All religions + pseudo spiritual teachings are unnatural
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no actually i did not explain anyting to you at all, specially what you ask.. i just finish my topic what was on moral...
so you dnt need to give me credit of explaining "morale" obviously becoz i was not hunting "morale" i m on about moral...
so the moral of this story is ... always correct your spellings before asking things or replying things.. i will also never forget that... bravo bravo bravo bravo
thats why i said i have different understandings of things and it may not work for you hmm
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hansolo,
he question you asks answers itself. human nature is precisely that being able to go against itself, being able to change itself, that its natura, being able to estroy ktself. That is its nature. And that happens because precisely its nature is, as que Qur'an says an arguing nature, a thiking nature. Inspiration and guidance come to help along rule that nature, handle it and since it is able to change , change for the better, transcend itself.
Humans whho merely follow I would not say instinct, but appetites, are mere beasts by choice, becase they may think htat if they do nto follow their appetites they are loosers. It does not mean however that appetites must never be followed but that again is a part of human nature, the need to determine to what extent you are going to follow your appetites and when you are going to not follow them and pursue something else.Al that is nature.
Salaam
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Hansolo,
You write in a way that one cannot interpret your point with what you are arguing for. Could you please clarify?
Do you mean that because all animals were made to have no resistance to instincts, humans are a disgrace because they can go against the instinct?
Or, are those who go against the instinct a disgrace?
And why is that?
Be well
Qarael Amenuel -
Man of Faith, all Im trying to say is that there is no "Good" or "Bad" in Nature/reality. Everything simply "Is". Of course every action has an opposite reaction. Actions can be beneficial or harmfull. However, everything in nature just simply is.
Most peoples lives are structured and put into a bubble of "good" and "bad". Which essentially comes from religions. Even though most people might not be realizing it, that even the atheist beliefs are based on this principles of duality, the principles of Good" and bad, thus Atheism is no different than any other religions in this case. in this principles.
Emotions for example which are feelings expressed by the Soul trough the body, are almost always nowadays put into a category into a bubble of "Good" or "Bad", so there is two sides basically. Either Good or Bad. The things is, this is not Natural and not how things supposed to be.
In Nature everything is just IS, Nature does not Rate or Judge. Its Humans who do, putting things into categories, creating false illusions and unnatural rules etc. Living this way is so destructive to your being, it is going to make you miserable, guaranteed, because it is not natural. It is not how Nature/Reality works.
This is also similar to people who believe in "Time", that there is a structured line of time and we move from year to year, month to month, and so on. But it doesn't work that way. If you believe in Jesus for example. We are still on the same earth that Jesus lived in, we are still on the same time, we are still in the same year so to speak. Because nothing as such has changed, no time has actually gone by, even if it is 2000 years now. Because thats just man made, because all thats is really happening is bacteria and cells moving from one space to another, but this movement is not time, it is nonsense to belief as such. It is quite similar in believing in the "good" and "bad" thing. Thats just men putting structures onto everything in nature, when in Nature everything is just "Is".
One comes into the trap choosing a side in the world. If one is religious or not, it doesn't even matter. There is so many other mind traps/illusion, I bet you know most of them. ( Gough, Gough, Political beliefs, social beliefs etc.) So even if you're christian or you are a satanist and you believe that what you are doing is good or bad, doesn't make sense, because everybody welcomes or doesn't welcomes something else, so one can never be doing something welcoming or not welcoming meaning good ro bad to everybody. Thats just one of the reasons why it doesn't make sene. the essential point is that if you have chosen this sides, you are missing out on so much. Because all this stuff which is scattered around the reality/nature, the are all beautiful in how they are, because they all around a part of the nature/reality.
Just because there is Day & Night, doesn't mean that there is "Good" or "Bad". It just means that nature welcomes both of these things. If it was not intended to Be, it would have not existed in the first place. So Life is simply an experience in nature. Good and Bad only works for each individual. So when for example i want to eat something sweet and there is a choice between some meals i would say that the sweeter stuff is good because at that movement i welcomed it more, so good and bad as such in that way can be used and of course it works, it is logical so to say. So just because there is duality in many ways as you see in nature/reality it doesn't mean that it is "good" or "bad". it is something very different. And the simplest way to indretsand this is, if something wasn't welcomed by nature it wouldn't be there in the first place.
