in me" fits very poorly with their world view.
There never existed any Injeel as a book. Injeel is the attribute of the information Jesus came with. Many say the word means "good news", but my independent research shows something like 'elaboration'. Jesus elaboration is very clear in the "hadith" as you say when he elaborates on the Ten Commandments. For example, he clears out that adultery begins already when you behold a person of the opposite sex with desire. It is the underlying drive, the sex drive, which should be mended.
Be well
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Peace.
Quote From Timotheus
just love life and learn, and strive to be the best you you can be, live truthfully and you will discover the truth, strive to emulate God in all his attributes, because it will draw you closer to Him, and Listen to Man of Faith, He has some great adviceI slighltly disagree.
I would say find out GOD s message and LISTEN TO GOD ,He has the best advice.GOD bless.
Peace.peace,
i would say you were right, and so was God, sadly i ignored his warnings and now suffer the consequences
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Why do you say listen to me when you would not care how Jesus lived?
The wisdom of Jesus is in what he said and the witted one can see a very spiritual man uttered the phrases in the Biblical Gospels, even if his words are sometimes poorly translated. It takes some due contemplation to fully understand what he meant and in the shade of Quran it is simply not possible because descendants of his enemies made sure to taint it. For example, "I am in the father/originator and the father/originator is in me" fits very poorly with their world view.
There never existed any Injeel as a book. Injeel is the attribute of the information Jesus came with. Many say the word means "good news", but my independent research shows something like 'elaboration'. Jesus elaboration is very clear in the "hadith" as you say when he elaborates on the Ten Commandments. For example, he clears out that adultery begins already when you behold a person of the opposite sex with desire. It is the underlying drive, the sex drive, which should be mended.
Be well
AmenuelMany things in Jesus parables were not original, which doe snot mean that he should not have used. In fat very few things in spirituality are original. Many things from Jesus parables were wrritten before, for instance by ancient egyptians, and they were very old things, which they kept remembering, just as the parables rebrought by Jesus are remembered. They are sound spiritual and moral teachings and that is why they continue to mean a lot.
Just to point out, tht the message has always been the same message even if refreshed by each messenger.
Salaam
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I have found, huruf, that 'Isa, son of Meryem a.s., lived before "Egyptian stories". So, they were not copied into Christianity from Egypt; Christian and Egyptian stories are distorted reality (haqq).
You're right "risal" is always same, but "resool" wasn't.
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Not that I care who is portrayed in those Gospels nor when, but they are Eysua who is mispronounced Isa in Islam. Roman Christianity is a joke, but the written Gospels have nothing to do with them.
My own prediction is that Eysua lived around 300-100BC, i.e. circa 100-300 years before the traditional date and Herod was a Persian satrap (Orod in Persian) while Persia was still defeated after Alexander the Great and had a local ruler under the Roman Empire and Herod was not there in Jerusalem because he was seated in the former fallen palaces (except Persepolis which was burned to the ground, according to a myth due to zealotry).
Be well
Qarael Amenuel