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75:34-35 and "woe"أَوْلَىٰ

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    virginia
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    Peace all peace

    Reading last sentence in 4720

    FM online translation It thus revealed them.
    Sahih International And more appropriate for them
    Yusuf Ali But more fitting for them

    is translated with the meaning of "thus more appropiate", and it is a noun. The root

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    Project root list
    Waw-Lam-Ya = to be close, near, follow, be up to.
    Yaluuna (imp. 3rd. p. m. plu.) They are near.
    Wallaa (prf 3rd. p. m. sing. II. from Walla, Yuwallii) Turned.
    Wallaita (prf. 2nd. p. m. sing. II.) Thou hast turned.
    Wallan (prf 3rd. p. m. plu. II.) They turned.
    Wallaitum (prf 2nd. p. m. plu. II.) You turned.
    Yuwalli (imp. 3rd. p. m. sing. II) He turns.
    Yuwallauna jyr (imp. 3rd. p. m. II. emp.) They would turn.
    Yuwalluuna (imp. 3rd. p. m. plu. II.) They will turn.
    Yuwalluu (imp. 3rd. p. m. plu. II. final nun dropped) They shall turn.
    Tuwalluuna (imp. 2nd. p. m. plu. II.) Ye turn.
    Tawalluu (imp. 2nd. p. m. plu.) Ye will turn.
    Muwallii (imp. 1st. p. plu. II.) Do we let them have power; We shall keep close; We cause to turn.
    Muwalliyanna (imp. 1st. p. plu. IL emp.) We surely cause to turn, We will let (him) pursue the way.
    Walli (prt. m. sing. II.) Turn thou.
    Walluu (prt. m. plu. II.) Turn ye.
    Tawalla (prf. 3rd. p. m. sing. V.) Turneth away; He undertook, is in authority, took as friend.
    Tawallau (prf. 3rd. p. m. plu. V.) They turned away, took for friend.
    Tawallaitum (prf 2nd. p. m. plu. V.) Ye turned away, went back.
    Yatawalla (imp. 3rd. p. m. plu. V.) He turns away; protects, defends, deals friendly.
    Yutawalluu (imp. 3rd. p. m. plu. final nun dropped) They make friend; They turn back.
    Yatawallauna (imp. 3rd. p. m. plu. V.) They turn away, make friends.
    Yatawalluu (imp. 2nd. p. m. plu. final nun dropped) They turn away, make friends.
    Tatawallau (imp. 2nd. p. m. plu.) Ye turn away, make friends.
    Tawalla (prt. m. sing. V.) Turn away.
    Waalin (act. pic. m. sing.) Defender; Protector friend; Helping friend.
    Walii (ap-der. m. sing.) Protecting benefactor; Helper; Ally; Successor; Heir; Guardian.
    Auliyaa'u (n. plu. of Walii) Defenders etc.
    Walaayat (v. n.) Protection; Inheritance.
    Aulaa (elative) Nearest; Closer; Better claim; Woe.
    Auliyaan (elative dual) Two nearest ones.
    Maulaa (ap-der. m. sing. IV.) Patron; Friend; Owner; Master; Protector; Benefactor.
    Mawaali (n. plu.) Inheritors; Kinsfolk; Clients; Friends; Wards.
    Muwalliihaa (ap-der. m. sing. II.) Bears up; One who turns to; One to whom one turns his attention; Which one makes dominant over him; Focal point.
    verb 5
    tawalla (prf. 3rd. m. sing.) - turneth away.
    tawallau (prf. 3rd. m. pl.) - they turned away.
    tawallaitum (prf. 2nd. m. pl.) - ye turned away.
    yatawalla (impf. 3rd. m. pl.) - he turns away.

    But then exactly the same form is used in 7534 and 7535 twice

    Translations
    FM Woe to you and woe to you
    Yusuf Ali Woe to thee, (O men!), yea, woe!
    Sahih International Woe to you, and woe!

    Also the form is found in, for example

    4135 (FM translation) O you who believe, stand with justice as witnesses to God, even if against yourselves, or the parents or the relatives. Even if he be rich or poor, God is more worthy of them, so do not follow desire into being unjust. And if you twist or turn away, then God is Expert over what you do.

    It only means / is translated as "woe" in 7534 and 7535

    And I just can't get clear in my mind the reason why "more appropiate / close / near / follow" etc. bears clearly the nuance of "woe" in 7534... What am I missing? '(

    Thanks in advance.

    Have a great day sun

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      this root is a way more complicated , becoz its usage and words deriverd from same root have different meanings .. so you have to check the full sentence with cross refrencing for understanding properly...

      gentle lady you are hunting roots now a days ... yes

      if you look the same word in 19 70 and 875 you will see a difference there again...

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        virginia
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        this root is a way more complicated , becoz its usage and words deriverd from same root have different meanings .. so you have to check the full sentence with cross refrencing for understanding properly...

        Dunno... i remember wayl being used for woe and this one sounded weird being "woe" only there ???

        gentle lady you are hunting roots now a days ... yes

        Only for good angel

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          Only for good angel

          then we are group with you like this...

          by the way my last post was 2526 then your post started from 270 what a sequence ... !

          a loop of numbers 2526270 i wish i had a cell number like this lol

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            Salaam

            Root meanings of are

            Project root list
            Waw-Lam-Ya = to be close, near, follow, be up to.

            We use idioms and phrases in any language to convey certain meanings. When we say "at an arm's length" we know what is meant.

            Similarly in Arabic when it is said it literally means "nearer to you so nearer to you" but metaphorically it means destruction is nearer to you.( Ref Lughat-ul-Quran by Parvez Ahmad http//qes.no/Lughat/LughatVolum-IV.pdf)

            Hope it helps

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              virginia
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              Salaam

              Root meanings of are

              Project root list
              Waw-Lam-Ya = to be close, near, follow, be up to.

              We use idioms and phrases in any language to convey certain meanings. When we say "at an arm's length" we know what is meant.

              Similarly in Arabic when it is said it literally means "nearer to you so nearer to you" but metaphorically it means destruction is nearer to you.( Ref Lughat-ul-Quran by Parvez Ahmad http//qes.no/Lughat/LughatVolum-IV.pdf)

              Hope it helps

              Thank you so much for your time, of course it does help, although still from "you are worthy of it" or something like that to a hard "woe to you" looks a bit... weird? But maybe the reiteration is they key, as you said, and in any case meanings are close

              Have a great day sun

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