There is no place other than nature/reality, one cannot run from nature/reality, one cannot run from himself/herself/nature/the-real-you
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If you mean good as in good and bad as evil, I can agree with you. Evilness is subjective. It is better to call evilness delusion or darkness or even pure ignorance.
There are some conceptual viewpoints which you need to reconsider though.
Time is relative, but it does not mean there were no sequences since Jesus. There has been from point A to B since 2000 years ago, even if years are experienced in a certain way for human beings on Earth. The universe is linear in that regard even if time is experienced differently depending on the relativity.
I know how you may think now and still it is right depending on someone not having to experience Earth binding, 2000 years ago would be like yesterday. And it is for the soul too, it can still be present 2000 years ago as if it was yesterday, just as I can remember my past life as if it was only some decades ago and it has been millennia, but since I have not experienced the time frame in between it feels recent.
Nature is according to something which has been determined. The animals behave according to what has been decided and there is no good or evil thus. Even humans who lack a developed spirit of their soul are basically animals following a determination and it is called act on instinct and so you could say also here that there is no evil. But for humans, being susceptible to the instinct is darkness and it shows a lack of development. The reason for that is the imposed delusion by the world itself.
I can see you have been influenced by some doctrine which is false because you say people do things against nature unless I misunderstand what you mean. You can do something which is constructive and logical while you can do something which is ignorant. It is possible to do something which is detrimental to your spiritual well-being, so you can basically do something which is wrong in order to grow, but it is not necessarily evil. Calling something evil is an emotional reaction, but it can be dark (something you do when you cannot see).
Nature is there as a challenge, your challenge, and if you accept nature as natural then you are in deep trouble.
Be well
Qarael Amenuel -
Nature is there as a challenge, your challenge, and if you accept nature as natural then you are in deep trouble.
this is some interesting line from you after ages.. )
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so God created this reality to see who are better at fighting against the influences this nature/reality is summoning upon them?
God already knew the answer.. since no information is hidden from him.. from any space or time dimension...
God doesn't have any needs so He need not any objective..Man of Faith, all Im trying to say is that there is no "Good" or "Bad" in Nature/reality. Everything simply "Is".
Agree with you on this one...
In order to experience "Good" or "Bad" one need to put a "PERSPECTIVE"... from which angle / subject / point of observation one judge something is good or bad.
Gigantic meteor strikes causing the death and extinction of millions of species..
BAD from the perspective of species who wanted to stay alive and prolonged their progeny. (reads Reptiles->Dinosaur)
GOOD from the perspective of new species which shall grow due to extinction of the millions of species (read Mammals->Human)A racist supremacist Adolf Hitler starting a holy crusade for the glory of Aryan race and Lebensraum (Living space for the Aryan race)
BAD from the perspective of the Untermensch (Sub human / non Aryan race / Jews, Gypsies, Slavs) as Adolf was aiming for genocide and slavery upon them.
GOOD from the perspective of the Germans and other South Asians / African people as Mr. Adolf waged war against their colonizer (Brits, French), destroyed their financial resources and opening an opportunity for independence (give birth to new and emancipated country of India, Pakistan->Bangladesh, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Malaya, Singapore, Ghana, Nigeria etc..)Having said that, human and also other mammals have the gift of 'empathy'.. it's a natural gift.. it doesn't need any religion or spiritual cult to flourish.. infact religious (read unquestionable) doctrine usually was used to suppress the human feeling of empathy...
It enable human to see things from 'the other side'... observing the other side perspective...
Empathy drives human to also makes others feels GOOD... and it can sense BAD even when it's coming from the other perspective...As such the main tenet was JUST, explained by "Do unto others what you want others do to you"... cited as 'greatest commandment' by many traditions around the globe..
Massacring the Jews/Gypsies/Slavs.. was it JUST?
