Is it Shirk to believe in Angels?
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What do you guys think of this article by Rashad Khalifa? (For clarity I don't agree with everything RK says and believe he made mistakes and I also don't reject 2 verses)
https//sites.google.com/site/evidenceofgod/quran/appendices/app10-god-s-usage-of-the-plural-tenseIt sounds like shirk and it looks like he forgot about verse 5016?
"We created the human being, and We know what his soul whispers to him. We are nearer to him than his jugular vein." -
The same is true for humans on Earth. Why create them if they had nothing they had to do by their own abilities?
Humans have a great mind to use for thinking and reflection. It is powerful.
Be well
Qarael AmenuelHuman mind is not powerful.
Can you by using your mind add an inch to your statue?
Can you by using your mind create as much as a fly? -
The land, Air, space, water and fire, are called as Boothas by our ancestors and they believed without these life is no where and its true they are the life supporting elements that shape our earth. We depend on these and earth is setup making these work in harmony, they have a supporting and protecting role for our existence, we rely on them and naturally they become objects of worship for many.
I think there is nothing wrong to believe that there lies some force behind nature similar to our soul behind our body and also our belief of an all encompassing force behind everything called Allah.
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There is a big difference between the role of GOD s creations and GOD.
You and me help /support others even if only family and friends. Does that mean we are GOD s partners?
Because GOD is the only one who provides for every creation!
Similarly other creation like Angels do their duty and help/support other creation.
As long as one believes nothing can help them or support them or provide for them or...Except the original source of life deep in their mind ,the only Ruler,King,Provider,....is GOD Alone through whatever means GOD chooses to do these..
Everything is subservient to HIm,depend on Him,GOD is the source/origin of everything that exist. The only Authority,the only GOD that sustains and runs everything. Without Him everything collapses,ceases to exist,will become nothing..
.Hence we should believe that GOD Alone creates and gives and takes and does whatever He wishes to do with all that He creates.Nothing else is partner /sharik in the creation and only GOD uses His creation how He chooses as his choice is perfect.Believing in His messengers /Angels/books... does not mean we put partners with Him,it just means we believe GOD and heed His message that says beware of serving/worshipping/idolising any of His creation including messengers,Angels...etc. The sole priority,authority is GOD Alone.
My take on it,if that makes sense.
GOD bless.
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So by your explanation I literally am God because I am as a person insignificant in existence and all that I do is actually God doing it so in all that what kind of individual am I? I do not even exist but am like a voodoo fool.
I cannot find the logic in this reasoning from tradition. It seems conjectured together by someone obsessed with making gods even if it happens to be just one.
Be well
Qarael Amenuel -
Peace Alper88, you are right and your friend is wrong. You may want to include
someone else or remove him altogether in your quest to learn Islam."The Messenger believes in what has been revealed to him from his Lord, and
so do the believers. All believe in Allah, His Angels and His Messengers."(Qur?an 2285)
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Brother MOF, I have a joke for you about "voodoo fool""
Knock Knock!
Who's there?
Voodoo.
Voodoo who?
Voodoo you think you are?GOD bless you.
Peace -
Thanks for trying to be funny, good logic.
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Brother,are you afraid to laugh?
MOF. laughter is good not only for the body but also for the soul and Spirit.Here are some more jokes for you
How do you make God laugh? Tell him your plans.
A quip from Robert Frost "Forgive, O Lord, my little jokes on Thee, and I'll forgive Thy great big joke on me."good logic Oh wise and all knowing one, take me to the realm of perfect peace.
MOF If I take you to that realm, it will no longer be peaceful.?May you be ridiculously happy!??or, if you prefer, happily ridiculously .
We also have to stay on topic ( about Angels). "Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly" .Ha ha ha.
GOD bless you.
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Human mind is not powerful.
Can you by using your mind add an inch to your statue?
Can you by using your mind create as much as a fly?To the contrary, the human mind is the only creative thing we have.
Unfortunately, the materialistic worldview only sees the brain, and not the mind.
The mind is incredibly powerful. There is no real power but the mind.
The mind is our connection to Rabb and all else.
Unfortunately though, our mind is usually polluted by attachment to matter and flesh, so we end up in misery. -
indeed human mind is very powerful ... more than what we can imagine..
by mind , we feel, discover, differentitate, solve problems.
its seems to me the "trust" is actually the ability of understanding things beyond the appearence
this mind is so powerful that sometimes challenge/dare/wish to understand what is not even programmed in mind.. i.e trying to figure out what is the nature of God...
