For those who believe the Restricted Temple is in Jerusalem
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The Anti-Christ and the 2nd coming of Jesus, the Son of Mary, the Messiah is written in the Gospel. And God told you in the Quran to believe in the Gospel. So if you are not believing in the coming of the Anti-Christ, and the 2nd coming of the Messiah, then you are disbelieving the Gospel, thus disbelieving in some verses of the Quran.
And don't make an excuse that sectarians believe in a "Mahdi", and in the 2nd coming of the Messiah and the Anti-Christ. They believe in a different one, one eyed, etc. etc. etc. just copy and pasted from the Gospel and added their own doctrines to it.
Your Gospel is corrupt.
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Well if you do not want to study the Torah and the Gospel, and if you want to reject some verses in the Quran, then I wish you good luck with your "we" and "taking back".
Because you have to understand one thing, the Temple is bigger then your knowledge of what you actually think the Temple is at the moment.
Quran still suffices
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Do you really want to "take back" the Dome of The Rock? Else, wait for the 3rd rebuilding, when Jesus, the son of Mary, the Messiah will be sent by God, after the coming of the Anti-Christ. Prepare yourself, your kids, and your blood line.
I will for sure join him whenever he comes, but how will I recognize him? And what is exactly his mission?
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Read the Gospel, it's written in Aramaic. You read in detail about how you can recognize the Anti-Christ and the Messiah.
Are you by any chance Adam The Warner?
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Do you really understand what you are saying?
How can someone say "I am not of the people of the Quran", and say I believe in it, but I don't need it.
May the Lord guide you, and may He guide me.
Oh, I meant Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi with that. I didn't mention your name there. I was thinking that you would have understood the context.
To be honest, I still have to read some Scriptures that can be found in the Bible. So I still have to learn a lot about the Temple. It's better for me to stop this discussion.
All I have learned, and what I wanted to tell you is, read the Torah and the Gospel if you want to understand the Quran with Light and Guidance. God told us that the Torah and the Gospel are a Light and a Guidance, and He told us to believe in it.
Saying that you believe in something, while the believe haven't entered your heart is another thing. I should take that statement not seriously. Just look in the mirror, and ask yourself What would you think about someone telling you that he believes in the Quran, but yet he rejects it, doesn't want to read it, doesn't want to believe in what is written in it, doesn't want to follow it etc.
It means, I believe in it, but I don't judge by it. Quran suffices...
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Bring us your proof that the Gospel is changed?
Maybe The Gospels never changed but the indjieel as it is used in the quran can never be The Gospels you are are talking about.
The Gospels have authors like Matthew who narrate the life of a person called Jesus, if the Indjieel is the same as The Gospels then you are saying God gave Jesus a book with his own life in it, written/composed by someone who is believed to have written/composed it a couple of decades after Jesus died. So Jesus could actually read his own future in a written book given to him by God and written by someone else.
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Tell us, who are these people in 547,
ahl al indjeel
and what is the Gospel then?
narrations about a person called Jesus
Or are you rejecting the Gospel, and just assuming because other people are saying it also?
I am not rejecting the Gospels I have one at home yes never read it though but I am not rejecting the book, it has a nice place in my bookcase.
I am just saying indjeel in the quran is not the book I have at home. -
I am just saying indjeel in the quran is not the book I have at home.
and no body actually have that in home.. along with other scriptures that mention in quran..
it seems God never planned to preserve those scriptures due to a reason.. ?
logically its also a hint for people to come towards the path of peacemaking system.. the system of God alone..
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and no body actually have that in home.. along with other scriptures that mention in quran..
it seems God never planned to preserve those scriptures due to a reason.. ?
logically its also a hint for people to come towards the path of peacemaking system.. the system of God alone..
Or it is a no book in the first place?
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Salam,
I think I'm asking the wrong question...
Are there any members here who thinks the Restricted Temple is in Jerusalem?