What if you're Jews/Gypsies/Slavs? How would you like to be treated?Yet religious doctrine were used to suppress such sentiment... it is JUST because Jews/Gypsies/Slavs are EVIL, they're OUR ENEMY... and those who dare to disagree can be considered as AMONG OUR ENEMY, the same as Jews/Gypsies/Slavs.. They shall face an execution by the SS (Religious Police).
Based on scientific experiment, faced with fear from the authority, only less than 1% of human dare to resist their own fear and fight the EVIL coming from authoritative figure / institution. It's a (sad) and natural fact of current human state...
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this is some interesting line from you after ages.. )
The bait worked then. Wohoo.
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Man of Faith, so God created this reality to see who are better at fighting against the influences this nature/reality is summoning upon them?
So even though it is God who created it in the first place, we must fight against?
Peace
Not really so. It is more like this is an environment of development which provides a sufficient challenge to accumulate refined beings, whenever they get out if ever. The challenge is designed to be corrupting and it is commendable to make it. Shattered from the Originator (God), have to grow while under delusion. But you have a mirror soul of God albeit blank, so you can make it, as long as you understand that the body was put on Earth as a kind of contradiction, challenge. Your "jihad" is basically within yourself; the two of you, body and soul. The body is a fairly sophisticated primate while the soul has perfect potential, but the body is designed to corrupt and hold you back from growing spiritually. Your aim is to be absolutely independent from the beast in you, not weak to its calls.
God created the Earth to provide some instrumentation in order to run a project, for this place has a logical purpose beyond merely being an awe and if you see the design as marvelous this is just a demonstration of the ability of God. The world is made to be an environment for Adam, but this does not say it is not a manifestation of the imagination and creativity of God. Just look at the vast set of matter and its forms, animals with beautiful, funny and interesting designs, substances with fascinating features and all of that is created from the Nuur, which is a "God-to-humanity" term to indicate "Integrity Be Foundation" and means the invisible building stones of the universe only accessible to God with Managers (Maleikat) included and could be regarded as energy (read about Quantum Physics if you like human physics theories on our reality).
Thus, God has no problems with art and such decorations of humans as God is quite the artist Himself together with the Managers who used their creativity in forming our world. Religionists who forbid expressions of art are out on thin ice and misunderstand life. It has been proven by scientists that creating with imagination stimulates the brain and that is because it stimulates the soul with its spirit. The question instead is how you use that creativity, inventing the atomic bomb is perhaps not the most constructive expression of creativity. That is of darkness, of destruction.
A person can also use their creativity in becoming skilled artists at written language and that is what I am attempting since my destiny is relaying the lore of God in catching ways so that people understand that I am authoritative on the subject and not merely rambling. I have seen mankind needs inspirational guidance and more intricate details on what must be done for their salvation. How does it help a person to merely be believing in God and be good when they have something which prevents them from accomplishing that and are not aware of the opposition?
One relevant factor is that the body is a clear problem with its Satan which drives to Hierarchy, materialism, vanity, obsession, self-preservation, domination, promiscuity, greed, falsehood and jealousy. One must be conscious of the instinct which drives Homo sapiens and is separate from the superiority of the spirit of the soul.
Like Jesus once allegedly said "Separate the spirit from the body (flesh)", even if you do not believe it to stem from an authoritative source it is indeed an intelligent statement which is true for us.
"Know your self and you know the Origin/ator (Father)", what do you think is the point with that argument? Yes, you know the nature of God if you explore your self because a mirror of God is present within you, beyond that pile of flesh and you can be better than you may believe. Be certain, be certain (amen amen), i.e. have confidence, great confidence.
There is no point in conceiving life as "God is greater than I" as while it is true God encompasses more than you do, you have "divine" potential and God encourages your growth and is not jealous, you do not challenge Him in any way as no one can change the fact God encompasses more than you do. God is with you, like a part of you and it is who you are, if you are (if you grow into an independently existing person, a unique individual/share).
Be well
Qarael Amenuel -
You see. Everything is nature, We are part of nature. A lion doesn't ask who is He and what He needs to do with his life. A plant doesn't think should it give flowers.