WATER PARABLE its only mind that create ideas from which we control the pressure of water by dams... using this pressure as electricity , store that pressure for supplying water for our needs...
if somebody wish to do something the common criteria is to discover the law behind it.. long lasting wishes of human beings which seems impossible before time is exactly possible now.. with the help of using mind....
example is flying in air was a long lasting dream of humanity... but it appears to them its impossible to fly... becoz a law of gravity is there...
so understand that gravity ,, thanx to wright brother they find a law of anti-gravity... by which human being fullfills his long lasting wish...
there is nothing like discovery... its always the mind that get mature of understanding the principles of things that are already here present with us..
need is the mother of invention
understanding is the key of discovering -
Brother,are you afraid to laugh?
laugh is not a purposeful thing , so anything which have no real purpose is exempted in the dictionary of MOF
joke upon joke...
btw is it true on the day when paradise dwellers look at the people of hell they will be laughing...
i feel strange coz , they were already in a trouble why give them more pain by doing like this yay
they must complaint to nineteen angels that tell to God , people of paradise are laughing on us...and we feel it kinda mocking ..
is it really Good to laugh on someone when he already getting roast like a chicken in firepalace... rotfl
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Brother,are you afraid to laugh?
MOF. laughter is good not only for the body but also for the soul and Spirit.Here are some more jokes for you
How do you make God laugh? Tell him your plans.
A quip from Robert Frost "Forgive, O Lord, my little jokes on Thee, and I'll forgive Thy great big joke on me."good logic Oh wise and all knowing one, take me to the realm of perfect peace.
MOF If I take you to that realm, it will no longer be peaceful.?May you be ridiculously happy!??or, if you prefer, happily ridiculously .
We also have to stay on topic ( about Angels). "Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly" .Ha ha ha.
GOD bless you.
Peace.It is not that I cannot laugh, but I could not see the amusement factor in what you wrote. Therefore I thanked you for trying to be funny. I guess you laugh at different things than I.
As for humor or slight sarcasm, there is humor in Quran which I have revealed during my deciphering of it. It has made me smile at little. God says something like "Rabb does not wish anyone to grow old over this, so make the matter recognizable". That was funny in my opinion, that God says "not grow old over". It is when the context puts forth a parable to reflect upon and there is a little riddle. It is questionable whether it was intended as humor, but I think it is a humorous remark.
Be well
Qarael Amenuel -
laugh is not a purposeful thing , so anything which have no real purpose is exempted in the dictionary of MOF
joke upon joke...
btw is it true on the day when paradise dwellers look at the people of hell they will be laughing...
i feel strange coz , they were already in a trouble why give them more pain by doing like this yay
they must complaint to nineteen angels that tell to God , people of paradise are laughing on us...and we feel it kinda mocking ..
is it really Good to laugh on someone when he already getting roast like a chicken in firepalace... rotfl
Humor can serve a purpose. It can make a situation easier when faced with adversity and it can help keeping negativity away.
But it is not constructive when a person uses humor in order to ridicule and derail what another person tries to convey. Sarcasm can become the source of irritation and incitement.
It would be quite primitive to laugh at people who fail, just as it is primitive to laugh due to the sensation of revenge.
I am not a sterile robot you know. I am full of life.
Be well
Qarael Amenuel -
Brother MOF, you like riddles!
Here are few for you;
1-Who makes it, has no need of it.
Who buys it, has no use for it.
Who uses it can neither see nor feel it.
What is it?
2-What can travel around the world while staying in a corner?
3-What has a head and a tail, but no body?
4-What has an eye but can not see?
I have already been frank with you and told you my view about your views. I hope you lighten up and take my conversation with you as light hearted and friendly.
If you find it distasteful,I apologise and will stop discussing with my dear brother..
GOD bless you.
Peace. -
No worries. My interpretation of Quran is enjoining me to not sow dissension and that unity is important. I am to advise people on being and not compel them.
My explanations about the nature of existence and God is just secondary, because it is trivial and not worth arguing about, but obviously I am willing to talk about it. One's way of being is far more important than what they may become, and what I am conveying is merely like a sort of carrot and an encouragement.
The only thing I wish would get across to people is that their body is honestly an obstacle for them and it is made on here to provide a challenge to them. The challenge is to in spite of that body working against them be able to grow. The one who contemplates a little may find a reason to admit the body has a way of being a problem through its tendency for hierarchy, materialism, vanity, obsession, egotism, domination, greed, promiscuity, falsehood and jealousy. Those urges are natural for the body.
Be well
Qarael Amenuel -
Same from me brother, no worries.
The answers to the riddles
1- A coffin
2-A stamp
3-A coin
4-A needle.
GOD bless you.
Peace.