Salam
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By Arabic words, yes, but the meaning is lost in interpretation.
Jerusalem was a jerusalem which is a model for the people by definition of the original meaning of the word. Jerusalem, or Ye ' rasela ' m as it should be pronounced and understood properly, i.e. the word rasool is used in the word. Almesejed alharam is "proper/goodly submission" as in doing the right thing, and that the modern Jerusalem before its fall did not represent.
But Mekka does hardly represent proper procedure either, if it ever did since Islam is the work of delusional clergymen.
This is how these clergymen wished to move the "MH" to Mekka because they saw that they purified their old creed and were true to Abraham. Their problem is that they thought MH was a physical building and not the actual teaching being practiced itself. Instead, that building in Mekka became a Pagan symbol which people venerated much like the temple in Jerusalem. They put the holiness of God into a lifeless building of stone while no structure is holier than its inhabitants at any time. No physical object can ever be holy. If the practitioners at a location are sound (Islam) then they represent MH, but unless they are there cannot be any MH.
And MH is in the mind of a person or people.
It is true, Sejeda means submission while Islam does not but refers to what is in soundness/order/balance/harmony. Its antonyms are disorder, chaos and imbalance.
Be well
Qarael Amenuel -
By Arabic words, yes, but the meaning is lost in interpretation.
Jerusalem was a jerusalem which is a model for the people by definition of the original meaning of the word. Jerusalem, or Ye ' rasela ' m as it should be pronounced and understood properly, i.e. the word rasool is used in the word. Almesejed alharam is "proper/goodly submission" as in doing the right thing, and that the modern Jerusalem before its fall did not represent.
But Mekka does hardly represent proper procedure either, if it ever did since Islam is the work of delusional clergymen.
This is how these clergymen wished to move the "MH" to Mekka because they saw that they purified their old creed and were true to Abraham. Their problem is that they thought MH was a physical building and not the actual teaching being practiced itself. Instead, that building in Mekka became a Pagan symbol which people venerated much like the temple in Jerusalem. They put the holiness of God into a lifeless building of stone while no structure is holier than its inhabitants at any time. No physical object can ever be holy. If the practitioners at a location are sound (Islam) then they represent MH, but unless they are there cannot be any MH.
And MH is in the mind of a person or people.
It is true, Sejeda means submission while Islam does not but refers to what is in soundness/order/balance/harmony. Its antonyms are disorder, chaos and imbalance.
Be well
Qarael AmenuelIs that a yes or no?
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Salam,
I think I'm asking the wrong question...
Are there any members here who thinks the Restricted Temple is in Jerusalem?
Salam
I'm absolutely convinced it is.
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I'm absolutely convinced it is.
Nice )
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Salam,
So how are we supposed to take back the Temple as is said in Quran?
We don't even have a leader, and we aren't that unified yet. Maybe it's not in our lifetime? Are there any more information in Quran regarding the believers retaking the Temple?
This is just speculating. What do you think?
Answering your initial question. I don't think the point is to take it back. Quran promised the believers would take it back (from the byzantine Romans) which they historically did in 637 AD after a bloodless surrender.
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Answering your initial question. I don't think the point is to take it back. Quran promised the believers would take it back (from the byzantine Romans) which they historically did in 637 AD after a bloodless surrender.
Yes some information don't add up.
Sure the believers during Muhammed's time took back the Temple. But it wasn't from the Children of Israel? Wasn't it from the Romans?
Then we are told the Children of Israel will be a mixed crowd. Today we have such, and they are in control of the area. I truly believe that the verses regarding retaking the Temple hasn't occurred yet, and that the believers, today or tomorrow will engage in something to retake it.
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Perhaps this is how?
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In the name of God, the Almighty, the Merciful.
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When the victory of God and conquest comes.
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And you see the people entering into the system of God in flocks.
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You shall glorify the grace of your Lord, and seek His forgiveness; for He is the Redeemer.