That would be the basic nature. He does some abstract things. Like he usually prefers to look for his own pride. So we can ask who teaches him to do that? How he knows he needs to be a part of a new pride? I can't tell for sure about the selection process. Normally, there can be 3 lions in one pride. So we can ask why no more than 3? Strangely, the females, if separated are not easily allowed to be part of a new pride. But why? The ladies are known to hide their babies for some weeks also because of some sort of danger.From their viewpoint, therefore, we can extract good and bad
Becoming part of a pride good
Not being accepted by one bad
Hiding the kids protecting them from evilAnd what does religions and those which I would call pseudo religious teachings do? They teach go against your own nature. How strange that the One who created this place made and gave every living being in this environment it's own drives and natural part. While Humans must go against their nature?
God does say we have moral detection system built into our nature. But not only religions teach people to go against it. The thing is visible in many parts of humans' lives. Think about the term "everyone is doing it and thus it is not bad".
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In Nature everything is just IS, Nature does not Rate or Judge. Its Humans who do, putting things into categories, creating false illusions and unnatural rules etc. Living this way is so destructive to your being, it is going to make you miserable, guaranteed, because it is not natural. It is not how Nature/Reality works.
annot run from himself/herself/nature/the-real-youMe are part of nature, they are noless nature than anything else, just lkie stones. Would you say that since birds fly and stones do not fly stones are nature but birds aren't?
Do you really know ants or fleas enough to be able to judge their motives or that what you know about is complete?
you may dislike or like humans but they are just as much part of nature as everything else, stars, or winds or monkeys, or letuce.
Salaam
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Me are part of nature, they are noless nature than anything else, just lkie stones. Would you say that since birds fly and stones do not fly stones are nature but birds aren't?
Do you really know ants or fleas enough to be able to judge their motives or that what you know about is complete?
you may dislike or like humans but they are just as much part of nature as everything else, stars, or winds or monkeys, or letuce.
Salaam
Rocks are not animals. I do not state that I dislike humans or anyone in that matter. I accept everything in this reality. Because if it was no supposed to exist, it would not exist. Or are You in a position where You can judge your own Creator for anything that He created?
Im saying that Homo-Sapiens are the ONLY ( O-N-L-Y ) animal in this reality, which fight or trying to fight against their nature. They are not only ignoring their natural instincts but they are also fight their instincts ( natural calls ).
No one owns anything in this world. Because You did not create this place in the first place. All these things are humans inventions going against the nature/reality as it is created by default. Heck even your children are not created by you, nature does its job inside the uterus.
Like if some group of people saw a big tree with beautiful fruits on it, one of them goes first to the tree and tells the others that this Tree is His property now, and if anyone wants to have a bite of the apples, they need to give or do something for this man, as an exchange. This is one example how humans corrupt nature.
From the day 1, you came to this world, everything that is, is everyones. Too bad we have bunch of humans that think they know better than nature knows how things should be.
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Im saying that Homo-Sapiens are the ONLY ( O-N-L-Y ) animal in this reality, which fight or trying to fight against their nature. They are not only ignoring their natural instincts but they are also fight their instincts ( natural calls ).
Obviously thhat is their nature. You may not approve of it, or like it, but that is their nature. Only you seem to restrict nature to what you consider approvable (instincts) and not approvable (able to not follow instincts). But the fact is that that is human nature, that is nature. Deal with it.
Salaam
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Im saying that Homo-Sapiens are the ONLY ( O-N-L-Y ) animal in this reality, which fight or trying to fight against their nature. They are not only ignoring their natural instincts but they are also fight their instincts ( natural calls ).
in this statement you give the answer of your own question...
why homo-saphiens ONLY
becoz it was offered to ONLY homo-saphiens..
and when God perfected the nature of homo-saphien by giving him trust then.. the nature of awareness sparked inside human being...
exactly what human being is doing is in his nature.. what animals plants, planets are doing is in their nature..
if human being is like other creatures , you and me are not communicating with eachother... like this..
from where we get that laptop, tecnology, communication...? ? ?why dnt animals ,trees are using the same laws of universe for their benefit..
why only human being make space ships..?
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Correct. Humans are beings made with the ability to exercise free will even though many let themselves be driven by their body's instinct anyway. Most people lead their lives following those instincts which primary drive is hierarchy climbing. What makes humans able to be in control (free-willed) is their advanced soul which has a potent spiritual capability.
Human bodies require certain things like food and sleep, but we can use the free will to control consumption from our souls. We can reject sleep for many days and even let ourselves die from sleep deprivation, just as we can simply starve ourselves to death on purpose. No animal will do so which has no soul, no self-consciousness. It will act solely based on instinct (even if its behavior can be disturbed through mutation).
A human can choose to be themselves, they can be independent and not driven by anything other than themselves and their will to do something by own judgment. This is the gift of God in us. The one who is their true self and independent is far more superior to someone who is not. The independence is in the confidence (faith). Dare to do. Just do and do not be prevented by societal norms because you can set the norms yourself. But be sure not to be ruled by the alluring body and its primitive desires but aim at being totally complete. Become knowledgeable and wise and be yourself powerful mentally. And God deems that commendable, the more powerful a mind becomes the more God approves of it. You know, that is the whole purpose all along, to become Being-alike, or God-like. If you can emulate God, you show progress of self. If you think this is not your purpose but being a subdued slave, then you are on the wrong track and you will not become anyone significant but one among many. That is not much better than being an animal. So God could just have made you an animal if that was the case and you waste your potency.
You were shaped with this potential for an independent mind for a reason. It would seem illogical to make it so just in order for it to be subdued unless the God has a huge ego to satisfy. Nay, use your potential instead and evolve into something significant just like your Rabb had intended with this Earth and your soul. Rabb wills to see a being with a unique character, not just an anybody. Rabb-like soundness, being in control and wielding the powers well is commendable. The depth of your soul at any time is the measure of whenever you are qualified for salvation.
In essence, your soul is a mere unique expression of Rabb, and so basically you are in Originator and Originator in you, you cannot separate between the two. It is Oneness of existence of the Sustaining Platform/Foundation. Rabb feeds your existence of the Oneness of Being. It is not a duality but your God is One, the Being is One. You will not find the form of Allah in Quran saying Allahek (your Allah) for a reason more than grammatical problems. But you will find Rabbek or Rabbekum, that is your word of God in Arabic. Allah is a universal image on to be and that is One and you can join the Oneness.
Disclaimer The above is my opinion and the result of my own work and I neither claim nor disclaim anything with it but merely post speculation on this forum. I am a strict monotheist and so a hardcore such and I do not see myself existing beyond God, i.e. there is no creator and creation but this is a myth and staged deception to test intelligence capability of a massive amount of "expressions of God". Humans are no more than runtime variables within an operating system (God) and posses the model of God innately and can function as such. Satan can be said to be a virus attacking and the whole body sensation is a contradiction and/or challenge to our existence. But fundamentally, humans derive their soul energy off Rabb/God, i.e. it is an expression of God.
The statement on Allah has a basis and I have put down effort on this linguistically and is therefore not taken "out of thin air".
So I say I do not exist but God. My being is fed upon the being of God and I act symbiotically. But I do exist independently with God in consciousness. My mind screen or view is my own, it is me and I work hard to feed its independent consciousness.
Be well
Qarael Amenuel -
The strength of their soul, their being.
It is not someone else giving you points but you allow yourself to elevate your mind.
Or perhaps you wonder what one should be doing? The simplest to say is that one should dissociate themselves from their primate body's compulsive driving. It was said by Jesus already, 2000 years ago by "Separate the spirit from the flesh". Jesus was a truly insightful man and those words of his are authentic. What I wrote is another way of saying it. Furthermore, one should work on their confidence and willpower, confidence is the key to success and it is relevant to be confident in one's being (alternatively self-confidence).
The goal is to become totally complete. To be a Being. To be is to be being.
Be well
Qarael Amenuel